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17-02-2020 09:12AM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20200217/k10012288511000.html
18 passengers on cruise ship in a serious condition

From the article's photo, it looks like they are flying back on a cargo 747.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalitta_Air

laurah591 · 17-02-2020 09:28AM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20200217/k10012288511000.html
18 passengers on cruise ship in a serious condition

"A total of 1219 passengers and crew members were screened for the virus on the cruise ship by the 16th, and 355 cases were confirmed. Among them, 18 men and women in their 60s and 80s are severely affected, and more than half of them are receiving treatment in the intensive care unit. One person who has not been confirmed to be infected is seriously ill"

Sorry goggle translate not an exact science - how do you read this? half the 365 virus positive passengers are in ICU or half the 18? Virus on a cruise ship really is a disaster, surely this is one of the most at risk group - so sad.

I also feel sorry for Japan, this must be a significant drain on available ICU resources in Japan and no matter which response Japan takes it will likely be shoned.

ohnonotgmail · 17-02-2020 09:32AM

laurah591 wrote: »

"A total of 1219 passengers and crew members were screened for the virus on the cruise ship by the 16th, and 355 cases were confirmed. Among them, 18 men and women in their 60s and 80s are severely affected, and more than half of them are receiving treatment in the intensive care unit. One person who has not been confirmed to be infected is seriously ill"

Sorry goggle translate not an exact science - how do you read this? half the 365 virus positive passengers are in ICU or half the 18? Virus on a cruise ship really is a disaster, surely this is one of the most at risk group - so sad.

I also feel sorry for Japan, this must be a significant drain on available ICU resources in Japan and no matter which response Japan takes it will likely be shoned.

i would read it as half of the 18.

Pablo Escobar · 17-02-2020 09:33AM

laurah591 wrote: »

"A total of 1219 passengers and crew members were screened for the virus on the cruise ship by the 16th, and 355 cases were confirmed. Among them, 18 men and women in their 60s and 80s are severely affected, and more than half of them are receiving treatment in the intensive care unit. One person who has not been confirmed to be infected is seriously ill"

Sorry goggle translate not an exact science - how do you read this? half the 365 virus positive passengers are in ICU or half the 18? Virus on a cruise ship really is a disaster, surely this is one of the most at risk group - so sad.

I also feel sorry for Japan, this must be a significant drain on available ICU resources in Japan and no matter which response Japan takes it will likely be shoned.

I’d read that as 10 or 11 are in ICU.

wakka12 · 17-02-2020 09:34AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f567u9/additional_99_cases_confirmed_on_diamond_princess/
99 more passengers on the cruise test positive. Total 454.
I imagine by the end of testing several thousand passengers on the ship will test positive.
It seems they are testing all passengers now. 70 of the 99 have no symptoms currently.

Also 6 new cases on mainland Japan overnight. Israel is now denying entry of Japanese, Thai, and Macua nationals into the country

Kermit.de.frog · 17-02-2020 09:38AM

The death boat

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GooglePlus · 17-02-2020 09:50AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The death boat

Start throwing that around and you'll have a pirate conspiracy in the mix

SeaBreezes · 17-02-2020 09:53AM

laurah591 wrote: »

"A total of 1219 passengers and crew members were screened for the virus on the cruise ship by the 16th, and 355 cases were confirmed. Among them, 18 men and women in their 60s and 80s are severely affected, and more than half of them are receiving treatment in the intensive care unit. One person who has not been confirmed to be infected is seriously ill"

Sorry goggle translate not an exact science - how do you read this? half the 365 virus positive passengers are in ICU or half the 18? Virus on a cruise ship really is a disaster, surely this is one of the most at risk group - so sad.

I also feel sorry for Japan, this must be a significant drain on available ICU resources in Japan and no matter which response Japan takes it will likely be shoned.

One person who is not confirmed to be infected is seriously ill... the test are crap. They have it, are seriously ill, and still testing negative...

Scuid Mhór · 17-02-2020 10:00AM

Nijmegen wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/16/woman-let-off-cruise-ship-in-cambodia-tests-positive-for-coronavirus

The decision to let that cruise ship dock and start letting people off now appears to have been very dodgy indeed. One wonders were a few brown envelopes involved. The Cambodian government is still allowing flights to China and the prime minister threatened to kick journalists out of a press conference for wearing masks. He showed up and shook hands with people disembarking the ship.

Given that the virus has spread like wildfire through another cruise ship, I wouldn’t be surprised if it transpires they just let off a bomb in Cambodia and Malaysia.

From the article:

The director general of Malaysia’s health ministry, Noor Hisham Abdullah, said he believed further precautions should have been taken when passengers disembarked.

“Only 20 passengers had their tests done. That was what we were told,” he said. “The fact one case is positive, [means] all other passengers [have] exposure.”

Not sure why this isn't a bigger news story. Seems completely negligent, especially knowing how long it takes for the virus to incubate as well as it's high false negative rate for tests. This could be the seismic shift none of us wanted to see.

laurah591 · 17-02-2020 10:18AM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

Not sure why this isn't a bigger news story. Seems completely negligent, especially knowing how long it takes for the virus to incubate as well as it's high false negative rate for tests. This could be the seismic shift none of us wanted to see.

Its mentioned here
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0217/1115759-coronavirus/

of note.... a real monkey covers eyes moment....Some 137 passengers from the Westerdam who also took the Malaysia flight with the American have now left on commercial flights for other destinations.

Wombatman · 17-02-2020 10:25AM

The "Death Boat" has become a stand alone region on this now.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Only 1 listed as serious.

17-02-2020 10:29AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9mStHpabi4

"Vironomics" about Chinese economy

Yurt2 · 17-02-2020 10:33AM

The Japanese government deserve a kick in the a*s for not letting the passengers ashore and quarantining them properly. Very, very Japanese behaviour (and I'm fond of the Japanese in a lot of ways).

ohnonotgmail · 17-02-2020 10:35AM

Yurt! wrote: »

The Japanese government deserve a kick in the a*s for not letting the passengers ashore and quarantining them properly. Very, very Japanese behaviour (and I'm fond of the Japanese in a lot of ways).

They are doing what is best for japan. as it is the cruise shop is self contained. They would prefer to keep it that way.

Hector Savage · 17-02-2020 10:39AM

I need to stop watching Dr John Campbell videos ...

wakka12 · 17-02-2020 11:01AM

Wombatman wrote: »

The "Death Boat" has become a stand alone region on this now.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Only 1 listed as serious.

There are 18 serious/critical, they were moved from the boat to a hospital in Japan so are counted as that and not on the ship, the Japan category now has 19 serious

cnocbui · 17-02-2020 11:05AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

They are doing what is best for japan. as it is the cruise shop is self contained. They would prefer to keep it that way.

No excuses, there are other ways of quarantining with perfect national safety, such as on islands, but even that is overkill. The US are using military bases, for instance.

ohnonotgmail · 17-02-2020 11:10AM

cnocbui wrote: »

No excuses, there are other ways of quarantining with perfect national safety, such as on islands, but even that is overkill. The US are using military bases, for instance.

Do they have an island spare with the correct facilities? DO they have a military base spare with the correct facilities?

Yurt2 · 17-02-2020 11:12AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

They are doing what is best for japan. as it is the cruise shop is self contained. They would prefer to keep it that way.

I doubt you'd feel that way if you had a loved one on board.

Japan has the capacity to quarantine these people properly, they're just being very Japanese about it. If you think British people are subject to island mentality, you should pick the brains of the average Japanese lad in his 40s.

'A boat full of filthy diseased foreigners? Send it back!'

I have a good friend who is a long-term resident in Japan, he says he's very much enjoying seeing Japanese people gritting their teeth and being extra fake nice to the gaijin around for both the Rugby World Cup and the Olympics.

ohnonotgmail · 17-02-2020 11:16AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I doubt you'd feel that way if you had a loved one on board.

Japan has the capacity to quarantine these people properly, they're just being very Japanese about it. If you think British people are subject to island mentality, you should pick the brains of the average Japanese lad in his 40s.

'A boat full of filthy diseased foreigners? Send it back!'

I have a good friend who is a long-term resident in Japan, he says he's very much enjoying seeing Japanese people gritting their teeth and being extra fake nice to the gaijin around for both the Rugby World Cup and the Olympics.

They are in the same accomodation they were in while on their cruise so their accomodation should not be an issue. They are allowed out on deck for a period each day to get fresh air. they have meals delivered to them. They are taken to hospital if they get sick. The exact same conditions seem to be in effect for the people of Wuhan except they are not getting their meals delivered to them.

wakka12 · 17-02-2020 11:17AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I doubt you'd feel that way if you had a loved one on board.

Japan has the capacity to quarantine these people properly, they're just being very Japanese about it. If you think British people are subject to island mentality, you should pick the brains of the average Japanese lad in his 40s.

'A boat full of filthy diseased foreigners? Send it back!'

I have a good friend who is a long-term resident in Japan, he says he's very much enjoying seeing Japanese people gritting their teeth and being extra fake nice to the gaijin around for both the Rugby World Cup and the Olympics.

Well obviously he would feel different if his loved one was on the boat. Would you say Ireland should quarantine a boat in its waters that had hundreds of French or British or Spanish people on it? Are a lot of the passengers even Japanese? Maybe the Japanese government shouldnt have to quaratine 4000 people just because the cruise happens to be located near there

Drumpot · 17-02-2020 11:18AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I have a good friend who is a long-term resident in Japan, he says he's very much enjoying seeing Japanese people gritting their teeth and being extra fake nice to the gaijin around for both the Rugby World Cup and the Olympics.

If the Japanese are fake nice then they are all in on the joke. I was in Japan for World Cup 2002 and pretty much every person I met was extremely friendly and helpful.

Taxi drivers, bar staff (making me mashed potatoe), random people helping you find your way if you were a bit lost, manager of a McDonald’s walking us half the way to a destination , person in a bar coming home from work paying for our drinks just because we are guests in his country (didn’t even speak with him, he was at the bar when we ordered). There are other stories but if all that’s fake, it’s very impressive level of comitement.

cnocbui · 17-02-2020 11:23AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Do they have an island spare with the correct facilities? DO they have a military base spare with the correct facilities?

You make it happen. You would likely have to move whoever's currently there to somewhere else, but you just do what's necessary. It's not hard. Lots of islands down near Nagasaki, many with connecting bridges. I would bet that as with many countries, they would have a military base on an island that is a complete no-go area for the public.

jam_mac_jam · 17-02-2020 11:32AM

I can see the point of keeping them on the boat. I think a lot of Irish people would feel the same if they were docked off the coast of Ireland. Its not very nice for the people onboard but I think you have to think of the greater good. The countries involved should be flying them home and having them in quartine there. I am not sure if it is up the Japanese. Is it a Japanese ship?

Its all very well saying oh what if you have relatives aboard. But you have to work to prevent this.

cnocbui · 17-02-2020 11:35AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

They are in the same accomodation they were in while on their cruise so their accomodation should not be an issue. They are allowed out on deck for a period each day to get fresh air. they have meals delivered to them. They are taken to hospital if they get sick. The exact same conditions seem to be in effect for the people of Wuhan except they are not getting their meals delivered to them.

Yes, meals contaminated with the virus. :rolleyes:

gozunda · 17-02-2020 11:36AM

Drumpot wrote: »

If the Japanese are fake nice then they are all in on the joke. I was in Japan for World Cup 2002 and pretty much every person I met was extremely friendly and helpful.

Taxi drivers, bar staff (making me mashed potatoe), random people helping you find your way if you were a bit lost, manager of a McDonald’s walking us half the way to a destination , person in a bar coming home from work paying for our drinks just because we are guests in his country (didn’t even speak with him, he was at the bar when we ordered). There are other stories but if all that’s fake, it’s very impressive level of comitement.

Kinda reminds of this story ...

The Stranger ...

A tourist came upon an old man hoeing in his field beside the road. Eager to rest his feet, the wanderer hailed the old man, who seemed happy enough to straighten his back and talk for a moment.
"What sort of people live in hereabouts'' asked the stranger.

"What were the people like where you've come from?" replied the old man answering the question with another question.

"They were a bad lot. Troublemakers all, and lazy too. The most selfish people in the world, and not a one of them to be trusted. I'm happy to be leaving the scoundrels."

"Is that so?" replied the old man. "Well, I'm afraid that you'll find the same sort here'

Disappointed, the tourist trudged on his way, and the old man returned to his work.

Some time later another tourist, coming from the opposite direction, hailed the old man, and they stopped to talk. "What sort of people live in this country" he asked.

"What were the people like where you've come from?" replied the old man once again.

"They were the best people in the world. Hard working, honest, and friendly. I'm sorry to be leaving them."

"Welcome," said the old man. "Indeed You'll find the same sort here too'

Every place on the planet has its share of ar*eholes. The majority of people are decent I find ....

Fr_Dougal · 17-02-2020 11:36AM

Coronavirus: Heathrow hotel closed to public and guests removed after health officials designate it as quarantine centre for infected

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-heathrow-hotel-airport-outbreak-quarantine-evacuation-flight-uk-a9339201.html?utm_source=reddit.com

ohnonotgmail · 17-02-2020 11:40AM

cnocbui wrote: »

Yes, meals contaminated with the virus. :rolleyes:

and you know that how?

cnocbui · 17-02-2020 11:43AM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I can see the point of keeping them on the boat. I think a lot of Irish people would feel the same if they were docked off the coast of Ireland. Its not very nice for the people onboard but I think you have to think of the greater good. The countries involved should be flying them home and having them in quartine there. I am not sure if it is up the Japanese. Is it a Japanese ship?

Its all very well saying oh what if you have relatives aboard. But you have to work to prevent this.

The US has finally gotten sick of Japan's idiocy and is flying their citizens back to the US. That week minded POS fool Australia saddled itself with as a PM, has finally got a thought process finished in his tiny little mind, so Australia is going to evacuate it's 200. They will put them on Christmas Island where the lot went, who have now finished their quarantine stint and are returning to the mainland.

fritzelly · 17-02-2020 11:44AM

gozunda wrote: »

Lol - If you mean did I sit up in the middle of the night waiting for you to reply? The answer is no.

But yes the figures have been massively under reported. Only in recent days has China added previously unaccounted deaths etc to the published totals. But hey I'd suggest believe what you want. We will probably never know the true figures there.

So deflecting and offering no proof

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