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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #6992
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I have made nothing up.

    Indeed it is for discussion of the virus and I will continue contributing whether you like it or not regardless of your attempt to insult other posters and backroom modding.

    What do you think about that?

    That's fine I have no problem with that. Just try to limit the usage of nutjob conspiracy theories. I'm not demanding, just asking can you please try to do that?


  • #6993
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Reported.

    There is a handy ignore button there by the way. You don't have to read any of my posts.


  • #6994
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    tuxy wrote: »

    Just admit you made it up and move on.

    I'm not defending what Kermit said but how about you move on. He said that ages ago and you won't stop bringing it up. We could have all forgotten about it by now if you could let it go. He's not the one that keeps going on about it.


  • #6995
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭1641


    gozunda wrote: »
    Regardless of any conspiracy allegations - you do know that the Virology Laboratory in Wuhan (est. 1961) is the premier lab in China for investigation of bats and the Coronavirus yes?

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/mining-coronavirus-genomes-clues-outbreak-s-origins


    And? It is no secret that China has been investigating corona viruses and particularly those harboured by bats. This is particularly since Sars. Reports indicate that their scientists have identified at least 500 new corona viruses in bats in the past 10 years - and reckon that that this is only a fraction of those present. It has long been feared that a bat corona virus transmitted to humans could lead to a pandemic and that the most likely source would be China. So, that they are investigating is only to be expected - indeed reassuring.


    The thing is this, and here I am quoting the disease ecologist Peter Daszak from your linked article, “Every time there’s an emerging disease, a new virus, the same story comes out: This is a spillover or the release of an agent or a bioengineered virus,” Daszak says. “It’s just a shame. It seems humans can’t resist controversy and these myths, yet it’s staring us right in the face. There’s this incredible diversity of viruses in wildlife and we’ve just scratched the surface. Within that diversity, there will be some that can infect people and within that group will be some that cause illness.”


  • #6996
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Well, I think this will more likely go around the world and be with us all over the next few years.

    I won't be getting paranoid about where the cases are, or the numbers. It will be around. People will die with this as people do all the time.

    I have a certain level of concern for my older friends and my parents. I constantly nag my dad in his late 70s to get the flu jab, he never does.

    I know this is worse than seasonal flu, and that's bad enough, quite a lot worse.

    I just don't think we should get jumpy when the cases start rising in Ireland or your home town or wherever.

    Be sensible, but this is not the apocalypse.

    This is not the attitude we need as a society. It is possible to contain it. We just need to be pro active about the cases that do arise here. Have a look at what South Korea and Singapore are doing. Extremely detailed maps of people infected and how they are linked etc. We need to take it as seriously as they are . Not just accept our faith type attitude.


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  • #6997
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm not defending what Kermit said but how about you move on. He said that ages ago and you won't stop bringing it up. We could have all forgotten about it by now if you could let it go. He's not the one that keeps going on about it.

    I just want the source, if the CIA have confirmed there is a bio weapons lab in China that could be the biggest news story of the year.
    This is the first time he has confirmed he has seen me ask for this important source.


  • #6998
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    tuxy wrote: »
    I just want the source, if the CIA have confirmed there is a bio weapons lab in China that could be the biggest news story of the year.

    You don't want the source because you don't believe there is a source. You've made that clear. You said yourself you just want him to admit he made it up. He said something sensationalist. Made up or not, he didn't go on about it and try to badger us all into believing it. But you won't stop bringing it up. You're trying to badger him into admitting he was lying. It is starting to look like bullying but mostly it's just getting tired at this stage.


  • #6999
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    tuxy wrote: »
    I just want the source, if the CIA have confirmed there is a bio weapons lab in China that could be the biggest news story of the year.
    This is the first time he has confirmed he has seen me ask for this important source.

    Or maybe I have just been ignoring your obsessive (and admittedly a little disturbing) quoting the same thing from me every day for the last couple of weeks.

    Time to move on tuxy.


  • #7000
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You don't want the source because you don't believe there is a source. You've made that clear. You said yourself you just want him to admit he made it up. He said something sensationalist. Made up or not, he didn't go on about it and try to badger us all into believing it.

    Actually he made the claim a number of times.


  • #7001
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,111 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    In other news - deaths ramped up again

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1229896105355292673


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  • #7002
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Or maybe I have just been ignoring your obsessive (and admittedly a little disturbing) quoting the same thing from me every day for the last couple of weeks.

    Time to move on tuxy.

    Ok, just try to refrain from making that claim about the CIA.
    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Yes. Wuhan bio weapons lab is across the river from the supposed "origin".
    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The CIA say it's the most advanced bio weapons facility in China.

    Why do you think China put such extreme measures in place so quick?


  • #7003
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    wadacrack wrote: »
    This is not the attitude we need as a society. It is possible to contain it. We just need to be pro active about the cases that do arise here. Have a look at what South Korea and Singapore are doing. Extremely detailed maps of people infected and how they are linked etc. We need to take it as seriously as they are . Not just accept our faith type attitude.

    I think we are in a stage of containment and slowing it down to give us time.

    I don't know the future, but a pandemic seems likely to some people, including me. Hope I'm wrong. Let's prepare and learn how to slow it.


  • #7004
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    1641 wrote: »
    And? It is no secret that China has been investigating corona viruses and particularly those harboured by bats. This is particularly since Sars. Reports indicate that their scientists have identified at least 500 new corona viruses in bats in the past 10 years - and reckon that that this is only a fraction of those present. It has long been feared that a bat corona virus transmitted to humans could lead to a pandemic and that the most likely source would be China. So, that they are investigating is only to be expected - indeed reassuring.
    The thing is this, and here I am quoting the disease ecologist Peter Daszak from your linked article, “Every time there’s an emerging disease, a new virus, the same story comes out: This is a spillover or the release of an agent or a bioengineered virus,” Daszak says. “It’s just a shame. It seems humans can’t resist controversy and these myths, yet it’s staring us right in the face. There’s this incredible diversity of viruses in wildlife and we’ve just scratched the surface. Within that diversity, there will be some that can infect people and within that group will be some that cause illness.”

    You missed this bit?
    "Regardless of any conspiracy allegations"
    ...


    And it was part of the discussion above. Yeah I've read the article funnily enough. And your problem with that is?


  • #7005
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    fritzelly wrote: »
    In other news - deaths ramped up again

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1229896105355292673

    The death rate is increasing a lot in recent days, it is now over 3.1% in Hubei, and 0.65% for the rest of China.
    Just a week ago it was about 2.1% in Hubei and 0.3% for the rest of China. Over 18% of patients in Hubei are also still in a serious or critical condition.


  • #7006
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,111 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    wakka12 wrote: »
    The death rate is increasing a lot in recent days, it is now over 3.1% in Hubei, and 2.7% for China overall.

    It was going down the past few days - Xi needs to get on this now


  • #7007
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    wakka12 wrote: »
    The death rate is increasing a lot in recent days, it is now over 3.1% in Hubei, and 0.65% for the rest of China.
    Just a week ago it was about 2.1% in Hubei and 0.3% for the rest of China.
    Hubei when excluding the unknowns, the confirmed 'death vs recovery' rate is roughly... 22.52297620546392%. Or 1 : 4.44

    But it's difficult to draw any conclusions when the status of most (83%) of the 60k confirmed infected in that region is still unknown. Time will tell.


  • #7008
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    there could be a million cases in China and 900K are undianosed sniffles.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #7009
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    silverharp wrote: »
    there could be a million cases in China and 900K are undianosed sniffles.

    Yup 'Sniffles' which could potentially kill 20,000 others and bring an entire country to a standstill :/


  • #7010
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    silverharp wrote: »
    there could be a million cases in China and 900K are undianosed sniffles.

    It's unlikely. CDC says 5-20% of the US population gets flu in a year.The high estimate of 20% of the population getting flu in a densely populated place like Wuhan is probably quite likely, but it's over the course of an entire year. Its only been 5 weeks since the first death from coronavirus, so its unlikely to have infected anywhere near that number in that small timeframe, especially with the harsh quarantine which has been in effect for a month makes it even more unlikely. It is likely there is a significant number of unrecorded cases though given how mild the effects appear to be in many people. But the legal obligation for Chinese citizens to attend hospital with even mild flu symptoms would make it even more unlikely there is a huge number of unrecorded cases, well as high as the 900k number you said anyway.


  • #7011
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    wakka12 wrote: »
    The death rate is increasing a lot in recent days, it is now over 3.1% in Hubei, and 0.65% for the rest of China.
    Just a week ago it was about 2.1% in Hubei and 0.3% for the rest of China. Over 18% of patients in Hubei are also still in a serious or critical condition.

    Its hard to hide all the bodies I'm guessing. God knows what happens when they unseal all those apartment blocks they've entombed people in.


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  • #7012
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Financial Times tomorrow saying Jaguar Landrover in the UK faces shutdown within weeks due to the coronavirus disruption to supplies.


  • #7013
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Non-Chinese cases today are slightly above where Chinese cases were on 23/1, death rate is 1/5th. It will be interesting to see where we are in the next 10-15 days.


  • #7014
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭1641


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Its hard to hide all the bodies I'm guessing. God knows what happens when they unseal all those apartment blocks they've entombed people in.


    Already been recycled for body parts at the secret factory there. Some were sceptical about demand but apparently they flew out.
    Bats.


  • #7015
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    tuxy wrote: »
    That's fine I have no problem with that. Just try to limit the usage of nutjob conspiracy theories. I'm not demanding, just asking can you please try to do that?
    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Reported.

    There is a handy ignore button there by the way. You don't have to read any of my posts.
    If you have a problem with a post or poster report it and leave the modding to the mods

    Now can the pair of you leave each other alone


  • #7016
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    Hmmmm, so I guess we're all still alive?


  • #7017
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,850 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Chinese film director Chang Kai and his family died from Covid-19, sad story.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/18/coronavirus-kills-chinese-film-director-family-wuhan-covid-19

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #7018
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1229745915948421120


  • #7019
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,111 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Chinese film director Chang Kai and his family died from Covid-19, sad story.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/18/coronavirus-kills-chinese-film-director-family-wuhan-covid-19

    His final words

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSgIOeMRAUI


  • #7020
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,850 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Any Doctor John Campbell videos today?

    Actually found one, I hope this wasn't posted already.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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  • #7021
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    fritzelly wrote: »
    His final words

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSgIOeMRAUI

    How can a virus that only kills 2% of those infected kill so many from the one family? I know age is a factor but that’s a lot in the one family. Seems like a statistical anomaly.


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