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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    I would imagine it's here already.. The tests are not accurate.

    We have people in limerick, dublin and cork hospitals who have tested negative, but I assume have the symptoms as they were suspected cases. I guess they are suspect due to recent geographic location. Otherwise why think it's Coronavirus?

    I also assume that's why the Chinese lumped suspected cases in with actual cases, and a clinical diagnoses is enough.

    So you think every case tested in Ireland was a false negative?

    Physicians have been receiving regular emails with updates and just today amendments to the protocol for suspected cases. There are regular tutorials re personal protective equipment. Masks and suits are readily available. There have been numerous suspected cases. None have been confirmed. They are all being treated as are the thousands of other sick people cared for every day.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    timmyntc wrote: »
    SARS wasn't pandemic, it had low infection rates and was restricted to China/SEA.

    nCov is much more infectious - the danger with something that spreads this easily and incubates for so long is that if it becomes widespread it could be very difficult to ever get rid of.
    Basically it could become a new, more lethal flu-like illness in that it's always spreading & mutating.

    SARS was a pandemic.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3329048/

    It was reported in 29 countries.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    cnocbui wrote: »
    To give you some perspective, 50% of Europe's population died due to the Black Death. That would be 370 million people in today's numbers. Keeping a close eye on a developing situation involving a new pandemic pathogen isn't panicking or foolish. There is far more panicking and foolishness going on regarding 'climate change' and no one has even died.

    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    gozunda wrote: »
    Taking a look at government communications to date and the state emergency website - there's fuk all being done apparently. I would love that to be proven otherwise tbh

    The HSE is currently log jamed with significant waiting lists for beds in all the major hospitals. Not a chance in hell there is available capacity or resouces for any type of an emergency in the present system

    Btw I'm not comparing anything to food rationing - that was a response to this


    The point is the state took some fairly effective hands on controls at a national level during the 'last war' you mentioned. - It's not possible for the individual to make national provision but rather I'd hope the relevant authorities are up for taking the finger out

    But yes agreed people can do stuff to help themselves - though that doesnt mean those in charge shouldn't be at least doing some half decent contingency planning for this or even similar events.

    There is nothing you or I can do re the govt ( although I think you missed the article on rte some weeks ago; it was very detailed indeed about emergency corona contingencies) so why waste precious breath and energy about it here? Pester your TD? Make a fuss in the right place? Nothing anyone here can do; no powers. And distracts from our reality.

    Must be an Irish thing this … My English streak is on top; plenty to do checking provisions, checking on vulnerable neighbours, etc etc Things no govt can do. Our job. More than enough to do.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    and if we had 26 million cases of this virus we would have a conservative estimate of 100,000 deaths. just some more perspective.

    Yeah and if my auntie had balls she would be my uncle.

    The point is that very few if any people in Ireland will die from this new corona virus.


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  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As far as prep goes I've spent less than 50 quid to stock up on noodles, tinned meat, tinned fruit and some frozen stuff. All stuff I'll eat anyway but I can stay indoors for a couple of weeks at any point. It's not hard or expensive to be somewhat prepared for the unforeseen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Two Irish have tested positive over in Japan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,280 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Yeah and if my auntie had balls she would be my uncle.

    The point is that very few if any people in Ireland will dies from this new corona virus.

    I love how confidant you are about all this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Yeah and if my auntie had balls she would be my uncle.

    The point is that very few if any people in Ireland will die from this new corona virus.

    How do you know?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    pc7 wrote: »
    It really is morally wrong to keep them on it with such a spread occurring.
    This seems to be sinking in: Health experts question coronavirus quarantine measures on cruise ship

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/18/global-health-experts-question-cruise-ship-coronavirus-quarantine-measures?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Two Irish have tested positive over in Japan.

    They’re Irish citizens but they live elsewhere in Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    splinter65 wrote: »
    They’re Irish citizens but they live elsewhere in Europe.

    Cork?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,158 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Cork?

    "The department says that the two people share dual citizenship with another EU member state and are not normally resident in Ireland.
    "


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Yeah and if my auntie had balls she would be my uncle.

    The point is that very few if any people in Ireland will die from this new corona virus.

    Ypu dont know that, the threat is definitely their that this could lead many deaths in this country. Singapore seem to be doing a great job atm, certainly are taking it very seriously and I hope we follow similar protocols


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    "The department says that the two people share dual citizenship with another EU member state and are not normally resident in Ireland.
    "

    I wasn’t being serious, think they have dual German and Irish citizenships.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202002/18/WS5e4b7c03a31012821727864d.html

    This guy was director of hospital, this was flagged on Twitter yesterday and then revoked and he was said to be alive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    So you think every case tested in Ireland was a false negative?

    Physicians have been receiving regular emails with updates and just today amendments to the protocol for suspected cases. There are regular tutorials re personal protective equipment. Masks and suits are readily available. There have been numerous suspected cases. None have been confirmed. They are all being treated as are the thousands of other sick people cared for every day.

    I don't think anything of the sort, I didn't say that at all.


    I think the tests have proved very unreliable.
    I think our excellent health care staff have people with suspected COVID19 tested for very valid reasons. This has happened in limerick, dublin and cork hospitals.
    I think a clinical diagnosis maybe the closest you can get to an official diagnosis until the test accuracy improves.
    I think it may take time but some of them will test positive eventually..

    Do you not agree?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Graces7 wrote: »
    There is nothing you or I can do re the govt ( although I think you missed the article on rte some weeks ago; it was very detailed indeed about emergency corona contingencies) so why waste precious breath and energy about it here? Pester your TD? Make a fuss in the right place? Nothing anyone here can do; no powers. And distracts from our reality. Must be an Irish thing this … My English streak is on top; plenty to do checking provisions, checking on vulnerable neighbours, etc etc Things no govt can do. Our job. More than enough to do.

    That clearly wasnt the point was it. This is a discussion and yes It is evident that the state have little if any communication or apparent contingency planning in place and the HSE is certainly not well placed to handle such a crisis considering the state of the healthcare system at present. Those are the facts.

    But yeah bleedin Irish people are incapable of figuring the basics of having a few provisions and checking their neighbours! Thanks for that :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Two Irish have tested positive over in Japan.

    From the Independent
    Independent.ie has learned that two out of six Irish citizens on board the Princess Diamond Cruise Ship, which is currently docked off Yokahama, Japan, have tested positive for COVID-19.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/two-irish-citizens-diagnosed-with-coronavirus-on-cruise-ship-38968278.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 268 ✭✭tromtipp


    The only nation wide health emergency we've had in recent years wasn't human, it was the Foot and Mouth outbreak in 2001. There was a pretty good co-ordinated response to that, with national govenment, local authorities, business and communities working together to cancel events, set up disinfectant barriers (possibly ineffective at disease control, but good at awareness raising), have a national voluntary close down on walking in the countryside, and so on. It was the first time we saw a lot of Northern Irish Unionists hold up RoI actions as a good example in contrast to the UK government. Don't underestimate people's preparedness and ability to act sensibly if they're convinced of a threat and advised on their response.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    I don't think anything of the sort, I didn't say that at all.


    I think the tests have proved very unreliable.
    I think our excellent health care staff have people with suspected COVID19 tested for very valid reasons. This has happened in limerick, dublin and cork hospitals.
    I think a clinical diagnosis maybe the closest you can get to an official diagnosis until the test accuracy improves.
    I think it may take time but some of them will test positive eventually..

    Do you not agree?

    This time last year I was heading to Iceland. I had a cough (similar of which I have now) at the time and was advised to get a scan in A&E only if I was concerned because of my holidays(doctors didnt think it was serious). I got the scan because it was going on for weeks and I didnt want to be taking any risks in Iceland if I had anything more serious.

    A&E looked at scan and said its all grand . . Great, went off to Iceland, had a great time and thought nothing of it. A week or so later I get a call from the hospital who must of reviewed my scan to say they spotted something on the scan (no indication of what) and they asked me to come back in. I went back into the hospital and nobody would tell me anything, suppose they couldnt say for certain what was going on.

    They did another scan and eventually told me it looks like I had Pneumonia (after doctors and hospital told me it was nothing) but now it was gone. I didn't make a song and dance about it. But what that shows is how mistakes can happen even in a non crisis event. It also suggested to me that even when the authorities (doctors and hospital) are telling you its all grand, sometimes you instinct means its worth pursuing answers if you dont feel its right. I was convinced by the authorities that I was making too much out of it. Again, I am not angry with them as it was not intentional, but again it shows that sometimes the authorities get things wrong.

    With regards to the testing of this illness, does anybody have any definitive evidence of how accurate these testing procedures are in Ireland ? You see different stats thrown about in terms of how much we know how to tell the difference between this virus and others. What about people who have shown no symptoms, have they been tested ? How would we know who to test ?

    I am not overly concerned, I just find these questions really interesting. I know it worries some people to even think about it, but you never see answers to these questions. So we get something like "70 people have been tested negative in Ireland" with no indication of the test or its reliability and people think that means its not here. I was tested for Pneumonia last year and even though they know about what to look out for, they still struggled to diagnose it. Is it that simple to spot the coronavirus in comparison to pneumonia ? (I ask these questions out of interest)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui



    Some experts! I said they should get them off the ship, 8 days ago: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112502127&postcount=4331


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 268 ✭✭tromtipp


    And in that same year, in the wake of 9:11, when no-one knew what was really going on, response protocols for possible threats including anthrax attacks were put in place quickly - not needed so far, but there and able to be revived. The State existed in a state of emergency for decades before the peace process in the late 80s and 90s - there's still a corporate memory of planning for disasters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    The foot and mouth was proactive and done well. Why not now?

    Maybe the Dept of Agriculture could advise the Government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Graces7 wrote: »
    There is nothing you or I can do re the govt ( although I think you missed the article on rte some weeks ago; it was very detailed indeed about emergency corona contingencies) so why waste precious breath and energy about it here? Pester your TD? Make a fuss in the right place? Nothing anyone here can do; no powers. And distracts from our reality.

    Must be an Irish thing this … My English streak is on top; plenty to do checking provisions, checking on vulnerable neighbours, etc etc Things no govt can do. Our job. More than enough to do.

    I respectfully disagree on all counts there.
    People are the masters government should serve. Power to the people and all that if the gov is not acting in a way we agree, it is our duty to raise awareness and take the actions needed to effect change.

    I was always kindof proud of how my local community look after each other. Especially during 'events' (weather usually) when people needed minding/help.
    I didn't realise this was an English/irish/other nationality thing. We have a mix of nationalities here. I always thought of it as neighbourly.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Must be an Irish thing this … My English streak is on top;
    Being a sanctimonious pain in the arse isn't an "English streak", no more than not checking on neighbours is an Irish one.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    So you think every case tested in Ireland was a false negative? ...

    .

    Not sure if that was what the poster was detailing.

    But anyway I reckon that the infection is most likely already in the wild. That is to say that there are those who are asymptomatic or only have very mild symptoms and that number is likley increasing. Afaik some 80% of all cases are of a mild type.

    Most people are going to put being infected down to a simple cold or other infection imo. And not knowing they may have the Corona virus - they are unlikely to report to medical services and most likley wont appear on any statistics or even be known about. People will continue to travel from country to country and potentially spread the infection unknown to themselves.

    What the incidence on the Cruise Ship in Japan has shown (for a given population where the infection is present) a significant proportion have been determined to be carrying the virus. This is not disimilar to the outbreak in Wuhan- which went from patient zero to endemic in approx 6-8 weeks - and significant numbers of critically Ill overwhelmingly health services.

    For rapid spread - it would increasingly appear that a critical density of infection is the touchstone to a rapid widespread outbreak. Stopping that is the issue imho.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,564 ✭✭✭tara73



    I would bet my house on it it was the air con spreading it to every room. How the responsible people thought it's a good idea to quarantine the people on the ship with the aircon on was beyond me from the beginning..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭PhantomHat


    saabsaab wrote: »
    The foot and mouth was proactive and done well. Why not now?

    Maybe the Dept of Agriculture could advise the Government.

    Perhaps its because our cloven hooved friends are less likely to panic with all the talk of a deadly disease. Hopefully the government despite not saying too much are proactively taking measures to effectively combat this.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 268 ✭✭tromtipp


    I sympathise with the health authorities here - there's been a nasty virus going around in the midwest, rapid onset turning into a deep lung infection with a non-productive cough, loss of appetite and associated gut problems, persistent slightly raised temperature. Very like the Covid 19 symptoms, but not dangerous and around since mid December. If someone with this gets referred to hospital they probably have to test, even if they suspect it's just the same old same old. I'm in my seventh week of it, and a bit fed up, but I know I'm not seriously ill.

    I'm sure that this as well as seasonal flu contributed to the overcrowding in UHL over the last month or so - at least if Covid 19 arrives in a few weeks time those two complications should have subsided.


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