GE Exit Poll 10 pm

Brendan Bendar · 19-02-2020 05:00PM

If I could be so bold as to put forward a layman’s opinion of what happened.

1. There was a surge for change..housing ..health.... child care + saw to that.

2. SF used that and relentlessly with their running mates on the left , hammered FG and FF

3. FG and FF did not adequately champion their achievements in Brexit, employment, economy, etc.

4. SF only put up 42 candidates and failed to foresee the surge for change,

5. The surge was such that even if a Brown Bin went up for election under an SF or left banner= top of the poll.

6. Cue the result and cue scuttling around with’ Jaysus !! What are we going to do, we are the ones now in charge of the kip,we have promised the electorate the ‘divil an all’ and now we have to run the gaff.

7. Meanwhile the bullhorn brigade, the turfcutters confederation, the SDs , the mé Feiners etc are bricking themselves....’Jaysus howld on horse, I wint forward to roar and shout for potholes to be fixshed, to roar and shout about rooooril Ireland , to oppozhe everything dem lads up in Dublin proposed, an collect a huge wedge in expenses for doin nathin.

8. So that’s how we landed in this situation my friends, and unless the gimps who misread the public mood get their ducks in a row ..... don’t be blaming those who were in Govt for this situation.

Good luck with that, dig yourselves out of the hole , you plonkers

Yurt2 · 19-02-2020 05:01PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Good luck with that, dig yourselves out of the hole , you plonkers

Classic FG humility.

I'd submit you're crowd in are in the biggest hole of them all.

Brendan Bendar · 19-02-2020 05:03PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Classic FG humility.

I'd submit you're crowd in are in the biggest hole of them all.

He heh.... straight talking always makes one unpopular.

road_high · 19-02-2020 05:12PM

easypazz wrote: »

What do you want them to do, come out all guns blazing saying that even though we lost the election we want to form a government for 5 more years?

Its FF I see as being in a bind, they campaigned saying they wanted "change" but now they wont work with the other change party.

Reading the posts here, yes. It sounds very much like that’s exactly what these people want to get sf off the hook and into another term of eternal
opposition. It’s obvious there’s zero interest in governing. It’s either it’s up to FF FG or let’s have yet another election...

Loafing Oaf · 19-02-2020 05:21PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

its interesing, because ther are pro's and con's for all the parties in forming government. If I were FG, I would want to flee to the oppostion benches.

But to get there they will presumably have to turn down a request by FF to contribute to the formation of the next government, thereby almost certainly triggering another election.

And do they maintain this "We want to rebuild in opposition" line going into that election? If so, the logical corollary is to ask for as few votes as possible, to ensure their support would not be required to form a government after that election.

Yurt2 · 19-02-2020 05:21PM

road_high wrote: »

Reading the posts here, yes. It sounds very much like that’s exactly what these people want to get sf off the hook and into another term of eternal
opposition. It’s obvious there’s zero interest in governing. It’s either it’s up to FF FG or let’s have yet another election...

There's only one party doing the front running seriously trying to form a government at the moment. And let's be real, FG are simply on the run from being a junior partner to FF. It would of course be a historic humiliation, and it will be FG that will ultimately bring us back to the polls as it appears now they will frustrate a S&C, and any other combination of parties.

The choice for FG is stark, be FF's poodle/mudguard, or go back to the electorate having been scuttling around claiming they are the opposition and then trying to sell themselves to the people having spent weeks trying to hide.

What you wrote above is a spectacular inversion of reality, and doublespeak worthy of the Chinese Communist Party.

jimmycrackcorm · 19-02-2020 05:29PM

Yurt! wrote: »

There's only one party doing the front running seriously trying to form a government at the moment.

What you wrote above is a spectacular inversion of reality, and doublespeak worthy of the Chinese Communist Party.

To be seriously trying to firm a government then you need to have the numbers. SF want a left leaning one so they cannot be serious when the numbers aren't there. They keep parroting that we voted for change and they deserve to be in government, so if that's true, why is it so difficult for them?

SF have plenty in common with the CCP when it comes to how the upper echelons of the party are appointed.

Brendan Bendar · 19-02-2020 05:35PM

Yurt! wrote: »

There's only one party doing the front running seriously trying to form a government at the moment. And let's be real, FG are simply on the run from being a junior partner to FF. It would of course be a historic humiliation, and it will be FG that will ultimately bring us back to the polls as it appears now they will frustrate a S&C, and any other combination of parties.

The choice for FG is stark, be FF's poodle/mudguard, or go back to the electorate having been scuttling around claiming they are the opposition and then trying to sell themselves to the people having spent weeks trying to hide.

What you wrote above is a spectacular inversion of reality, and doublespeak worthy of the Chinese Communist Party.

Three major gaffes already by SF.

RDS... come out ye Black N Tans

Waterford.. Cullinane

Ní Riadha..... too numerous to mention.

Not a good start, one would have to suggest.

Very poor response from MLMCD.....

Welcome to Senior Hurling.

Yurt2 · 19-02-2020 05:36PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

To be seriously trying to firm a government then you need to have the numbers. SF want a left leaning one so they cannot be serious when the numbers aren't there. They keep parroting that we voted for change and they deserve to be in government, so if that's true, why is it so difficult for them?

SF have plenty in common with the CCP when it comes to how the upper echelons of the party are appointed.

We're all aware of the numbers, they've been there for the world to see since last Saturday week.

It appears you're saying SF are serious about forming a government, but can't seriously do so because of the numbers. Well, thanks for the revelation.

What's also obvious is the sticky wicket FG have landed themselves on, by going in to hiding and then wanting to control the message about being 'a strong opposition.'

There's nothing strong about what FG are doing - they probably wish they took a bigger hammering to avoid the position they are in now.

Brendan Bendar · 19-02-2020 05:43PM

Yurt! wrote: »

We're all aware of the numbers, they've been there for the world to see since last Saturday week.

It appears you're saying SF are serious about forming a government, but can't seriously do so because of the numbers. Well, thanks for the revelation.

What's also obvious is the sticky wicket FG have landed themselves on, by going in to hiding and then wanting to control the message about being 'a strong opposition.'

There's nothing strong about what FG are doing - they probably wish they took a bigger hammering to avoid the position they are in now.

He heh... you are the guys that wanted FG driven out from politics.

FG are being honest, rejected by the electorate, and have accepted the result.

Meanwhile you keep trying to deflect and sling mud......!!!

Who do you think you are kidding, compadre.

Yurt2 · 19-02-2020 05:51PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

He heh... you are the guys that wanted FG driven out from politics.

FG are being honest, rejected by the electorate, and have accepted the result.

Meanwhile you keep trying to deflect and sling mud......!!!

Who do you think you are kidding, compadre.

God help us, poor FG not coping with the rule being ran over them; after all the talk of hurling from the ditch for years. The sneer is all well and good when you have the scepter and the crown, when you're heading for the ditch yourselves and all you have left is the sneer, it starts to look a little sad.

Keep your fingers crossed that SF form a government, because if they don't, the electorate aren't finished letting you know what they think of ye.

Brendan Bendar · 19-02-2020 06:00PM

Yurt! wrote: »

God help us, poor FG not coping with the rule being ran over them; after all the talk of hurling from the ditch for years. The sneer is all well and good when you have the scepter and the crown, when you're heading for the ditch yourselves and all you have left is the sneer, it starts to look a little sad.

Keep your fingers crossed that SF form a government, because if they don't, the electorate aren't finished letting you know what they think of ye.

Have no problem at all with that....bring it on.

LuckyLloyd · 19-02-2020 06:12PM

What is the FG strategy for a second election going to be after spending the government formation period being delighted about the prospect of opposition? What’s the plan there? I assume it’s ‘well it can’t be any worse than the vote just gone’?!

Brendan Bendar · 19-02-2020 06:23PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

What is the FG strategy for a second election going to be after spending the government formation period being delighted about the prospect of opposition? What’s the plan there? I assume it’s ‘well it can’t be any worse than the vote just gone’?!

I’d say it might roughly be, the Shinners and their fellow travelers blocked every move we made in the last Govt, promised that they would solve everything........

Let them get up on stage and get on with it.

That’s what I’d do anaway.......;)

Tony EH · 19-02-2020 06:27PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I’d say it might roughly be, the Shinners and their fellow travelers blocked every move we made in the last Govt, promised that they would solve everything........

Someone else's fault again yeh?

Loafing Oaf · 19-02-2020 06:31PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

What is the FG strategy for a second election going to be after spending the government formation period being delighted about the prospect of opposition? What’s the plan there? I assume it’s ‘well it can’t be any worse than the vote just gone’?!

We want as few votes and seats as possible to ensure we won't be hindering the formation of the next government. Would bring a whole new meaning to 'negative campaigning'...

Idbatterim · 19-02-2020 06:34PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

What is the FG strategy for a second election going to be after spending the government formation period being delighted about the prospect of opposition? What’s the plan there? I assume it’s ‘well it can’t be any worse than the vote just gone’?!

I think it can be worse, I think they would lose more seats...

James Brown · 19-02-2020 06:42PM

I'm sure everyone who voted SF or SD or whomever will appreciate the attitude of FG and their flock telling them they are stupid, uneducated, lazy and so on.
What could possibly go wrong...again?

road_high · 19-02-2020 06:47PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

What is the FG strategy for a second election going to be after spending the government formation period being delighted about the prospect of opposition? What’s the plan there? I assume it’s ‘well it can’t be any worse than the vote just gone’?!

Here’s a radical idea- instead of obsessing over FG, why don’t sf actually govern and deliver all the amazing promises they ...ahem, promised? Like I said radical, for SF.
What’s obvious here and indeed from the north where they “govern” is that elections and electioneering are their sole focus and raison detre. They’ll keep going until the desired result (which for sf is opposition) rather than the heavy actual work of forming, maintaining and running a government.

road_high · 19-02-2020 06:52PM

Bowie wrote: »

I'm sure everyone who voted SF or SD or whomever will appreciate the attitude of FG and their flock telling them they are stupid, uneducated, lazy and so on.
What could possibly go wrong...again?

Why, are they suddenly going to flock back to FG or something if they form a minority govt.? Nah, it’s obvious the voters wanted change in the form of sf et al. Now would mlm please get up off her Whining arse and do what she was elected to do ?

Yurt2 · 19-02-2020 06:53PM

road_high wrote: »

elections and electioneering are their sole focus and raison detre. They’ll keep going until the desired result (which for sf is opposition) rather than the heavy actual work of forming, maintaining and running a government.

It's getting really difficult to listen to dogmatic Fine Gaelers level accusations like the above of when it's the party doing the least at the moment and seems pure delighted at the prospect of jumping up and down on the opposition benches.

It's Comical Ali stuff really.

poppers · 19-02-2020 06:58PM

road_high wrote: »

Here’s a radical idea- instead of obsessing over FG, why don’t sf actually govern and deliver all the amazing promises they ...ahem, promised? Like I said radical, for SF.
What’s obvious here and indeed from the north where they “govern” is that elections and electioneering are their sole focus and raison detre. They’ll keep going until the desired result (which for sf is opposition) rather than the heavy actual work of forming, maintaining and running a government.

I'd be far from a SF fan but this is a silly statement. What can they do if FF FG and Labour wont go into gov. Tgey would need to get support from every other td in the Dail to get gov

Brendan Bendar · 19-02-2020 07:03PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Someone else's fault again yeh?

If you keep inferring that well, hey what can one say.

You keep trying to imply that I say ‘it’s somebody else’s fault’

Fault seems to be a very important word in your lexicography.

I’m stating facts, not saying it’s anybody’s “fault”.

Now your party have trumpeted a victory for SF and change.... go ahead and deliver.

For once in that party’s existance, come out from under your slates and take responsibility.

Tony EH · 19-02-2020 07:06PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

If you keep inferring that well, hey what can one say.

You keep trying to imply that I say ‘it’s somebody else’s fault’

Fault seems to be a very important word in your lexicography.

I’m stating facts, not saying it’s anybody’s “fault”.

Now your party have trumpeted a victory for SF and change.... go ahead and deliver.

For once in that party’s existance, come out from under your slates and take responsibility.

"My" party eh?

What little you know lad.

What party do you support in Australia Brendan?

Plumbthedepths · 19-02-2020 07:12PM

I can't link the results but heard on the Matt Cooper show that 35% would vote for SF in a new election in the next several months and almost 50% want MLMD as Taoiseach. From the CB Amarach poll on Monday. That'll concentrate the minds of Leo and Michael. Game playing will stop soon even the Soc Dems called out FG's behaviour for what it is.
On a different note any finding FG's claim of humility as hilarious?

Plumbthedepths · 19-02-2020 07:13PM

Tony EH wrote: »

"My" party eh?

What little you know lad.

What party do you support in Australia Brendan?

Don't you know everyone that fails to glorify FG is a Shinner.
Is he really in Oz?

Tony EH · 19-02-2020 07:18PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Don't you know everyone that fails to glorify FG is a Shinner.

Seems to be. Even if one never voted for them. Not even the last time.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Is he really in Oz?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Loafing Oaf · 19-02-2020 07:26PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I can't link the results but heard on the Matt Cooper show that 35% would vote for SF in a new election in the next several months and almost 50% want MLMD as Taoiseach. From the CB Amarach poll on Monday. That'll concentrate the minds of Leo and Michael. Game playing will stop soon even the Soc Dems called out FG's behaviour for what it is.
On a different note any finding FG's claim of humility as hilarious?

Presume is is the one

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

New post election poll in the Irish Daily Mail:

SF 35%
FG 18%
FF 17%
Green 9%
Ind 7%
Soc Dems 5%
Labour 3%
Sol-PBP 3%
Others 4%

Plumbthedepths · 19-02-2020 07:36PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Presume is is the one

Must be it cheers. Although Matt Cooper mentioned Claire Byrne.
I said it on several forums the last thing any sitting politicians want is a another GE particularly those that scrapped over the line. Plus neither FG or FF want to have a finger pointed at them accusing them of causing another GE. A poll the at weekend in the SBP said only 1 in 6 voters wanted another GE. So if it's caused by FG or FF I don't imagine the public will reward them.

Uriel. · 19-02-2020 07:41PM

efanton wrote: »

Are you suggesting this extra admin and trouble is not worth it if you are saving half a billion a year?

I agree those tenants do exist that either refuse to pay rent or are consistently involved in anti-social behaviour, I am not denying that, but there is no possible way that the current system is going to provide enough housing to even keep a lid on the crisis. Its only going to get worse and each year half a billion is squandered in the meantime. Simply using this cohort as an excuse to do nothing is totally unacceptable.

If there is a cohort that does not respect that they are privileged to have been allocated a social home then I see no reason not to bring in legislation so that it is easier for county councils to remove them if all other approaches have failed.

On the legislative front, the reason is the left side of the house. Won't happen with the current make up of the Dáil.

I'm not sure precisely where the half a billion saving is though in reality which is my point. I don't think the saving would be anywhere near that, to say nothing of the risk profile involved. All of the public servants required to manage a scheme of the size you are taking about along with the associated pension entitlements would be interesting to see. Deeper cost benefit analysis required I think before such a direction is taken. Also need consider lost taxes, LPT and PRTB fees. Would PRTB need to be repurposed or disbanded? Probably repurposed I would say. Costs associated with that

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