new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

cnocbui · 16-02-2020 12:09AM

Not hard to see why the original built for SARS was abandoned. Looks like they built a virus incubator in only 10 days. Hmmm, electricity and water, my favourite.

16-02-2020 12:11AM

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30373-1/fulltext

Lancet doesn't agree with travel restrictions,. Calls it an illegal breach of International Health Regulations:

Article 3.1 strictly requires all additional health measures to be implemented “with full respect for the dignity, human rights and fundamental freedoms of persons”,1 which in turn must reflect the international law principles of necessity, legitimacy, and proportionality that govern limitations to and derogations from rights and freedoms.10 Under no circumstances should public health or foreign policy decisions be based on the racism and xenophobia that are now being directed at Chinese people and those of Asian descent.11
Many of the travel restrictions implemented by dozens of countries during the COVID-19 outbreak are therefore violations of the IHR

Call Me Jimmy · 16-02-2020 12:16AM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30373-1/fulltext

Lancet doesn't agree with travel restrictions,. Calls it an illegal breach of International Health Regulations:

Article 3.1 strictly requires all additional health measures to be implemented “with full respect for the dignity, human rights and fundamental freedoms of persons”,1 which in turn must reflect the international law principles of necessity, legitimacy, and proportionality that govern limitations to and derogations from rights and freedoms.10 Under no circumstances should public health or foreign policy decisions be based on the racism and xenophobia that are now being directed at Chinese people and those of Asian descent.11
Many of the travel restrictions implemented by dozens of countries during the COVID-19 outbreak are therefore violations of the IHR

Why don't they tell China to lift all travel restrictions in their own country? Are mass quarantines of cities lawful? Telling people they can't leave their house without authorisation?

tillyfilly · 16-02-2020 12:33AM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Why don't they tell China to lift all travel restrictions in their own country? Are mass quarantines of cities lawful? Telling people they can't leave their house without authorisation?

its China, there is only as much freedom as the government say with or without the corona virus

cnocbui · 16-02-2020 12:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30373-1/fulltext

Lancet doesn't agree with travel restrictions,. Calls it an illegal breach of International Health Regulations:

Article 3.1 strictly requires all additional health measures to be implemented “with full respect for the dignity, human rights and fundamental freedoms of persons”,1 which in turn must reflect the international law principles of necessity, legitimacy, and proportionality that govern limitations to and derogations from rights and freedoms.10 Under no circumstances should public health or foreign policy decisions be based on the racism and xenophobia that are now being directed at Chinese people and those of Asian descent.11
Many of the travel restrictions implemented by dozens of countries during the COVID-19 outbreak are therefore violations of the IHR

I think they must be confusing a potentially pandemic virus for a refugee.

tillyfilly · 16-02-2020 12:48AM

saabsaab wrote: »

'May I suggest Mr President a ration of 10 women to each man for optimal breeding purposes!'
Dr Strangelove

surely the Olympics will be affected by this virus! You can run but you can't hide

wakka12 · 16-02-2020 01:46AM

70 more cases on the japanese ship, 355 total, 10% of all those on board. Wonder what the total will turn out to be

bodhrandude · 16-02-2020 01:57AM

wakka12 wrote: »

70 more cases on the japanese ship, 355 total, 10% of all those on board. Wonder what the total will turn out to be

Where did you see that, can't find any reports on Google.

fritzelly · 16-02-2020 01:59AM

wakka12 wrote: »

70 more cases on the japanese ship, 355 total, 10% of all those on board. Wonder what the total will turn out to be

At this rate all of them! It's more like a petri dish than a cruise ship at this point

bodhrandude wrote: »

Where did you see that, can't find any reports on Google.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1228855359906906113

tillyfilly · 16-02-2020 01:59AM

44 more cases it says in the guardian

wakka12 · 16-02-2020 02:04AM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Where did you see that, can't find any reports on Google.

BNO news

fritzelly · 16-02-2020 02:07AM

tillyfilly wrote: »

44 more cases it says in the guardian

Where's it say that? Cannot find a current live update

bodhrandude · 16-02-2020 02:12AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Where's it say that? Cannot find a current live update

Actually that seems to be from Thursday so I don't know, maybe 70 is a new total for the same news.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/13/japan-reports-first-coronavirus-death-as-44-more-cases-confirmed-aboard-cruise-ship

fritzelly · 16-02-2020 02:15AM

bodhrandude wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/13/japan-reports-first-coronavirus-death-as-44-more-cases-confirmed-aboard-cruise-ship

Thats 3 days old

bodhrandude · 16-02-2020 02:20AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Thats 3 days old

Yep I noticed that after I posted it so original post amended.

fritzelly · 16-02-2020 02:22AM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Yep I noticed that after I posted it so original post amended.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20200216/k10012287771000.html

Google translate needed

bodhrandude · 16-02-2020 02:32AM

That will be Japan now at nearly 300 people. Was looking at this map from another CV discussion on the Aphex Twin, Squarepusher WATMM forums etc, the map is done well based on the John Hopkins CSSE, although the figure given for Japan seems off. Will post both links.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

https://forum.watmm.com/topic/98388-chinese-coronavirus-end-of-the-world/page/13/

ardinn · 16-02-2020 04:43AM

Apparently we are at 4.7 on the "Uh Oh" scale

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Graces7 · 16-02-2020 06:41AM

fr336 wrote: »

Sad to see comments here and elsewhere discarding older people getting this - as long as everyone else is fine, no problem. Do you not have parents or grandparents? I'm not worried about myself - I'm only just in my 30s - but am worried about relatives. Of course there are always risks for older people, but a pandemic is a bloody unlucky way to go.

Thank you for this.. and totally agree. I sit here seething. I am headed for 80 and have M.E to a major degree which the majority of GPs know almost nothing about even if they believe in it.

I take full responsibility for my illness and health care as I have access to little else. I am very well educated about M.E and only seek medical care when eg a broken wrist occurs, I especially know that my immune system is down. Last time I caught even a simple cold I was abed for two months; went to a First Communion.

When I tried to find out how old age affects M.E I was told that so few live to old age there is no awareness. The main cause of death for us is " overwhelming infection"!

So I live safely and simply; with almost no human contact ( the internet is a wonder..) Ask only pain relief from the GP. Supply lines set up and no way can this virus access me. And well stocked for supplies always, in a remote place.

I know not everyone can do as I am doing; but we can all and each take precautions. And for our old folk; shop for them etc. Make sure they have all they need.

As you say, we are people too. Not stats to be discounted.

s7ryf3925pivug · 16-02-2020 07:14AM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Actually that seems to be from Thursday so I don't know, maybe 70 is a new total for the same news.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/13/japan-reports-first-coronavirus-death-as-44-more-cases-confirmed-aboard-cruise-ship

Says 70 new cases now.

Coronavirus: 70 more cases on Japan cruise ship as China infections pass 68,000

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/16/coronavirus-70-more-cases-on-japan-cruise-ship-as-china-infections-pass-68000?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Gynoid · 16-02-2020 07:30AM

Corona virus may affect testes and fertility
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022418v1
(I know it is pre peer review)

Corona virus reinfecting patients. Previously weakened heart resulting in sudden deaths.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3876197

Vaccine may not be answer. As with SARS which is not amenable to vaccine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome

Duke of Url · 16-02-2020 09:42AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Maybe posted already but the hastily built hospitals - not only are they mostly empty but have been encountering other problems...

https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1228576289004675072

https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1228670320455962625

They should have hired the people building a Children’s Hospital

pc7 · 16-02-2020 09:55AM

The poor people living there, absolute nightmare https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1228968075682291713?s=21

tara73 · 16-02-2020 10:01AM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

Says 70 new cases now.

Coronavirus: 70 more cases on Japan cruise ship as China infections pass 68,000

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/16/coronavirus-70-more-cases-on-japan-cruise-ship-as-china-infections-pass-68000?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

that is some tough stuff. from this article they only tested 1219 passengers, and from them 355 are tested positive, that's 29 %:eek:.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 16-02-2020 10:03AM

Concerning, the cruise ship Westerdam that many ports refused finally docked clearing all passengers.

An American passenger tested positive after flying on to Kuala Lumpur.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/16/world/asia/china-coronavirus.html

BanditLuke · 16-02-2020 10:08AM

Staggering rate of infections tbh. I'd take everything the Chinese say with a massive pinch of salt as regards deaths. They are desperate to get their economy going again but Covid19 has other ideas.

Drumpot · 16-02-2020 10:12AM

tara73 wrote: »

that is some tough stuff. from this article they only tested 1219 passengers, and from them 355 are tested positive, that's 29 %:eek:.

I think with this number the aircon is doing the job in spreading it further. could turn out it was no quarantine for the people on board but the opposite..
or did they turn off the aircon completely?

Was it Dr John who said this will be an interesting "experiment" in that we might get an idea of how it spreads from the cruise ship. The question is that if it is spreading due to aircon does that confirm that its airborne ? Would this suggest it can be transmitted easier ?

I still think the numbers outside of China going up slow (and slow deaths) is what has most of the world in a relatively unconcerned status.

SeaBreezes · 16-02-2020 10:33AM

tara73 wrote: »

that is some tough stuff. from this article they only tested 1219 passengers, and from them 355 are tested positive, that's 29 %:eek:.

I think with this number the aircon is doing the job in spreading it further. could turn out it was no quarantine for the people on board but the opposite..
or did they turn off the aircon completely?

Also the test is only 60% accurate...

wakka12 · 16-02-2020 10:52AM

First death in Taiwan

6 more cases in Tokyo this morning

I wonder if the worlds biggest city could ever be quarantined. That is like at least 15 new cases in one city in 24 hours

SeaBreezes · 16-02-2020 10:55AM

Chang Kai, born in 1964, worked at #Hubei Film Studio, died of #COVID19 in the morning on the #valentinsday . His sister died in the same afternoon. His father died on Jan 28. His mother died on Jan 31. Within 17 days, four members died. His wife was infected too

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1228799606588420097

In the tweet comments: If the mortality rate of the virus was really 2.5% as China is telling the world, the probability of a family of four being killed by the virus is one in 2.5 million. If the mortality was 10% it is one in 10,000. I suspect the real rate is north of 10%

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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