new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

auspicious · 14-02-2020 11:54PM

...individuals confirmed to have the virus - spending 15 minutes within two metres of an infected person is judged to be a significant risk.

washing your hands often, using soap and water for at least 20 seconds - especially after coming into contact with the patient or something that they have handled.

Waste that has been in contact with the isolated person should be put in a plastic rubbish bag and tied - then tied up in a second bag.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51506729

Martina1991 · 14-02-2020 11:56PM

Quantum Erasure wrote:

this was probably posted already, but i just saw that Egypt reported its 1st case of coronavirus, thats the first on mainland Africa, a foreigner with no symptoms, according to local media

If they had no symptoms how were they picked up?

tillyfilly · 14-02-2020 11:59PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

If they had no symptoms how were they picked up?

are the symptoms dormant?

Kermit.de.frog · 15-02-2020 12:04AM

If the cases rocket in the UK we are going to have to put more serious measures in place at our airports and ports.

I really don't think we have the capacity to deal with that scenario.

If there were 9 cases of foot and mouth in the UK imagine the restrictions that would be in place now.

15-02-2020 12:07AM

View from within the HSE: No need to panic. Buying masks is bollocks. Yet again, if frontline staff are that confident. Then, there is no need for immediate worry.

fritzelly · 15-02-2020 12:10AM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1228455683084996609

fritzelly · 15-02-2020 12:11AM

Big jump in deaths - we may be entering a period where the critical patients are starting to die en masse

Jump again in serious/critical to 10,000+

BanditLuke · 15-02-2020 12:14AM

Deleted User wrote: »

View from within the HSE: No need to panic. Buying masks is bollocks. Yet again, if frontline staff are that confident. Then, there is no need for immediate worry.

If the HSE said today was Friday I'd check the calendar.

BanditLuke · 15-02-2020 12:16AM

All eyes on Singapore and Japan the next few days. If they can't contain it there then its worst case scenario for us all.

s7ryf3925pivug · 15-02-2020 12:19AM

we are dispersing large numbers of tds, mayors and country councillors to various parts of the USA to promote tourism to Ireland for Patrick's day. Same people who declared a climate emergency the other week.

I've travelled to the USA for work and academia. Presented at a few academic conferences. The work stuff had value because I could see the physical system I was making software for, talk directly to whomever I needed to talk to and engage with the customer. Never saw much value in the academic conferences. Fun but not of value imo.

bb12 · 15-02-2020 12:21AM

sdanseo wrote: »

We are very small but relatively sparsely populated Island and also a first world country. There aren't many of that combination. Spanish flu barely affected us in comparison to the UK (yes, different world, granted now more globalised but also communication is faster to counter that)

if you research that more you'll see it's estimated 800,000 irish were infected with spanish flu and 23,000 died

bb12 · 15-02-2020 12:26AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Dr John scaremongering
They were monitored as soon as they left the airplane

yeah i've watched his videos and find i've learned a lot from them but there is definitely an element of subtle scaremongering going on in them too...he seemed really annoyed about the difficulty in getting them monetised which set off red flags for me, so i think he's adding a bit of fear just to keep people coming back to watch more...

15-02-2020 12:26AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

If the HSE said today was Friday I'd check the calendar.

That's a major slur against the people working in the HSE. The vast majority are working under extreme pressure. If the Covid-19 was actually to take hold in Ireland. The people working in the HSE would be the frontline.

Whilst I admit that the HSE has problems at a minister of health level. The staff are stellar. They are working their arse off.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-02-2020 12:30AM

Bring back the nuns

fritzelly · 15-02-2020 12:30AM

bb12 wrote: »

yeah i've watched his videos and find i've learned a lot from them but there is definitely an element of subtle scaremongering going on in them too...he seemed really annoyed about the difficulty in getting them monetised which set off red flags for me, so i think he's adding a bit of fear just to keep people coming back to watch more...

Don't care about his monetizing - he does say any profits from his books etc are used for his work in less well off countries (dunno if true) - but he is only a nurse, not sure what he really does
For me he is just boring at this stage - spends half the video reiterating what he already said in previous videos and the other repeating what's been in the news (and discussed on this thread already) and speculating - remember he said the 2 prisoners had already been confirmed when they weren't. Few other things he has said that made no sense or were sensationalist

fritzelly · 15-02-2020 12:32AM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's a major slur against the people working in the HSE. The vast majority are working under extreme pressure. If the Covid-19 was actually to take hold in Ireland. The people working in the HSE would be the frontline.

Whilst I admit that the HSE has problems at a minister of health level. The staff are stellar. They are working their arse off.

Don't think anyone is having a go at the frontline staff, its the bureaucracy they have the problem with

15-02-2020 12:36AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Don't think anyone is having a go at the frontline staff, its the bureaucracy they have the problem with

From a hospital level. In my honest opinion, we would be able to handle an outbreak in Ireland. We have the resources and skill. The issue would be from the scaremongering stopping HSE staff going to work. This would make it significantly worse.

But rest assured, I'd turn up and get on with the job. To be fair, that's easy for me to say as I don't have children etc.

bodhrandude · 15-02-2020 12:48AM

A North Sea oilman is currently being tested in Shetland, Scotland on the Tern Alpha oil rig, it turns out he'd been to Thailand on his holidays and developed symptoms when he returned to the rig. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-51503277

Deputy Director of Public Health Dr Emilia Crighton said: "The risk of catching this illness in the UK is extremely low and only those returning from at risk areas, or people in contact with someone diagnosed with the illness are at risk."

There is another health authority like HSE with that same daft message 'risk of catching it in the UK is extremely low.' I mean did they not see the headlines about the super spreader in the UK, hello?

Merlin44 · 15-02-2020 12:49AM

Deleted User wrote: »

From a hospital level. In my honest opinion, we would be able to handle an outbreak in Ireland. We have the resources and skill. The issue would be from the scaremongering stopping HSE staff going to work. This would make it significantly worse.

But rest assured, I'd turn up and get on with the job. To be fair, that's easy for me to say as I don't have children etc.

Well said ... the demographics should work.in.our favour we are not on top of each other.people will stick the quaratine out and i would imagine it will be areas rather than.the whole place in lockdown.such is our vastness compated to.wuhan
I am frontline too and i fully expect people to.prepare individually for the sake of our children.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-02-2020 12:57AM

Japanese media reporting on a new case

From Mainichi news

In Nagoya, Aichi Prefecture, a man in his 60s who recently returned from a trip to Hawaii has tested positive for the coronavirus, the city government said. He has not visited China recently.

In cases reported Thursday in the western prefecture of Wakayama, a route of contraction is not known, either.

bodhrandude · 15-02-2020 12:59AM

Merlin44 wrote: »

Well said ... the demographics should work.in.our favour we are not on top of each other.people will stick the quaratine out and i would imagine it will be areas rather than.the whole place in lockdown.such is our vastness compated to.wuhan
I am frontline too and i fully expect people to.prepare individually for the sake of our children.

Do you know Riclad by any chance.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-02-2020 01:00AM

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1228429372526415879

fritzelly · 15-02-2020 01:00AM

Need to manually select subtitles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrQ0wrTT1Mw

gozunda · 15-02-2020 01:06AM

For anyone needing to fly anywhere in the near future - a couple of interesting articles on the risk of global spread with regard to flights and major airports in

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/14/21134473/coronavirus-outbreak-singapore-us-symptoms-pandemic

Also
Novel Coronavirus Global Risk Assessment

The spread of the virus on an international scale is dominated by air travel. Wuhan, the seventh largest city in China with 11 million residents, was a major domestic air transportation hub with many connecting international flights before the city was effectively quarantined and the Wuhan airport closed on January 23, 2020. By then, the virus had already spread to other Chinese provinces as well as other countries.

http://rocs.hu-berlin.de/corona/

Route Analysis & Effective Distance
Most probable routes and effective distance

http://rocs.hu-berlin.de/corona/docs/analysis/visual_analytics/

Kermit.de.frog · 15-02-2020 01:06AM

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1228444050686083072

wakka12 · 15-02-2020 01:34AM

I wonder when countries will begin flight bans to Japan and Singapore, it seems China level epidemics are inevitable in these countries now

15-02-2020 01:36AM

wakka12 wrote: »

I wonder when countries will begin flight bans to Japan and Singapore, it seems China level epidemics are inevitable in these countries now

And you are talking nonsense.

gozunda · 15-02-2020 01:37AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

From a hospital level. In my honest opinion, we would be able to handle an outbreak in Ireland. We have the resources and skill. The issue would be from the scaremongering stopping HSE staff going to work. This would make it significantly worse.

But rest assured, I'd turn up and get on with the job. To be fair, that's easy for me to say as I don't have children etc.

I dont believe anyone questions the dedication and hard work of all medical related staff.

The issue is one primarily of existing hospitals which are currently working with a shortage of resources - with many hospitals experiencing overflowing A&E departments and a shortage of beds and wards and people to staff same.

This from the article I linked above

.. even a less severe pandemic has the potential to overwhelm a country’s health infrastructure. There are studies out of China suggesting as many as a quarter of patients need care in the ICU, for example — something that could wreak havoc on health systems and cost billions. “There’s always chance [this disease could] overwhelm health systems in a number of countries, even in countries with good health systems,”

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/14/21134473/coronavirus-outbreak-singapore-us-symptoms-pandemic

To make sure this doesn't happen - the top brass in the HSE and the Department of Health really need to pull their finger out asap ...

wakka12 · 15-02-2020 01:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

And you are talking nonsense.

Really? CDC has said that epidemic is imminent in USA, and there are hardly any cases there even. Singapore and Japan are both experiencing numerous new cases all across their countries among people with no known links to infected people, how do you contain that once it's started? You dont even know where to begin, how can you, once there are unknown links between infected people, its impossible to trace backwards and contain it. Guarantee you many countries will ban flights to Japan and Singpoare within the next week

15-02-2020 01:44AM

wakka12 wrote: »

I wonder when countries will begin flight bans to Japan and Singapore, it seems China level epidemics are inevitable in these countries now

No they aren't. No other country will have a Wuhan sort of explosion because of this virus.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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