new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

gozunda · 18-02-2020 05:10PM

tromtipp wrote: »

I sympathise with the health authorities here - there's been a nasty virus going around in the midwest, rapid onset turning into a deep lung infection with a non-productive cough, loss of appetite and associated gut problems, persistent slightly raised temperature. Very like the Covid 19 symptoms, but not dangerous and around since mid December. If someone with this gets referred to hospital they probably have to test, even if they suspect it's just the same old same old. I'm in my seventh week of it, and a bit fed up, but I know I'm not seriously ill.

I'm sure that this as well as seasonal flu contributed to the overcrowding in UHL over the last month or so - at least if Covid 19 arrives in a few weeks time those two complications should have subsided.

Out of interest has anyone checked? UHL (and other hospitals) were overcrowded during the summer months and that now appears to be a standing situation unfortunately..

According to the Irish Times "UHL is consistently the most overcrowded hospital in the State" ..

GooglePlus · 18-02-2020 05:18PM

saabsaab wrote: »

The foot and mouth was proactive and done well. Why not now?

Maybe the Dept of Agriculture could advise the Government.

Burning suspected carriers of the coronavirus won't be an option.

ohnonotgmail · 18-02-2020 05:23PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Burning suspected carriers of the coronavirus won't be an option.

perhaps only as a last resort.

tromtipp · 18-02-2020 05:23PM

I know UHL A&E has had systemic problems for years, and basically needs at least three times the space* and four times the staff, but descriptions from friends who have been in there this winter indicate that it went far beyond even the usual stacked-like-sardines conditions into something more war-zone like.

*Impossible to control infection in there as it is, with all the trolleys touching - I did several stints in there with elderly parents in recent years, and it wasn't fun. But even worse during flu season.

tillyfilly · 18-02-2020 05:25PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

perhaps only as a last resort.

outdoor cremation could become common place

SeaBreezes · 18-02-2020 05:59PM

Warning this is NOT peer reviewed (yet) , and only based on 145 patients...

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-news!-latest-research-published-by-chinese-scientists-say-coronavirus-might-render-certain-male-patients-infertile

A latest coronavirus research by medical scientists from Nanjing Medical University and Suzhou Hospital lead by Dr Jianqing Wang, Head of the Department of Urology, at Suzhou Hospital say that certain males affected by the SARS-Cov2 coronavirus which causes the Covid-19 disease might likely become infertile even if they recover from the infection.

RebelButtMunch · 18-02-2020 06:01PM

Do we know what the quarantine situation was aboard the ship? I haven't seen any reports about how the crew was handled, or how meals/linen/supplies to the cabins were handled. All I can guess is that people were confined to cabins, which isnt much use if crew is spreading it door to door, nor of the cabins are very closely ventilated.

Jim_Hodge · 18-02-2020 06:01PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Must be an Irish thing this … My English streak is on top; plenty to do checking provisions, checking on vulnerable neighbours, etc etc Things no govt can do. Our job. More than enough to do.

That's actually quite insulting. We Irish are quite used to checking on, and being friendly with our neighbours. How many neighbours did you check on, or bring food and fuel to, during the recent storms? Several people did so in my neighbourhood.

We'll handle the covid-19 as well as any others, should the need arise.

Jim_Hodge · 18-02-2020 06:03PM

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Do we know what the quarantine situation was aboard the ship? I haven't seen any reports about how the crew was handled, or how meals/linen/supplies to the cabins were handled. All I can guess is that people were confined to cabins, which isnt much use if crew is spreading it door to door, nor of the cabins are very closely ventilated.

The crews must have been under immense pressure. Passengers with internal cabins (no windows) are allowed out of their cabins for an hour and a half each day, for exercise and fresh air after that they and the other passengers are confined to their cabins. All meals are being delivered to the cabins.

Mic 1972 · 18-02-2020 06:27PM

isn't it strange how all of a sudden no new cases are being registered in Europe? we were getting 5-6 new cases every day and then it all stopped. I hope things are not been kept from the public to avoid unnecessary worries. I'd rather know

Quantum Erasure · 18-02-2020 06:31PM

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Do we know what the quarantine situation was aboard the ship? I haven't seen any reports about how the crew was handled, or how meals/linen/supplies to the cabins were handled. All I can guess is that people were confined to cabins, which isnt much use if crew is spreading it door to door, nor of the cabins are very closely ventilated.

'Wholly inappropriate' quarantine practices may have helped spread coronavirus on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, experts say

https://www.businessinsider.com/quarantine-may-have-helped-spread-cruise-ship-coronavirus-experts-say-2020-2

RebelButtMunch · 18-02-2020 06:32PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

The crews must have been under immense pressure. Passengers with internal cabins (no windows) are allowed out of their cabins for an hour and a half each day, for exercise and fresh air after that they and the other passengers are confined to their cabins. All meals are being delivered to the cabins.

So likely that the internal cabin passengers are mingling.

Jim_Hodge · 18-02-2020 06:33PM

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

So likely that the internal cabin passengers are mingling.

Indeed, seems inevitable.

gozunda · 18-02-2020 06:36PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Being a sanctimonious pain in the arse isn't an "English streak", no more than not checking on neighbours is an Irish one.

Oddly enough I've never heard the sobriquet, being used referring to the Irish as being generally 'Whinging' ...

Mic 1972 · 18-02-2020 06:41PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Just spoke with my accountant (who is also a close friend) and he’s a very grounded man. I thought he was going to slag me for buying masks but he’s convinced China are fudging the numbers and that we aren’t being told everything.

China wouldn't surprise me, they might have done from the very start. But I'd be worried if Europe started to do the same.

laurah591 · 18-02-2020 06:42PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

China wouldn't surprise me, they might have done from the very start. But I'd be worried if Europe started to do the same.

999 cases outside China recorded now

wadacrack · 18-02-2020 06:50PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

isn't it strange how all of a sudden no new cases are being registered in Europe? we were getting 5-6 new cases every day and then it all stopped. I hope things are not been kept from the public to avoid unnecessary worries. I'd rather know

Data suggests that 30% of cases are asymptomatic(mo symptoms). I doubt all mild cases require hospital treatment either so that another 10% that are likely to be undetected.

China's numbers could be near 120,000-150,000 . Id say its likely to be higher

ardinn · 18-02-2020 06:52PM

Seen a tweet about hidden cases is galway - someones wife is a nurse dealing with it - this guy left a voicemail for a reporter explaning it - not a shred of proof either way but you would have to wonder.

hmmm · 18-02-2020 06:56PM

ardinn wrote: »

Seen a tweet about hidden cases is galway - someones wife is a nurse dealing with it - this guy left a voicemail for a reporter explaning it - not a shred of proof either way but you would have to wonder.

You don't you know, and it's not helpful to spread rumours like this. It's a small country, the whole place would know about it in about a minute.

hmmm · 18-02-2020 07:00PM

tromtipp wrote: »

Don't underestimate people's preparedness and ability to act sensibly if they're convinced of a threat and advised on their response.

We have some very good people in government, and more than that we have a relatively cohesive country - it's not like China with thousands of strangers packed into huge apartment buildings.

Everyone knows everyone - that's a bad thing usually

, but in this scenario it's a good one. When we get a case (which I'm sure we will), we have a better chance of locating most of the people who may have been affected.

I hope no matter what happens we stick together as a community, and look after our older people and those who have weakened immune systems. They're the ones most at risk and shouldn't be exposed, and for the rest of us it'll usually be a mild flu.

saabsaab · 18-02-2020 07:05PM

Saw the RTE report on the six one news. Gave the fatalities figure as .1% flu to 2.3% Covid. Went on to say that those over 80 most at risk. True but left an impression that under 80's ok. The death rate increases rapidly over 60!

wakka12 · 18-02-2020 07:06PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

isn't it strange how all of a sudden no new cases are being registered in Europe? we were getting 5-6 new cases every day and then it all stopped. I hope things are not been kept from the public to avoid unnecessary worries. I'd rather know

Well they were cropping up in known clusters, hardly any random ones with no known links like they are getting in Japan and Singapore. So i dont think its too suspicious

odyssey06 · 18-02-2020 07:07PM

hmmm wrote: »

We have some very good people in government, and more than that we have a relatively cohesive country - it's not like China with thousands of strangers packed into huge apartment buildings.

Everyone knows everyone - that's a bad thing usually , but in this scenario it's a good one. When we get a case (which I'm sure we will), we have a better chance of locating most of the people who may have been affected.

I hope no matter what happens we stick together as a community, and look after our older people and those who have weakened immune systems. They're the ones most at risk and shouldn't be exposed, and for the rest of us it'll usually be a mild flu.

What you are saying might apply to most of the country but I would say not for the Dublin City centre... it has large apartment complexs and it would be impossible to track people from a DART or LUAS carriage who shared a rush hour journey with someone infected.

saabsaab · 18-02-2020 07:08PM

ardinn wrote: »

Seen a tweet about hidden cases is galway - someones wife is a nurse dealing with it - this guy left a voicemail for a reporter explaning it - not a shred of proof either way but you would have to wonder.

I also heard that rumour about a week ago. Hopefully that's all it is. I don't think that something like that could be kept under wraps for very long.

Then again look at Hep C and the cover up.

BanditLuke · 18-02-2020 07:10PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

isn't it strange how all of a sudden no new cases are being registered in Europe? we were getting 5-6 new cases every day and then it all stopped. I hope things are not been kept from the public to avoid unnecessary worries. I'd rather know

Yeap it is strange.

cnocbui · 18-02-2020 07:17PM

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

So likely that the internal cabin passengers are mingling.

It's the crew who have been mingling, and there have been many cases of infected crew. They also prepare meals and deliver them to the cabins.

Associate Professor Ian Mackay has dismissed a theory that the disease might be spreading through the ship's ventilation system.

"Even if it was airborne, the virus particles travelling through convoluted air ducting into other rooms, it can happen, but I think it would be a minor route of transmission," he said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-14/why-do-coronavirus-cases-keep-rising-on-diamond-princess/11961166

Ficheall · 18-02-2020 07:17PM

hmmm wrote: »

You don't you know, and it's not helpful to spread rumours like this. It's a small country, the whole place would know about it in about a minute.

It could be helpful for those of us who want to take precautions when it gets here..

18-02-2020 07:18PM

[QUOTE=Mic 1972;112578710 I hope things are not been kept from the public to avoid unnecessary worries. [/QUOTE]

Yeap - I'm really worried about that!

cnocbui · 18-02-2020 07:25PM

Beijing: As a mysterious new virus enveloped central China's Wuhan early this year, Liu Zhiming mobilised all the resources of his hospital in the city's Wuchang district to deal with the thousands of sick people arriving daily, threatening to overwhelm the local health care system.
Liu Zhiming, the director of Wuchang Hospital in Wuhan.

Liu Zhiming, the director of Wuchang Hospital in Wuhan.

That dedication appears to have cost him his life, with Wuhan's health bureau announcing on Tuesday that he became infected and died despite "all-out" attempts to save him.

Liu is at least the seventh health worker to die of the COVID-19 disease among the more than 1700 doctors and nurses who have become sick. His death comes as authorities are cautiously cheering a reduction in the number of new daily cases and deaths, along with the results of a study showing most people who contracted the virus experienced only mild symptoms.

China on Tuesday reported 1886 new cases and 98 more deaths. That raised the number of deaths in mainland China to 1868 and the total number of confirmed cases to 72,436.

Japan, meanwhile, announced that 88 more cases of the virus were confirmed aboard a quarantined cruise ship, the Diamond Princess, bringing the total to 542 among the 3700 initially on board.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/coronavirus-claims-wuhan-hospital-director-japan-reports-more-cases-20200219-p54249.html

Good thing we have a health system that could cope, might be a worry otherwise.

18-02-2020 07:27PM

ardinn wrote: »

Seen a tweet about hidden cases is galway - someones wife is a nurse dealing with it - this guy left a voicemail for a reporter explaning it - not a shred of proof either way but you would have to wonder.

You're the same clown who was posting the most obviously fake bullshlt before from China and even saying you didn't really believe it "but just imagine". And now you're doing the exact same thing.

There is absolutely no need to "to wonder". It is not a requirement. It's actually a bizarre thing for one to do, but you obviously enjoy it.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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