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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #6482
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
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    Concerning, the cruise ship Westerdam that many ports refused finally docked clearing all passengers.

    An American passenger tested positive after flying on to Kuala Lumpur.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/16/world/asia/china-coronavirus.html


  • #6483
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Staggering rate of infections tbh. I'd take everything the Chinese say with a massive pinch of salt as regards deaths. They are desperate to get their economy going again but Covid19 has other ideas.


  • #6484
    Drumpot
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    tara73 wrote: »
    that is some tough stuff. from this article they only tested 1219 passengers, and from them 355 are tested positive, that's 29 %:eek:.

    I think with this number the aircon is doing the job in spreading it further. could turn out it was no quarantine for the people on board but the opposite..
    or did they turn off the aircon completely?

    Was it Dr John who said this will be an interesting "experiment" in that we might get an idea of how it spreads from the cruise ship. The question is that if it is spreading due to aircon does that confirm that its airborne ? Would this suggest it can be transmitted easier ?

    I still think the numbers outside of China going up slow (and slow deaths) is what has most of the world in a relatively unconcerned status.


  • #6485
    SeaBreezes
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    tara73 wrote: »
    that is some tough stuff. from this article they only tested 1219 passengers, and from them 355 are tested positive, that's 29 %:eek:.

    I think with this number the aircon is doing the job in spreading it further. could turn out it was no quarantine for the people on board but the opposite..
    or did they turn off the aircon completely?

    Also the test is only 60% accurate...


  • #6486
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    First death in Taiwan

    6 more cases in Tokyo this morning

    I wonder if the worlds biggest city could ever be quarantined. That is like at least 15 new cases in one city in 24 hours


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  • #6487
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Chang Kai, born in 1964, worked at #Hubei Film Studio, died of #COVID19 in the morning on the #valentinsday . His sister died in the same afternoon. His father died on Jan 28. His mother died on Jan 31. Within 17 days, four members died. His wife was infected too

    https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1228799606588420097

    In the tweet comments: If the mortality rate of the virus was really 2.5% as China is telling the world, the probability of a family of four being killed by the virus is one in 2.5 million. If the mortality was 10% it is one in 10,000. I suspect the real rate is north of 10%


  • #6488
    wakka12
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    I don't think those averages can just be applied to every family. All the family members were around 55+, for example , clearly in this age group the death rate is considerably more than 2.5% regardless. maybe they all shared some genetic heart abnormality or other condition. It is alarming but you certainly can't estimate a nationwide death rate from one example


  • #6489
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    https://twitter.com/GlobalTimesBiz/status/1228934282976120832?s=19

    https://twitter.com/business/status/1228866357254594560?s=19


  • #6490
    tara73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭tara73


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Was it Dr John who said this will be an interesting "experiment" in that we might get an idea of how it spreads from the cruise ship. .


    yes, he did as I remember being a bit 'shocked' about him saying it so directly...:pac:


  • #6491
    saabsaab
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    As the test isn't 100% accurate I wonder how many times the suspect cases here were re-tested?


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  • #6492
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    This fricking virus .. healed patients can continue to infect people..

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30066-7/fulltext

    This recent case shows that not only can subclinical patients transmit the virus effectively but patients can also shed high amounts of the virus and infect others even after recovery from the acute illness.


  • #6493
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    Does anyone know the profile of the deaths so far? Has it killed anyone healthy in their 20s or mainly and older population?


  • #6494
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    This fricking virus .. healed patients can continue to infect people..

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30066-7/fulltext

    This recent case shows that not only can subclinical patients transmit the virus effectively but patients can also shed high amounts of the virus and infect others even after recovery from the acute illness.


    Very worrying, if that holds up there is no way to stop it long term. Hope it mutates to a milder form soon.


  • #6495
    cnocbui
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    Pheonix10 wrote: »
    Does anyone know the profile of the deaths so far? Has it killed anyone healthy in their 20s or mainly and older population?

    The Chinese doctor who tried to warn about it, springs to mind.


  • #6496
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,999 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    tara73 wrote: »
    that is some tough stuff. from this article they only tested 1219 passengers, and from them 355 are tested positive, that's 29 %:eek:.

    I think with this number the aircon is doing the job in spreading it further. could turn out it was no quarantine for the people on board but the opposite..
    or did they turn off the aircon completely?

    The geniuses have had infected crew associating with one another and preparing meals for all the passengers and themselves. I expect a 100% infection rate will result from this act of insanity. It will go down in history and be the subject of medical textbooks and in depth magazine articles for years and will damage Japans reputation.


  • #6497
    wakka12
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    cnocbui wrote: »
    The Chinese doctor who tried to warn about it, springs to mind.

    He was in his early thirties. There are no specific reports of people under 30 dying but I'm sure at least one has out of 1500 deaths


  • #6498
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
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    I just think it's a little too perfect of a virus to be natural.

    It's ability to transmit, reinfect and kill is phenomenal.

    Rumours of it being capable of living on surfaces for lengthy periods and capable of being transmitted by food or goods.

    It's apparent non effect on those under 15 years old. It's seeming lethality specifically on Asian people due to the receptors and the way the lungs react.

    The timing too, a time of huge gathering and travelling for Chinese New year.

    I don't know, I suppose good news is China reporting drops in cases (if figures are legit) also the Christmas Island evacuees all seem to be clear after quarantine.

    I feel like I could be in tin foil hat territory but I would not be surprised to learn if it was man made or a purposeful release.


  • #6499
    Bill 2.0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭Bill 2.0


    cnocbui wrote: »
    The Chinese doctor who tried to warn about it, springs to mind.

    Did he die from the virus or "die from the virus" *wink wink*?


  • #6500
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    The US military has set up 15 coronavirus quarantine camps on its bases, and 600 citizens are still isolated there

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-bases-coronavirus-quarantine-locations-2020-2?amp&r=US&IR=T&__twitter_impression=true


  • #6501
    tromtipp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭tromtipp


    " I don't think those averages can just be applied to every family. All the family members were around 55+, for example "

    The parents and their two children were ALL 55+? Odd family.


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  • #6502
    Spudmonkey
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    I think one thing will/should have to be called into question after all this and that's the fact that all these viruses arise in China and they're all in some way related to their often barbaric animal husbandry and wild animal practises. If the world is going to have to deal with this type of ****e every 15-20 years because of a controlling state like China creates the conditions and hides the outcome then surely stricter controls need to be put in place.
    This may have been ok 100 years ago when such a virus just wiped out the people engaged in this but the world is far too interconnected now.


  • #6503
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    tromtipp wrote: »
    " I don't think those averages can just be applied to every family. All the family members were around 55+, for example "

    The parents and their two children were ALL 55+? Odd family.

    What's odd about that? The man was 56, his sibling was a similar age and not surprisingly their parents were even older.


  • #6504
    SeaBreezes
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    Pheonix10 wrote: »
    Does anyone know the profile of the deaths so far? Has it killed anyone healthy in their 20s or mainly and older population?

    There have been people in their 20s killed, also people in their 90s the median age is the difference between the two.
    But children seem to be able to shake it off quicker..

    This article discusses it and references a few case studies..

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/why-kids-missing-coronavirus-cases.html


  • #6505
    igCorcaigh
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    Spudmonkey wrote: »
    I think one thing will/should have to be called into question after all this and that's the fact that all these viruses arise in China and they're all in some way related to their often barbaric animal husbandry and wild animal practises. If the world is going to have to deal with this type of ****e every 15-20 years because of a controlling state like China creates the conditions and hides the outcome then surely stricter controls need to be put in place.
    This may have been ok 100 years ago when such a virus just wiped out the people engaged in this but the world is far too interconnected now.

    Absolutely. Remember too, those wet markets were actually illegal. The law was not being enforced.


  • #6506
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Spudmonkey wrote: »
    I think one thing will/should have to be called into question after all this and that's the fact that all these viruses arise in China and they're all in some way related to their often barbaric animal husbandry and wild animal practises. If the world is going to have to deal with this type of ****e every 15-20 years because of a controlling state like China creates the conditions and hides the outcome then surely stricter controls need to be put in place.
    This may have been ok 100 years ago when such a virus just wiped out the people engaged in this but the world is far too interconnected now.

    You know Spanish flu started in the States, right?
    Smallpox came from Egypt or India.
    Scarlet fever came from Europe..


  • #6507
    tara73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭tara73


    Pheonix10 wrote: »
    Does anyone know the profile of the deaths so far? Has it killed anyone healthy in their 20s or mainly and older population?


    I think this is a very important question and I wonder why it's not available/done by China/WHO.
    And before the racist/pc brigade shows up again, it's NOT to discriminate elderly people, it's to get the facts right who is mostly affected by the virus to get a better perception of the overall situation and get it under control the best we can (silly to even explain/justify this..:rolleyes:)


  • #6508
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    You know Spanish flu started in the States, right?
    Smallpox came from Egypt or India.
    Scarlet fever came from Europe..

    oddly heard this mentioned as a factoid this morning
    China

    More recently, experts have proposed a third hypothesis: The Spanish flu originated somewhere in northern China in late 1917 and swiftly moved to western Europe with the 140,000 Chinese laborers the French and British governments recruited to perform manual labor to free up troops for wartime duty.May 22, 2018

    Spanish Flu: Origins and Facts - HISTORY

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #6509
    wakka12
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    tromtipp wrote: »
    " I don't think those averages can just be applied to every family. All the family members were around 55+, for example "

    The parents and their two children were ALL 55+? Odd family.

    It said a man born in 1965, his sister, and his parents died . So yes all presumably around 55+, sister could be a bit younger who knows, or could even be way older

    'Family ' doesn't mean a young mom and dad an two small children


  • #6510
    wakka12
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    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    You know Spanish flu started in the States, right?
    Smallpox came from Egypt or India.
    Scarlet fever came from Europe..

    Did it? I heard it was unknown where Spanish flu occurred. The name came about because Spain was one of only countries without media censorship so the world thought it was affecting Spain worst


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  • #6511
    tromtipp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭tromtipp


    ok, fair enough re: the family ages, I got it wrong.


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