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Jinglejangle69 · 19-02-2020 10:49AM

Yurt! wrote: »

He was suggesting facilitating a minority government via a S&C. Not them going into government.

The very thing FF got destroyed and slated for the last 3 years by SF supporters??

Yurt2 · 19-02-2020 10:49AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yet people here claim they should try get into government?????

I'm baffled.

No, I'm enjoying watching them squirm as they try to communicate that they're still in the game, when in fact they're togged off and in the showers already.

FrancieBrady · 19-02-2020 10:50AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I very much doubt them going back into government will gain them popularity after the kicking they got.

Not 'in government' jingle. Supporting a minority government. Huffing on the sidelines is clearly losing them more votes than they lost on the 8th Feb.

Time to arrest that somehow and thread water.

Jinglejangle69 · 19-02-2020 10:50AM

Yurt! wrote: »

No, I'm enjoying watching them squirm as they try to communicate that they're still in the game, when in fact they're togged off and in the showers already.

So leave them to it so.

Jinglejangle69 · 19-02-2020 10:51AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not 'in government' jingle. Supporting a minority government. Huffing on the sidelines is clearly losing them more votes than they lost on the 8th Feb.

Time to arrest that somehow and thread water.

Everyone is in agreement that C and S is a disaster for the country.

It doesn't work.

The people don't want that set up again.

Yurt2 · 19-02-2020 10:54AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So leave them to it so.

I don't see why people should lay off them. Them taking their ball and going home is slowing down government formation, which does more to spook the markets and Ireland's perceived stability than bogeyman talk about Venezuela ever could.

Roisin Shorthall was completely correct in her assessment of FG's position yesterday.

is_that_so · 19-02-2020 10:55AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I don't see why people should lay off them. Them taking their ball and going home is slowing down government formation, which does more to spook the markets and Ireland's perceived stability than bogeyman talk about Venezuela ever could.

Roisin Shorthall was completely correct in her assessment of FG's position yesterday.

Yet a few days previously she said that FG in a new government was not change!

Jinglejangle69 · 19-02-2020 10:58AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Yet a few days previously she said that FG in a new government was not change!

Seems SF supporters still don't get it.

FG were given the boot, yet they say FG still don't get it!!

Its bizarre contradictions, flip flopping every few mins.

Yurt2 · 19-02-2020 11:00AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Yet a few days previously she said that FG in a new government was not change!

It's not. But if there is a minority gov of the left to be formed to prevent another election, FG will have to have a role in facilitating it. Sulking in the corner, declaring themselves the leaders of the opposition is very much damaging to the national interest, something we are withered hearing from them is their number one priority.

is_that_so · 19-02-2020 11:03AM

Yurt! wrote: »

It's not. But if there is a minority gov of the left to be formed to prevent another election, FG will have to have a role in facilitating it. Sulking in the corner, declaring themselves the leaders of the opposition is very much damaging to the national interest, something we are withered hearing from them is their number one priority.

They may do but mouthing off about it to the media will not get it done. Always found that about Shortall, reasonable talent but far too many opinions to share far too often. This is a time for civil servant servant answers!

road_high · 19-02-2020 11:10AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Seems SF supporters still don't get it.

FG were given the boot, yet they say FG still don't get it!!

Its bizarre contradictions, flip flopping every few mins.

They're in a severe tizzy as they have to do somwthing (or at least pretend to, which even that is a struggle)...the "it's all FG fault" default position is looking decidely threadbare these days.

road_high · 19-02-2020 11:11AM

is_that_so wrote: »

They may do but mouthing off about it to the media will not get it done. Always found that about Shortall, reasonable talent but far too many opinions to share far too often. This is a time for civil servant servant answers!

She has very little talent. She was in government before but couldn't stand the heat of the kitchen as it was a very difficult time in government. Far beyond her limited abilities.

LuckyLloyd · 19-02-2020 11:12AM

road_high wrote: »

They're in a severe tizzy as they have to do somwthing (or at least pretend to, which even that is a struggle)...the "it's all FG fault" default position is looking decidely thredbare these days.

Hence the latest poll that has them on 35%? I’m confused.

Yurt2 · 19-02-2020 11:13AM

road_high wrote: »

They're in a severe tizzy as they have to do somwthing (or at least pretend to, which even that is a struggle)...the "it's all FG fault" default position is looking decidely thredbare these days.

The party doing the least spadework since the election has been FG, by a country mile.

If this ends up with another election, they're going to get rightly flayed by the electorate, much worse than last Saturday week. Perhaps the parliamentary party should start considering that.

Part of me wants to see them fighting an election shooting for the opposition benches for the sheer entertainment, but it's more important now that some sort of coherent administration gets formed.

road_high · 19-02-2020 11:18AM

Yurt! wrote: »

The party doing the least spadework since the election has been FG, by a country mile.

If this ends up with another election, they're going to get rightly flayed by the electorate, much worse than last Saturday week. Perhaps the parliamentary party should start considering that.

Part of me wants to see that, but it's more important now that some sort of coherent administration gets formed.

Well then so be it. I thought the voters were all hot and bothered about health/housing and this is why they voted out FG? Now it'll be (lack of)government formation they'll be "blamed for" with their 35 seats. They don't want FG but at the same time punish them for not forming a government? I'd say that's a chance they're willing to take. FG are more or less down to their core vote anyways.

JohnnyFlash · 19-02-2020 11:33AM

road_high wrote: »

Well then so be it. I thought the voters were all hot and bothered about health/housing and this is why they voted out FG? Now it'll be (lack of)government formation they'll be "blamed for" with their 35 seats. They don't want FG but at the same time punish them for not forming a government? I'd say that's a change thy're willing to take. FG are more or less down to their core vote anyways.

As I said yesterday, there’s a feeling amongst some here that FG are up to something, they don’t like it, they aren’t sure what it is exactly, but they don’t like it anyway.

Couple that with wanting them out of office before the election, and now giving them guff for not wanting to go back into government because the message failed, is a highly unusual combination.

I’m finding this forum far more enjoyable and amusing than I thought I would as a ‘FG man’ post election. I also get the feeling that some of the men (always men) so desperate for SF and change aren’t enjoying it at all!

Top class tbh.

Loafing Oaf · 19-02-2020 11:38AM

Yurt! wrote: »

The party doing the least spadework since the election has been FG, by a country mile.

If this ends up with another election, they're going to get rightly flayed by the electorate, much worse than last Saturday week. Perhaps the parliamentary party should start considering that.

Part of me wants to see them fighting an election shooting for the opposition benches for the sheer entertainment,

Surely even the least evolved among them them must know that "Vote for us to give us the opportunity to rebuild in opposition" is not a viable election platform...

Yurt2 · 19-02-2020 11:39AM

It's watching FG squirm with discomfort we're enjoying Johnny.

Their position and behaviour could not possibly defended to the electorate. And if they get their coveted position as 'the leader of the opposition' they'll have very little credibility in Leinster House as well.

There's no crafty Malcolm Tucker stuff going on in FG hq, they're fighting for the party's future. And I'll be honest, it's a good watch.

road_high · 19-02-2020 11:42AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

As I said yesterday, there’s a feeling amongst some here that FG are up to something, they don’t like it, they aren’t sure what it is exactly, but they don’t like it anyway.

Couple that with wanting them out of office before the election, and now giving them guff for not wanting to go back into government because the message failed, is a highly unusual combination.

I’m finding this forum far more enjoyable and amusing than I thought I would as a ‘FG man’ post election. I also get the feeling that some of the men (always men) so desperate for SF and change aren’t enjoying it at all!

Top class tbh.

I think you're over doing it on the Conspracy Theories. It's pretty simple. FG lost the election. Now it's up to those that "won" to form the governement- I'm struggling to see what the big mystery is here? I mean if the appetite for change is so strong and SF manifesto is so robust and credible- they should be chomping at the bit to get in. Strangely enough, they aren't...

Not really sure what the percieved gender issue has to do with anything? Bit like Mary Lou with her "mansplaining" and "old boys club" which appeal mainly to a certain lowest common denominator.

JohnnyFlash · 19-02-2020 11:43AM

Yurt! wrote: »

It's watching FG squirm with discomfort we're enjoying Johnny.

Their position and behaviour could not possibly defended to the electorate. And if they get their coveted position as 'the leader of the opposition' they'll have very little credibility in Leinster House as well.

There's no crafty Malcolm Tucker stuff going on in FG hq, they're fighting for the party's future. And I'll be honest, it's a good watch.

The opposition is a vital part of a strong democracy. FG were 9 years in office. Time for change.

Come back to me when SF, AAA/PBP, and a load of rural independents have put in 9 years.

Now it’s time to give people the change they so desperately want. That’s serious btw. Not a mixed message.

Yurt2 · 19-02-2020 11:45AM

You're illustrating my point so very well Johnny. This is barnstorming stuff from the true blue faithful.

Idbatterim · 19-02-2020 01:01PM

Yurt! wrote: »

The party doing the least spadework since the election has been FG, by a country mile.

If this ends up with another election, they're going to get rightly flayed by the electorate, much worse than last Saturday week. Perhaps the parliamentary party should start considering that.

Part of me wants to see them fighting an election shooting for the opposition benches for the sheer entertainment, but it's more important now that some sort of coherent administration gets formed.

The competent bit is a stretch , but agree with the rest of your post !

Idbatterim · 19-02-2020 01:05PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Absolutely. I’d go so far as to say the electorate wants another election based on that poll. SF could then run two candidates in most constituencies.

I think the way this farce is playing out. Sf would get another surge

road_high · 19-02-2020 04:05PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

I think the way this farce is playing out. Sf would get another surge

If they do so be it- possibly all the better as they really will have nowhere to hide. The onus for "change" (whatever that is) will be more sharply on them. Not to mention their farcical manifesto and how they go about delivering it.

BTW I fail to see the farce? SF et al. won the election on a wave of change. There are 87 of them in the Dail. The only farce is their reticence to govern. Sure why not have another few elections? Maybe best 2 out of 3? They only cost c€50 million but this is SF we are talking about- it's only (other peoples) money.

JohnnyFlash · 19-02-2020 04:12PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

I think the way this farce is playing out. Sf would get another surge

Let’s have it then.

McMurphy · 19-02-2020 04:25PM

road_high wrote: »

If they do so be it- possibly all the better as they really will have nowhere to hide. The onus for "change" (whatever that is) will be more sharply on them. Not to mention their farcical manifesto and how they go about delivering it.

BTW I fail to see the farce? SF et al. won the election on a wave of change. There are 87 of them in the Dail. The only farce is their reticence to govern. Sure why not have another few elections? Maybe best 2 out of 3? They only cost c€50 million but this is SF we are talking about- it's only (other peoples) money.

FG might get that Tans commemoration yet.

Deferred. Not cancelled after all.

efanton · 19-02-2020 04:31PM

Uriel. wrote: »

You do also need to factor in the cost of managing the social housing rents - administration, rent collection, managing delinquent tenants, repairs and maintenance, damage/criminal damage, furnishing, legal fees etc.

Then you've the crap of actually dealing with arseholes, going to court etc and suddenly the state is in the spotlight for evictions and the poor mouth stories, media hype and political nonsense etc.

Nothing is as is easy as suggesting stop HAP and funnel the funding into building, managing and landlording public housing.

Are you suggesting this extra admin and trouble is not worth it if you are saving half a billion a year?

I agree those tenants do exist that either refuse to pay rent or are consistently involved in anti-social behaviour, I am not denying that, but there is no possible way that the current system is going to provide enough housing to even keep a lid on the crisis. Its only going to get worse and each year half a billion is squandered in the meantime. Simply using this cohort as an excuse to do nothing is totally unacceptable.

If there is a cohort that does not respect that they are privileged to have been allocated a social home then I see no reason not to bring in legislation so that it is easier for county councils to remove them if all other approaches have failed.

Idbatterim · 19-02-2020 04:35PM

its interesing, because ther are pro's and con's for all the parties in forming government. If I were FG, I would want to flee to the oppostion benches. Its way easier, they likely wont lose more votes and most importantly for them, I reckon they see whats coming and dont want to do, what they didnt do, over the past few years (hence they lost seats)....

FF just want the taste of power again? SF? hard to know...

efanton · 19-02-2020 04:38PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Housing is not a money thing, it's a building thing. With a lead time of 9-12 months and more, anyone coming in now can reap whatever rewards comes out of that as evidence of the success of their own policies. There will need to be compromise, something SF will also have to face. Most of what they claim they want to do is incompatible, completely with FG and in large parts with FF. The Greens will deal but with some hard red lines.

Even if those houses built by FG were available immediately the number falls far short of what was required. FG targets were 5000 to 6000 a year and they were missing those by massive margins

FG were never interest in building social housing, they were more keen on a private sector solution and look where that has got us. Not only is there now a shortage of homes, but we have those that require social housing now competing with those that working in reasonably paid jobs wishing to rent in the private sector. Its been a spectacular own goal by FG and will take years to correct.

easypazz · 19-02-2020 04:52PM

Yurt! wrote: »

The party doing the least spadework since the election has been FG, by a country mile.

If this ends up with another election, they're going to get rightly flayed by the electorate, much worse than last Saturday week. Perhaps the parliamentary party should start considering that.

Part of me wants to see them fighting an election shooting for the opposition benches for the sheer entertainment, but it's more important now that some sort of coherent administration gets formed.

What do you want them to do, come out all guns blazing saying that even though we lost the election we want to form a government for 5 more years?

Its FF I see as being in a bind, they campaigned saying they wanted "change" but now they wont work with the other change party.

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