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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Yes the immediate thought when seeing something like that is that the person is ridiculous and dramatic but for a lot of people a virus like this could have serious consequence. Underlying illnesses are more common than you think

    people wear face masks when they have an illness to avoid spreading it also


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    National Institutes of Health (NIH) say world is on the verge of pandemic unless stricter measures are implemented
    https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/483294-nih-official-says-coronavirus-on-the-verge-of-reaching-global


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/
    A good new forum about coronavirus where only scientific research can be posted and discussed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Jimbob1977


    The face mask was made of canvas and had a logo on it.... Like Juicy Couture or similar


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www.itv.com/news/2020-02-16/millions-with-flu-symptoms-may-need-to-self-isolate-due-to-coronavirus/
    Crazy, NHS in England will stop testing for coronavirus after the 100th positive


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://www.itv.com/news/2020-02-16/millions-with-flu-symptoms-may-need-to-self-isolate-due-to-coronavirus/
    Crazy, NHS in England will stop testing for coronavirus after the 100th positive

    TBH there is little point counting from that point for the mere sake of counting.

    People are best if it reaches that level to self quarantine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    They are about as accurate as a blind guy playing darts whilst drunk.


    That good!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    TBH there is little point counting from that point for the mere sake of counting.

    People are best if it reaches that level to self quarantine.


    But many won't, too busy too imoortant etc. etc.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A statistical analysis of China’s coronavirus casualty data shows a near-perfect prediction model that data analysts say isn’t likely to naturally occur, casting doubt over the reliability of the numbers being reported to the World Health Organization. That’s aside from news on Thursday that health officials in the epicenter of the outbreak reported a surge in new infections after changing how they diagnose the illness.

    …the number of cumulative deaths reported is described by a simple mathematical formula to a very high accuracy, according to a quantitative-finance specialist who ran a regression of the data for Barron’s. A near-perfect 99.99% of variance is explained by the equation, this person said.

    Put in an investing context, that variance, or so-called r-squared value, would mean that an investor could predict tomorrow’s stock price with almost perfect accuracy. In this case, the high r-squared means there is essentially zero unexpected variability in reported cases day after day.

    Barron’s re-created the regression analysis of total deaths caused by the virus, which first emerged in the central Chinese city of Wuhan at the end of last year, and found similarly high variance. We ran it by Melody Goodman, associate professor of biostatistics at New York University’s School of Global Public Health.

    “I have never in my years seen an r-squared of 0.99,” Goodman says. “As a statistician, it makes me question the data.”

    Real human data are never perfectly predictive when it comes to something like an epidemic, Goodman says, since there are countless ways that a person could come into contact with the virus.

    For context, Goodman says a “really good” r-squared, in terms of public health data, would be a 0.7. “Anything like 0.99,” she said, “would make me think that someone is simulating data. It would mean you already know what is going to happen.”There’s one scenario where the data could be understandably jiggered, Goodman said. Because there are privacy concerns around public health data, it’s conceivable that someone would simulate the data based on real data, so as to make the individuals unidentifiable. But even then, the r-squared in this case is extraordinarily high. Moreover, says Goodman, when data are manipulated to protect privacy, it would need to be disclosed; there is no such disclosure on the WHO site.


    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/02/parasite-vs-virus-tourism-demands-re-opening-to-china/
    https://www.barrons.com/articles/chinas-economic-data-have-always-raised-questions-its-coronavirus-numbers-do-too-51581622840


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,107 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Understand where the NHS is coming from - there is just no serious cases outside of Chinese residents/people with direct contact in Wuhan
    But...I wonder is the seriousness of it in China due to reinfections with an already weakened immune system and the normal antibodies you would produce have a very short shelf life ergo the "rapid" response outside China by isolation people preventing that happening, even preventing any even slight mutations
    We know flu mutates when it hits critical mass but normal people lay up in bed til it's passed and it has a very short incubation period compared to not leaving the house time frame
    Maybe the Chinese know this already (haven't seen any official reports saying it) and that is why they are restricting movement at a radical level


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,107 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    A statistical analysis of China’s coronavirus casualty data shows a near-perfect prediction model that data analysts say...

    That junk has been quashed - every one of these people giving predictions used selective data and data points to suit their agenda
    Both of those stocks/shares/market sites probably cross paths with those same twitter users "predicting" the virus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    saabsaab wrote: »
    But many won't, too busy too imoortant etc. etc.

    That would be a decision for the UK government to make. What type of measures will they need to enforce quarantine?

    As seen in China these can become draconian very quickly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    fritzelly wrote: »
    That junk has been quashed - every one of these people giving predictions used selective data and data points to suit their agenda
    Both of those stocks/shares/market sites probably cross paths with those same twitter users "predicting" the virus

    So you're saying the Chinese figures are correct?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,107 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    gozunda wrote: »
    So you're saying the Chinese figures are correct?

    Don't matter - but those graphs "accurately" predicting everything are junk
    Show me one that was historically right for more than a day or two


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    If it takes 10 days from first symptoms to develop serious complications from the virus as has been the case then death rates will continue to go up long after new infection rates start to go down. If we have approx 15% getting pneumonia or serious lung problems after 10 days it may be even longer before they succumb to the virus. We have now have a huge amount of people who are seriously ill and many more joining them everyday, we have a huge well of people who are vulnerable so the death rate will probably increase before it gets better. The fact that less people are getting infected means that the 10 day lag from infection to serious illness will not be seen in the death rates for at least a week or two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,841 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Absolutely!!

    My mother died aged 89 of hospital acquired pneumonia, and indeed indeed she was extremely reluctant to go into hospital when she had a vertebra fracture. Wanted to ride it out at home, but I was at work and couldn’t really take the several weeks off to stay at home and nurse her. She had enjoyed her birthday in Vienna, a weekend in Switzerland, and was just after coming home from a week touring with me in Derry & Donegal, and the following month we were due to go to Cyprus for two weeks. She absolutely delighted in these trips, and would have been all ears open about this Corona virus and getting me to order in masks, disinfectant etc. In the hospital she kept her daily diary with remarks about her blood pressure (always good), and various things she had been told. She also documented other patients conditions! One of them was “severely ill obese woman arrived in room having been taken off ventilator, I hear she has pneumonia and possibly a case of the Swine flu. I need to get discharged before I catch what she has and end up out in the box.” Two days later I saw her writing had deteriorated and could hear her breath was bubbly. Drew attention to the staff. Died two weeks later, peacefully, of ARDS lung failure.

    Our elderly deserve to be protected, they too have lives to get on with.

    Sorry for your loss.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Don't matter - but those graphs "accurately" predicting everything are junk. Show me one that was historically right for more than a day or two

    Well it does when referring to the figures released. Check out the figures for those infected etc yourself and do the maths if you doubt any particular source. The figures are statistically the suspect no matter which way you look at them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,107 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    gozunda wrote: »
    Well it does when referring to the figures released. Check out the figures for those infected etc yourself and do the maths if you doubt any particular source. The figures are statistically the suspect no matter which way you look at them

    I've checked and none match - the onus is on you to provide proof of some quasi-realistic modelling from people playing the markets that shows some actual proof of number crunching


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The Prime Minister of Singapore says his country now faces recession as a result of the Coronavirus impact on the country's exports.

    Their is a real risk of economic contagion spreading fast as a result of the lock downs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,107 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    gozunda wrote: »
    Well it does when referring to the figures released. Check out the figures for those infected etc yourself and do the maths if you doubt any particular source. The figures are statistically the suspect no matter which way you look at them
    fritzelly wrote: »
    I've checked and none match - the onus is on you to provide proof of some quasi-realistic modelling from people playing the markets that shows some actual proof of number crunching

    So nothing then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    The Prime Minister of Singapore says his country now faces recession as a result of the Coronavirus impact on the country's exports.

    There is a real risk of economic contagion spreading fast as a result of the lock downs.

    A sh*tload of goods (both imported and for export) just sitting in Chinese ports at the moment. I understand Shanghai should be back up and running shortly though.

    Tourism way down in Chinese traveler hotspots such as Thailand, Korea and Japan. Western business people spooked at traveling to the region. Hong Kong economy probably on life support as well. If it persists very far into the second quarter, China will have to admit their economy is in recession (If Singapore is heading for an imminent recession, China almost certainly is already) - will start bringing already sluggish growth in the region down.

    The Kobe earthquake of 1995 was the first domino in the Asian Financial Crisis of the 90s. This could well be the black swan event that triggers something similar this decade.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/16/woman-let-off-cruise-ship-in-cambodia-tests-positive-for-coronavirus

    The decision to let that cruise ship dock and start letting people off now appears to have been very dodgy indeed. One wonders were a few brown envelopes involved. The Cambodian government is still allowing flights to China and the prime minister threatened to kick journalists out of a press conference for wearing masks. He showed up and shook hands with people disembarking the ship.

    Given that the virus has spread like wildfire through another cruise ship, I wouldn’t be surprised if it transpires they just let off a bomb in Cambodia and Malaysia.

    From the article:

    The director general of Malaysia’s health ministry, Noor Hisham Abdullah, said he believed further precautions should have been taken when passengers disembarked.

    “Only 20 passengers had their tests done. That was what we were told,” he said. “The fact one case is positive, [means] all other passengers [have] exposure.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Jimbob1977 wrote: »
    The face mask was made of canvas and had a logo on it.... Like Juicy Couture or similar

    So? Your point is? The more folk mock the fewer youngsters will wear them. We need masks to become a fashion item. Well done that person!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/17/coronavirus-japan-braces-for-hundreds-more-cases-as-another-china-city-locked-down

    413 confirmed cases with 6 new in Japan. They’re still using the method of counting the Chinese were till a few days ago (ie, confirmed tests only and not clinical diagnosis.) A nurse who was treating a patient and a member of the Health Ministry’s testing group have contracted it from people already infected. Excluding the cruise ship it’s 61 cases.

    According to this story the health ministry official didn’t have any direct contact with passengers or crew onboard the ship. The durability of this virus is clearly quite something. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/17/national/science-health/two-new-cases-covid19-kanto-japan/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    fritzelly wrote: »
    So nothing then?

    Lol - If you mean did I sit up in the middle of the night waiting for you to reply? The answer is no.

    But yes the figures have been massively under reported. Only in recent days has China added previously unaccounted deaths etc to the published totals. But hey I'd suggest believe what you want. We will probably never know the true figures there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20200217/k10012288511000.html
    18 passengers on cruise ship in a serious condition


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Where do you think the woman on the westerdam ship contracted the virus?

    The ship departed Hong Kong on Feb 1st. Would the crew have been tested by now? Did she get the virus whilst in Hong Kong?


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