new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

Graces7 wrote: »

There is nothing you or I can do re the govt ( although I think you missed the article on rte some weeks ago; it was very detailed indeed about emergency corona contingencies) so why waste precious breath and energy about it here? Pester your TD? Make a fuss in the right place? Nothing anyone here can do; no powers. And distracts from our reality.

Must be an Irish thing this … My English streak is on top; plenty to do checking provisions, checking on vulnerable neighbours, etc etc Things no govt can do. Our job. More than enough to do.

I respectfully disagree on all counts there.
People are the masters government should serve. Power to the people and all that if the gov is not acting in a way we agree, it is our duty to raise awareness and take the actions needed to effect change.

I was always kindof proud of how my local community look after each other. Especially during 'events' (weather usually) when people needed minding/help.
I didn't realise this was an English/irish/other nationality thing. We have a mix of nationalities here. I always thought of it as neighbourly.

Nonoperational wrote: »

So you think every case tested in Ireland was a false negative? ...

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Not sure if that was what the poster was detailing.

But anyway I reckon that the infection is most likely already in the wild. That is to say that there are those who are asymptomatic or only have very mild symptoms and that number is likley increasing. Afaik some 80% of all cases are of a mild type.

Most people are going to put being infected down to a simple cold or other infection imo. And not knowing they may have the Corona virus - they are unlikely to report to medical services and most likley wont appear on any statistics or even be known about. People will continue to travel from country to country and potentially spread the infection unknown to themselves.

What the incidence on the Cruise Ship in Japan has shown (for a given population where the infection is present) a significant proportion have been determined to be carrying the virus. This is not disimilar to the outbreak in Wuhan- which went from patient zero to endemic in approx 6-8 weeks - and significant numbers of critically Ill overwhelmingly health services.

For rapid spread - it would increasingly appear that a critical density of infection is the touchstone to a rapid widespread outbreak. Stopping that is the issue imho.

saabsaab wrote: »

The foot and mouth was proactive and done well. Why not now?

Maybe the Dept of Agriculture could advise the Government.

Perhaps its because our cloven hooved friends are less likely to panic with all the talk of a deadly disease. Hopefully the government despite not saying too much are proactively taking measures to effectively combat this.

tromtipp wrote: »

I sympathise with the health authorities here - there's been a nasty virus going around in the midwest, rapid onset turning into a deep lung infection with a non-productive cough, loss of appetite and associated gut problems, persistent slightly raised temperature. Very like the Covid 19 symptoms, but not dangerous and around since mid December. If someone with this gets referred to hospital they probably have to test, even if they suspect it's just the same old same old. I'm in my seventh week of it, and a bit fed up, but I know I'm not seriously ill.

I'm sure that this as well as seasonal flu contributed to the overcrowding in UHL over the last month or so - at least if Covid 19 arrives in a few weeks time those two complications should have subsided.

Out of interest has anyone checked? UHL (and other hospitals) were overcrowded during the summer months and that now appears to be a standing situation unfortunately..

According to the Irish Times "UHL is consistently the most overcrowded hospital in the State" ..

GooglePlus wrote: »

Burning suspected carriers of the coronavirus won't be an option.

perhaps only as a last resort.

Do we know what the quarantine situation was aboard the ship? I haven't seen any reports about how the crew was handled, or how meals/linen/supplies to the cabins were handled. All I can guess is that people were confined to cabins, which isnt much use if crew is spreading it door to door, nor of the cabins are very closely ventilated.

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Do we know what the quarantine situation was aboard the ship? I haven't seen any reports about how the crew was handled, or how meals/linen/supplies to the cabins were handled. All I can guess is that people were confined to cabins, which isnt much use if crew is spreading it door to door, nor of the cabins are very closely ventilated.

The crews must have been under immense pressure. Passengers with internal cabins (no windows) are allowed out of their cabins for an hour and a half each day, for exercise and fresh air after that they and the other passengers are confined to their cabins. All meals are being delivered to the cabins.

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Do we know what the quarantine situation was aboard the ship? I haven't seen any reports about how the crew was handled, or how meals/linen/supplies to the cabins were handled. All I can guess is that people were confined to cabins, which isnt much use if crew is spreading it door to door, nor of the cabins are very closely ventilated.

'Wholly inappropriate' quarantine practices may have helped spread coronavirus on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, experts say

https://www.businessinsider.com/quarantine-may-have-helped-spread-cruise-ship-coronavirus-experts-say-2020-2

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

So likely that the internal cabin passengers are mingling.

Indeed, seems inevitable.

Mic 1972 wrote: »

isn't it strange how all of a sudden no new cases are being registered in Europe? we were getting 5-6 new cases every day and then it all stopped. I hope things are not been kept from the public to avoid unnecessary worries. I'd rather know

Data suggests that 30% of cases are asymptomatic(mo symptoms). I doubt all mild cases require hospital treatment either so that another 10% that are likely to be undetected.

China's numbers could be near 120,000-150,000 . Id say its likely to be higher

ardinn wrote: »

Seen a tweet about hidden cases is galway - someones wife is a nurse dealing with it - this guy left a voicemail for a reporter explaning it - not a shred of proof either way but you would have to wonder.

You don't you know, and it's not helpful to spread rumours like this. It's a small country, the whole place would know about it in about a minute.

Saw the RTE report on the six one news. Gave the fatalities figure as .1% flu to 2.3% Covid. Went on to say that those over 80 most at risk. True but left an impression that under 80's ok. The death rate increases rapidly over 60!

hmmm wrote: »

We have some very good people in government, and more than that we have a relatively cohesive country - it's not like China with thousands of strangers packed into huge apartment buildings.

Everyone knows everyone - that's a bad thing usually , but in this scenario it's a good one. When we get a case (which I'm sure we will), we have a better chance of locating most of the people who may have been affected.

I hope no matter what happens we stick together as a community, and look after our older people and those who have weakened immune systems. They're the ones most at risk and shouldn't be exposed, and for the rest of us it'll usually be a mild flu.

What you are saying might apply to most of the country but I would say not for the Dublin City centre... it has large apartment complexs and it would be impossible to track people from a DART or LUAS carriage who shared a rush hour journey with someone infected.