What have we come to

Another 4/5 years of FFG so.
Another lot of homeless people dying in tents along the canals and in public parks while banks who make millions and received a public bailout don’t pay any tax.
Grannies on trolleys in the most over crowded health system we have ever had.
Kids living in hotel rooms.

And people are happy for this to happen.

A few of the childish keyboard warriors on here need to realize they have the most to gain by housing becoming affordable, when they hit 40 the desire to move out of mommy’s basement might be a possibility.

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Another 4/5 years of FFG so.
Another lot of homeless people dying in tents along the canals and in public parks while banks who make millions and received a public bailout don’t pay any tax.
Grannies on trolleys in the most over crowded health system we have ever had.
Kids living in hotel rooms.

And people are happy for this to happen.

A few of the childish keyboard warriors on here need to realize they have the most to gain by housing becoming affordable, when they hit 40 the desire to move out of mommy’s basement might be a possibility.

More of the usual trite hackneyed rhetoric which is now stale and tiresome.

Usual irrelevant sound bites, and statements which are not true.

SF have been shown up as ‘paper tigers’ all mouth and no will to try to take power.

The rest of the so called ‘left’ much more interested in shouting from the opposition benches whilst trousering huge wedges whilst taking no responsibility.

Reality check needed....Fg will not be kicking boys for these tools any longer.

I've worked in health for many years now. The notion that SF, or indeed anybody else, can make any sort of discernible difference in a short timeframe is so completely out of touch it's crazy. It will take 10 years of joined up thinking to even start to make any change. 1000 extra consultants? From where? We badly need a broadly agreed plan like Slaintecare that is signed up to by all and makes a proper 10 year plan.

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

More of the usual trite hackneyed rhetoric which is now stale and tiresome.

Usual irrelevant sound bites, and statements which are not true.

SF have been shown up as ‘paper tigers’ all mouth and no will to try to take power.

The rest of the so called ‘left’ much more interested in shouting from the opposition benches whilst trousering huge wedges whilst taking no responsibility.

Reality check needed....Fg will not be kicking boys for these tools any longer.

It’s an interesting “reality” you live in.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I see you read the SF propaganda , I would welcome any party who has a solid plan to resolve these problems but that ain’t SF, the manifesto is just a load of numbers fired down to sound good but no way to pay for them

FG has also started building houses and I ain’t a fan of FG, you seem to think that SF can suddenly magic up land and builders, then we will have loads of free houses to hand to people. You do realize lots of people in Dublin in temp accommodation have been offered house etc but they turn down because they want it in a specific area in the city....building 20,000 houses in the wrong area and 19000 will stay empty

As I have said I want to see SF come into power because they can show exactly what they are....based on an educated guess it will be a disaster but I doubt they will go into power, Mary Lou and the rest are running away and pointing finger at everyone else....that’s the SF I know

PS if your living in your parents till 40 then it doesn’t matter who takes over that ain’t going to change.....

FG aren’t building any houses.

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Another 4/5 years of FFG so.
Another lot of homeless people dying in tents along the canals and in public parks while banks who make millions and received a public bailout don’t pay any tax.
Grannies on trolleys in the most over crowded health system we have ever had.
Kids living in hotel rooms.

And people are happy for this to happen.

A few of the childish keyboard warriors on here need to realize they have the most to gain by housing becoming affordable, when they hit 40 the desire to move out of mommy’s basement might be a possibility.

87 seats to resolve all those...oh wait they couldn’t be arsed. Rather than dance with ten year olds. Than form a government.
You’d swear The whinger brigade almost want another 5 years of FG. Why would that be I wonder?

SF and PBP/Solidarity/labour/SOC Dems are all too far apart on key issues to form a government.

SF states in the manifesto they want corporation tax to remain at 12.5%. PBP would raise that through to roof.

SF states they want tax cuts,while labour is prioritising spending increases rather than tax cuts.

They are just two issues which make a government of the left not sustainable. That's without the Parish Pump independents wanting a hospital, secondary school and motorways in every small village they represent.

Both FF and FG have stated before the election they would not go into government with SF. That needs to be respected too. As over 40% of the electorate could have voted that way to stop SF led government.

The grand coalition idea is practically the only one that could work but both FF and FG would have to swing left on some policies to survive the next election and that is where the fear is.

Does anybody want to govern with the current numbers ? I don't think so. All three major parities would love to govern but with more seats then they currently have.

Another election withing 6 months is inevitable at this stage I feel.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Seems that is what everyone wants to be...in opposition and whinging.

Well sf would know. They’ve never been anything else. Even when they ”win” elections. An utter pack of jokers

Idbatterim wrote: »

this is bull****, its all about choices! want to cut pension age down to 65? no problem, dont increase the weekly pension by E25 over the next 5 years as proposed by FFG. So increasing the current rate is sustainable and good practice, but freezing it and brining it back down 65 isnt?

Whats the cost difference?


Reducing to 65 will cost €368M a year (Note that FF costed the same thing to twice that)

piplip87 wrote: »

SF and PBP/Solidarity/labour/SOC Dems are all too far apart on key issues to form a government.

SF states in the manifesto they want corporation tax to remain at 12.5%. PBP would raise that through to roof.

SF states they want tax cuts,while labour is prioritising spending increases rather than tax cuts.

They are just two issues which make a government of the left not sustainable. That's without the Parish Pump independents wanting a hospital, secondary school and motorways in every small village they represent.

Both FF and FG have stated before the election they would not go into government with SF. That needs to be respected too. As over 40% of the electorate could have voted that way to stop SF led government.

The grand coalition idea is practically the only one that could work but both FF and FG would have to swing left on some policies to survive the next election and that is where the fear is.

Does anybody want to govern with the current numbers ? I don't think so. All three major parities would love to govern but with more seats then they currently have.

Another election withing 6 months is inevitable at this stage I feel.

Wrong. Just simply wrong.

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Wrong. Just simply wrong.

I apologise for leaving out the PBP/Solidarity

PBP would increase it due to needs of the nation..While Solidarity would double it to to 25%. As for RISE Mr Murphy would :Break with Ireland’s corporate tax haven model of development - abolish corporate tax breaks, double the corporation tax rate

So there is plenty of truth in it..

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

https://news.pbp.ie/policies/economic-policy/


If that does’t frighten one, I don’t know what will!!

Nothing in that about increasing corporation tax rate.

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

https://news.pbp.ie/policies/economic-policy/


If that does’t frighten one, I don’t know what will!!

They’re the dudes who want to stop tradespeople working for themselves - they called it the scourge of self-employment; and make them work in a state owned construction company.

While everyone here bemoans the ability of SF to deliver on their manifesto, therefore justifying why they shouldn’t be given an opportunity to change things I’m just going to leave this Here.....



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