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Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

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    #5672
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users Posts: 5,961 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Hope there are some changes. Not a lot. 4 at the most across the 23. The best teams are constantly evolving and changing and improving. Gone are the days (hopefully) of the same line up being trotted out just because they won the last game they played.


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    #5673
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    arsebiscuits1 wrote: »
    Just in case people want to skip over a few pages....

    ionadnapokot is being a little bit sensitive over what Keith Earls said and is unquestionably reading far too much into a 2 paragraph quote

    This is a bit presumptuous of you!
    Down with that sort of thing!

    I think Earls is showing a distinct lack of respect to Joe and the environment they were both a part of.
    It was grand for the Grand Slam etc


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    #5674
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Former Former wrote: »
    Oh right. Yes, agreed. It will be interesting to see if the result and performance against Wales changes the narrative.

    Ireland only won one Triple Crown under Joe.
    Massive chance for AF to create some history on Sunday.
    I think Ireland will win and expect no changes from the Wales XV.
    It can only benefit Ireland to have the knowledge that he and Catts would have on May, Mako, Lawes, Youngs and his son!


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    #5675
    aloooof
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,225 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    ionadnapokot wrote: »
    Ireland only won one Triple Crown under Joe.

    Hadn't realised this at all til I read this.


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    #5676
    [Deleted User]
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    Eddie O'Sullivan is three times the coach Schmidt ever was with three times as many triple crowns.


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    #5677
    bilston
    Registered Users Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    The Triple Crown isn't the be all and end all by any means, but my attitude is that historically we have won less than the other home Nations and France, so win as much as you can while you can, because before you know it you'll be 20 years without a Triple Crown and you'll be desperate for one. I think the '04 Triple Crown was the first one in 19 years.

    That said I grew up in the 80s and 90s so my thought process is no doubt shapes by those barren years. Younger posters maybe don't have the same fear of the bad old days and therefore don't appreciate the Triple Crown just as much as I do.

    That said I'd take no Triple Crown and winning the title over a Triple Crown and finishing 2nd!!


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    #5678
    Shefwedfan
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Eddie O'Sullivan is three times the coach Schmidt ever was with three times as many triple crowns.

    How many 6 nations should Eddie have won is the question?

    Not having a pop at Eddie and think he done a great job but really with that team he should of won at least 1 if not more


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    #5679
    AbusesToilets
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    How many 6 nations should Eddie have won is the question?

    Eddie's teams played in an era when France weren't ****, along with decent to great Wales and English ones. Definitely underperformed, but no shame in it either.


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    #5680
    Shefwedfan
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Eddie's teams played in an era when France weren't ****, along with decent to great Wales and English ones. Definitely underperformed, but no shame in it either.

    England after the WC went down very rapidly, Eddie had a Wales team before Gatland took over and it was s**t....

    France where nothing special and we should have won more often, a couple of 6 nations got left behind, ask the players

    Again I think we need to review all the coach’s the same, Eddie done a great job to move Ireland forward. I still
    Thinks it’s a pity he didn’t find another job in Ireland, listening to ROG other day on podcast going on about his great tactics....


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    #5681
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    We should have won in 2007, beyond that we were second best to some really good English, Welsh and French teams.

    Eddie did a fine job right up until the 07 RWC.


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    #5682
    AbusesToilets
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    England after the WC went down very rapidly, Eddie had a Wales team before Gatland took over and it was s**t....

    France where nothing special and we should have won more often, a couple of 6 nations got left behind, ask the players

    Again I think we need to review all the coach’s the same, Eddie done a great job to move Ireland forward. I still
    Thinks it’s a pity he didn’t find another job in Ireland, listening to ROG other day on podcast going on about his great tactics....

    Wales , England and France won multiple GS and championships, as well as reaching WC finals and semis during his tenure. Bit unfair to diminish that. Joe only really had to contend with Wales and at the end, Jones' England as serious competition for the tournament.


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    #5683
    lawrencesummers
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    If Doris starts then POM won’t and Toner could well start.

    England won’t give us the same easy ride in the lineout that wales did by not contesting on our throw.

    England for all their talk about physicality are still missing Big billy and that makes a huge difference. Farrell isn’t playing well either and their debutant at FB is a weak link.


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    #5684
    Shefwedfan
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Wales , England and France won multiple GS and championships, as well as reaching WC finals and semis during his tenure. Bit unfair to diminish that. Joe only really had to contend with Wales and at the end, Jones' England as serious competition for the tournament.


    :p


    Lancaster England we just dismiss?


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    #5685
    Lord Fairlord
    Closed Accounts Posts: 180 ✭✭Lord Fairlord


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    If Doris starts then POM won’t and Toner could well start.

    England won’t give us the same easy ride in the lineout that wales did by not contesting on our throw.

    England for all their talk about physicality are still missing Big billy and that makes a huge difference. Farrell isn’t playing well either and their debutant at FB is a weak link.

    Them missing Billy V is certainly a loss for them. We have a decent chance of winning IMO but if we do I don't think that it'll be by much.


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    #5686
    lawrencesummers
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    Lord Fairlord wrote: »
    Them missing Billy V is certainly a loss for them. We have a decent chance of winning IMO but if we do I don't think that it'll be by much.

    Going by our last performance against them where we were completely man shamed we haven’t a hope, but our performances have improved since the WC while theirs have worsened, we have a stronger team and they have a weaker one.

    A lot will come down to the team selection. The benches will play a big part, but unfortunately I think the story of the game is going to be the fool who has been given the whistle for this one. He often has far to much of an impact on games.


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    #5688
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    bilston wrote: »
    The Triple Crown isn't the be all and end all by any means, but my attitude is that historically we have won less than the other home Nations and France, so win as much as you can while you can, because before you know it you'll be 20 years without a Triple Crown and you'll be desperate for one. I think the '04 Triple Crown was the first one in 19 years.

    That said I grew up in the 80s and 90s so my thought process is no doubt shapes by those barren years. Younger posters maybe don't have the same fear of the bad old days and therefore don't appreciate the Triple Crown just as much as I do.

    That said I'd take no Triple Crown and winning the title over a Triple Crown and finishing 2nd!!

    Keith Wood never won a Triple Crown. Isn't that mad?
    ......mad cow 2001 is the one that got away.

    & Wood and every other Irishman would gladly forsake a triple crown for a championship!

    This is my first real clear memory of Irish rugby. Wooden Spoon deciders v Wales. & been overjoyed at winning a game. any game!



    i thought Brian Smith was the greatest player ever that spring


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    #5689
    kilns
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    I think POM will start on Sunday with Doris on the bench but I hate stuff like what Wood comes up with on Off The Ball, forget POMs stats and if he is not playing great, he is important because he the emotional heartbeat of the team :rolleyes:


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    #5690
    prawnsambo
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    ionadnapokot wrote: »
    Keith Wood never won a Triple Crown. Isn't that mad?
    ......mad cow 2001 is the one that got away.

    & Wood and every other Irishman would gladly forsake a triple crown for a championship!

    This is my first real clear memory of Irish rugby. Wooden Spoon deciders v Wales. & been overjoyed at winning a game. any game!

    i thought Brian Smith was the greatest player ever that spring
    Yeah. People forget how bad we were. I used to go to 5/6N games; not in the hopes that we'd win (we just weren't good enough), but to admire how well the opposition played.


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    #5691
    shootermacg
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    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Yeah. People forget how bad we were. I used to go to 5/6N games; not in the hopes that we'd win (we just weren't good enough), but to admire how well the opposition played.

    We need to be ready for a dogfight. The English know they can get at us by playing a direct and physical pressure game. They're missing their best player in Billy V, but are at home. They will be confident of pressuring the 10, 12 channel.

    The big difference this time around is that Sexton as captain will break himself before letting anyone through.

    Is Henshaw available? He'll be needed.


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    #5692
    arsebiscuits1
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Hope there are some changes. Not a lot. 4 at the most across the 23. The best teams are constantly evolving and changing and improving. Gone are the days (hopefully) of the same line up being trotted out just because they won the last game they played.

    What 4 changes would you make?

    Might be an argument for Killer for Healy but I think Sinckler would have an absolute field day with him.

    Herring has been excellent I thought.

    Might be a case for Toner starting. But Hendy has been very effective.

    Doris coming in would be a likely one.

    Other than that it's as you were. Murray justified his selection IMO and so did the rest of the back line


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    #5693
    sydthebeat
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    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Yeah. People forget how bad we were. I used to go to 5/6N games; not in the hopes that we'd win (we just weren't good enough), but to admire how well the opposition played.

    yeah, some younger fans out there might not know that we never beat Scotland in the 1990s... never, not once.

    There was actually a 12 year period between irish victories in 1988 and 2000.
    we beat england twice in 14 attempts in that period

    we couldnt beat France in 17 years between 1983 and 2000 !
    Played 17, drew 1

    wales was the only team that we would be in any way hopefully against during the 90s, where we won more than we lost.


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    #5694
    salmocab
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    yeah, some younger fans out there might not know that we never beat Scotland in the 1990s... never, not once.

    There was actually a 12 year period between irish victories in 1988 and 2000.
    we beat england twice in 14 attempts in that period

    we couldnt beat France in 17 years between 1983 and 2000 !
    Played 17, drew 1

    wales was the only team that we would be in any way hopefully against during the 90s, where we won more than we lost.

    My dad worked as a waiter in the Berkeley court for a some of that period and a bit earlier and used to do the team meals, he would always get a menu and a match program signed by both sets of players. All lost now annoyingly but I remember one program from an Ireland wales match had a cartoon drawing of an Irish and Welsh fan at the bar and the Irish lad is saying ‘so I says Pierre they don’t actually give you a wooden spoon’. That summed up the late 80s early 90s I think.


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    #5695
    aloooof
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    we couldnt beat France in 17 years between 1983 and 2000 !
    Played 17, drew 1

    That form against France continued into the 2000's as well, I remember posting this awhile back:
    2011 was our last home loss to France, which made it 8 losses from the previous 9 tests (the 2009 GS being the exception). We then had the 2 drawn games and we've since gone on to win 6 of the last 7.

    Ireland have obviously been on a general upward curve in that time while simultaneously, France have disimproved, but I often think the 2 drawn games did a lot for the players psychologically, as France had a hold over us for so long.


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    #5696
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,068 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    yeah, some younger fans out there might not know that we never beat Scotland in the 1990s... never, not once.

    There was actually a 12 year period between irish victories in 1988 and 2000.
    we beat england twice in 14 attempts in that period

    we couldnt beat France in 17 years between 1983 and 2000 !
    Played 17, drew 1

    wales was the only team that we would be in any way hopefully against during the 90s, where we won more than we lost.
    And when we beat France in Paris in 2000, it was the first time in 28 years. We've only done it twice since then; In 2014 and again in 2018.


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    #5697
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,326 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Yeah. People forget how bad we were. I used to go to 5/6N games; not in the hopes that we'd win (we just weren't good enough), but to admire how well the opposition played.

    I remember being so delighted when Italy came in to form the Six Nations because we might not be whipping boys any more.


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    #5698
    Interested Observer
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    England after the WC went down very rapidly, Eddie had a Wales team before Gatland took over and it was s**t....

    France where nothing special and we should have won more often, a couple of 6 nations got left behind, ask the players

    Wales won a Slam in 2005 and 2008 which overlapped with EOS. Yeah really ****.

    France won a heap of titles while he was coach too. We had a horrendous record in Paris.


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    #5699
    corny
    Registered Users Posts: 7,753 ✭✭✭corny


    France had a super team back then. If memory serves we a left a few games behind us due to bad starts against them. Always felt EOS got the team a little too wound up in the dressing room. A more measured approach might have worked better.


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    #5700
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,731 ✭✭✭✭phog


    aloooof wrote: »
    Changed from the Tuesday? I wonder how people will read too much into that.

    Probably because some of the IRFU heads would have been at Garret Fitzgerald's funeral yesterday


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    #5701
    Interested Observer
    Registered Users Posts: 13,021 ✭✭✭✭Interested Observer


    The game is also on Sunday so don't know if that would change their prep at all.


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