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ted1 · 14-02-2020 11:11PM

maccored wrote: »

What's all that about? Making up stuff doesn't really fly

Which piece is made up ?

Jinglejangle69 · 14-02-2020 11:11PM

maccored wrote: »

I hate repeating myself, but they went to 'everyone else first' to build up the number of seats interested in the same kind of things they are. Common sense really. At least they have tried to talk to all parties - not like a few others

Yet Mary Lou said FF or FG would be a disaster for the country.

So she's putting party before country?

Jinglejangle69 · 14-02-2020 11:12PM

maccored wrote: »

'Ah give over' isn't a very strong argument.

OK let's forget that.

What about the rest?

ted1 · 14-02-2020 11:13PM

maccored wrote: »

At least she was trying - she started before the final counts were even in. If there's another election people will remember that.

All they'll remember about ff/fg is they refused to form a gov when it was the most viable option

If there was another vote the SF vote will be down.

Edgware · 14-02-2020 11:13PM

maccored wrote: »

At least she was trying - she started before the final counts were even in. If there's another election people will remember that.

All they'll remember about ff/fg is they refused to form a gov when it was the most viable option

They haven't refused to form a government just a government with the Shinners.
We live in a democracy and political parties have this choice to reflect their supporters wishes. S.F
are just getting uppity because they know the game is up. Another four years sitting on the opposition bench will do them the world of good.
People will be fairly fed up of her whinging by then

McMurphy · 14-02-2020 11:14PM

ted1 wrote: »

Since the election

SF, up the Ra.. people got really put off by this.
SF, we need Europe to pay for reunification. People are like WRF, mandate was housing and health. We made a mistake.

FF we won’t go to partnership with SF, fair play why would you go into a partner with a polar opposite party

FG, let SF go into government, it’ll be a **** storm they’ll fail and be wiped out next election

SF , blah blah people voted for change. No SF your vote grew by 10%. That’s all who voted for change for you. Far from a majority. You only had 24.5% and not enough like minded parties to form a government with

People got put off by a SF TD shouting up the RA? Really? Because the last month of constant IRA rehashed material being dragged up by the media didn't put them off already? I'd like some kind of definitive proof on this tbh, because I'm not buying it myself.

And FF/SF are polar opposite? No they're not, they're actually very similar, in fact I'd say they're so similar that that is why Michaél Martin in particular is shlttin a brick about the rise in SF, FF potray themselves as the republican party, left of centre, and SF are also a republican party, who are slowly moving into that same position.

Yeah - they may have that baggage of the conflict in the north behind them, but there's no denying they're party full of relatively young and innovative folk compared to the FF party who seem to have reached a plateau.

They (FF) will also find it tough to shake off the financial meltdown they had the country at only nine years ago.

FF only care that SF might very well make their brand as irrelevant political dinosaurs in comparison with their brand.

They can dress it up in whatever way they want to, but what it actually boils down to is that FF and FG have had the place to themselves for so bloody long that they don't want to embrace change, all this bluster about SF this and SF that is just that, bluster.

Truth is they just don't think anyone else should be allowed to govern, as they mistakenly believe that Ireland belongs to them.

I sent a few emails off this afternoon to some TDs from some of the smaller party's who may be approached by FF/ FG in the coming months, and informed them that they could potentially be singing their own party's death warrant if they allowed themselves to be mudguards for either or, and asked them to look at the fate of the Labour Party, the PDs and the mess the greens found themselves in last time.

Two party's pretending they're different, yet can collaborate to prevent anyone else countering their governance isn't on.

I suggest if other people share my thoughts, they should perhaps consider reminding their own TDs in their area of their thoughts, and remind them that when you give them a vote, it's not theirs to keep and you may well consider giving it to someone else next time.

It would be monumentally stupid for the likes of the socdems or greens who have actually just got some kind of a foothold rebuilding their party or in the case of the socdems - actually getting theirs of the ground to allow themselves to be used as buffers and cushions by the other two.

You might think it wouldn't make a difference, but believe me it will.

maccored · 14-02-2020 11:16PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yet Mary Lou said FF or FG would be a disaster for the country.

So she's putting party before country?

Aye, which they would be if they had more TDs than the leftists. Or ffg - that too. Jesus though- do you need your hand held through all of this. Terrible having to explain everything to some of ye. Use the oul head the odd time.

maccored · 14-02-2020 11:17PM

ted1 wrote: »

Which piece is made up ?

If it's not made up then it's the most childish observation I've seen yet

maccored · 14-02-2020 11:20PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

OK let's forget that.

What about the rest?

That she was trying to form a gov not that could never exist? How do you work that out? I don't ever remember sf saying they'd never go into gov with ff. in fact they always said they'd talk to everyone - which they tried to do.

You're just barking up the wrong tree. Wrong forest even.

It's ff and fg saying they won't talk to sf - not the other way around

Foxtrol · 14-02-2020 11:20PM

Tony EH wrote: »

There's some overlap among the parties of the left. But it's still a broader range of opinion than that of modern day FF or FG according to some people.

Why are you so hung up on this. It's kind of silly.

You're the one that responded to my original post

I provided my point of view, with specific examples, and you've responded with vague statements supported by nothing and now seem to have fallen back to relying on 'according to some people'. It is kind of silly to get into a discussion where you have nothing to back up your opinion.

Jinglejangle69 · 14-02-2020 11:20PM

maccored wrote: »

Aye, which they would be if they had more TDs than the leftists. Or ffg - that too. Jesus though- do you need your hand held through all of this. Terrible having to explain everything to some of ye. Use the oul head the odd time.

So why did Mary Lou try dorm a government with the leftists knowing the numbers didn't add up.

Would it be maybe she can tell her supporters that she tried but FF and FG wouldn't allow it?

And her loyal comrades will swallow it.

Lies.

ted1 · 14-02-2020 11:21PM

maccored wrote: »

If it's not made up then it's the most childish observation I've see no yet

Call it childish, call it stating the obvious. But it’s the general consensus from non SF fanboys

Edgware · 14-02-2020 11:22PM

McMurphy wrote: »

People got put off by a SF TD shouting up the RA? Really? Because the last month of constant IRA rehashed material being dragged up by the media didn't put them off already? I'd like some kind of definitive proof on this tbh, because I'm not buying it myself.

And FF/SF are polar opposite? No they're not, they're actually very similar, in fact I'd say they're so similar that that is why Michaél Martin in particular is shlttin a brick about the rise in SF, FF potray themselves as the republican party, left of centre, and SF are also a republican party, who are slowly moving into that same position.

Yeah - they may have that baggage of the conflict in the north behind them, but there's no denying they're party full of relatively young and innovative folk compared to the FF party who seem to have reached a plateau.

They (FF) will also find it tough to shake off the financial meltdown they had the country at only nine years ago.

FF only care that SF might very well make their brand as irrelevant political dinosaurs in comparison with their brand.

They can dress it up in whatever way they want to, but what it actually boils down to is that FF and FG have had the place to themselves for so bloody long that they don't want to embrace change, all this bluster about SF this and SF that is just that, bluster.

Truth is they just don't think anyone else should be allowed to govern, as they mistakenly believe that Ireland belongs to them.

I sent a few emails off this afternoon to some TDs from some of the smaller party's who may be approached by FF/ FG in the coming months, and informed them that they could potentially be singing their own party's death warrant if they allowed themselves to be mudguards for either or, and asked them to look at the fate of the Labour Party, the PDs and the mess the greens found themselves in last time.

Two party's pretending they're different, yet can collaborate to prevent anyone else countering their governance isn't on.

I suggest if other people share my thoughts, they should perhaps consider reminding their own TDs in their area of their thoughts, and remind them that when you give them a vote, it's not theirs to keep and you may well consider giving it to someone else next time.

It would be monumentally stupid for the likes of the socdems or greens who have actually just got some kind of a foothold rebuilding their party or in the case of the socdems - actually getting theirs of the ground to allow themselves to be used as buffers and cushions by the other two.

You might think it wouldn't make a difference, but believe me it will.

Why not just accept that Mary Lou's bluff has been called?
The bullying and intimidation suffered by the S.D.L.P. at the hands of Provo/S.F. scum should be enough of a warning to the small left wing groups in the Dail as to what the Shinners plans are for them

efanton · 14-02-2020 11:22PM

ted1 wrote: »

Since the election

SF, up the Ra.. people got really put off by this.
SF, we need Europe to pay for reunification. People are like WRF, mandate was housing and health. We made a mistake.

FF we won’t go to partnership with SF, fair play why would you go into a partner with a polar opposite party

FG, let SF go into government, it’ll be a **** storm they’ll fail and be wiped out next election

SF , blah blah people voted for change. No SF your vote grew by 10%. That’s all who voted for change for you. Far from a majority. You only had 24.5% and not enough like minded parties to form a government with

As usual you miss the point, but that happen when your view is totally blinkered.

Lets imagine it wasnt SF that surged ahead but instead it was Lab. What would be the result?

I'm pretty certain the first order of business for both FF and FG would be wanting their leaders head on a plate. Especially when both leaders had to wait for at least 5 counts to even get elected.

Next it would be the party faithful demanding that there be dramatic change in policy. They would want to know why their party lost at least 10 seats and more. There would be outright rebellion by the ordinary party members if significant and immediate changes were not put in place.

The reason you have FF and FG TD's deflecting to SF is because they know for a fact this election has been a total and utter disaster for both parties, and there's no other way to put it. By putting the onus on SF, FG and FF frontbenchers are hoping the storm will blow over in their own camps, by directing party members anger to SF.

The problem is now that those same FF FG front benchers know that they have backed themselves into a corner. They will do the very thing they promised not to do which is form a FF/FG coalition for which they know they will be punished by the electorate at the next election but also knowing that to go back to the polls is likely to see many more front benchers loses their seats.
The front benchers from both parties are in self preservation mode and that is the plain and simple truth.

Jinglejangle69 · 14-02-2020 11:22PM

maccored wrote: »

That she was trying to form a gov not that could never exist? How do you work that out? I don't ever remember sf saying they'd never go into gov with ff. in fact they always said they'd talk to everyone - which they tried to do.

You're just barking up the wrong tree. Wrong forest even.

It's ff and fg saying they won't talk to sf - not the other way around

She said she wants a government without FF or FG as it would a disaster for the country.

So she'll try form a government with the left knowing the numbers werent there.

For the 5th time, was she lying or is she bad at maths??

maccored · 14-02-2020 11:23PM

Edgware wrote: »

They haven't refused to form a government just a government with the Shinners.
We live in a democracy and political parties have this choice to reflect their supporters wishes. S.F
are just getting uppity because they know the game is up. Another four years sitting on the opposition bench will do them the world of good.
People will be fairly fed up of her whinging by then

I got as afar as your first line and decided not to bother reading more. They have brought on a stalemate by refusing to talk sf. If you don't understand that then good luck

14-02-2020 11:23PM

Interesting conversation between Billy Hutchinson and Eamon Dunphy on his podcast. This surge for SF is putting security at risk up north. SF don't seem to be very pragmatic with regards power sharing.

Tony EH · 14-02-2020 11:24PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

You're the one that responded to my original post

In which I said the following..

That's not people are saying though. Some folk are suggesting (facetiously in most cases) that FF and FG merge because there is little genuine difference between them nowadays.

That doesn't apply to the parties on the left, because it's a broader church of political opinion.

Personally, I don't care who merges or doesn't, because it's a all a fantasy anyway. But you seem to have a real bugbear for some reason.

maccored · 14-02-2020 11:25PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

She said she wants a government without FF or FG as it wobe a disaster for the country.

So she'll try form a government with the left knowing the numbers werent there.

For the 5th time, was she lying or is she bad at maths??

Christ on a bike

If FF has less power in gov than sf and the other left sides, then it wouldn't matter about ff. the fact you've asked 5 times says more about yourself than anyone

Jizique · 14-02-2020 11:26PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So why did Mary Lou try dorm a government with the leftists knowing the numbers didn't add up.

Would it be maybe she can tell her supporters that she tried but FF and FG wouldn't allow it?

And her loyal comrades will swallow it.

Lies.

She has controlled the media, the narrative, for the week.
Front page of every paper daily; main news item.
She is trying to put a govt together to implement “change” - which is what the people voted for, but is being blocked by FF (in particular).
She is trying hard to solve the homeless/housing/childcare issues because the people voted for “change”.
She is killing it - chapeau

ted1 · 14-02-2020 11:26PM

efanton wrote: »

As usual you miss the point, but that happen when your view is totally blinkered.

Lets imagine it wasnt SF they surged ahead but instead it was Lab. What would be the result?

The numbers don’t reflect such a surge,

FF have more seats
FG are only a few behind

24.5% V 22.2% v 20.9%

It’s not to different, from the way SF are talking you’d think they had 80%

Edgware · 14-02-2020 11:26PM

maccored wrote: »

I got as afar as your first line and decided not to bother reading more. They have brought on a stalemate by refusing to talk sf. If you don't understand that then good luck

I accept that you have a low attention threshold. Reading one liner propaganda statements has that effect

maccored · 14-02-2020 11:27PM

Edgware wrote: »

Why not just accept that Mary Lou's bluff has been called?
The bullying and intimidation suffered by the S.D.L.P. at the hands of Provo/S.F. scum should be enough of a warning to the small left wing groups in the Dail as to what the Shinners plans are for them

Just a simple idea - but wasn't it the voters in the north who stopped voting for the sdlp? It wasn't 'bullying and intimidation'. More of this dramatic bull****

ted1 · 14-02-2020 11:28PM

Jizique wrote: »

She is trying hard to solve the homeless/housing/childcare issues because the people voted for “change”.
She is killing it - chapeau

No she has focused on reunification this week not housing childcare or homeless.

Who voted for change. The greens and Soc Dems also got the change vote and could form part of a coalition

McMurphy · 14-02-2020 11:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting conversation between Billy Hutchinson and Eamon Dunphy on his podcast. This surge for SF is putting security at risk up north. SF don't seem to be very pragmatic with regards power sharing.

To be fair Dazzler, I think anyone reading this thread that stumbles across your posts should take them with a tri axle bathtub tipping body worth of salt.

Just a few days ago it was a bit of a revelation to you that SF were in favour of a united Ireland - the fact that they are a republican party with historical links to the provos obviously didn't make it bleedin obvious, wha. Now tonight you're posting stuff about Billy feckin Hutchinson saying things that might be seen as having a negative kick back against the shinners for Christ sake.

In other news, Darth Vader said Obi Wan Kenobi is a pansy.

Edgware · 14-02-2020 11:34PM

maccored wrote: »

Just a simple idea - but wasn't it the voters in the north who stopped voting for the sdlp? It wasn't 'bullying and intimidation'. More of this dramatic bull****

There are plenty of documented incidents of assaults, arson, verbal abuse of S.D.L.P. members by so called republican scum.

Enjoy listening to four years of whinging by m.l.m from the opposition bench. The Healy Rae crew will be great company

14-02-2020 11:35PM

McMurphy wrote: »

To be fair Dazzler, I think anyone reading this thread that stumbles across your posts should take them with a tri axle bathtub tipping body worth of salt.

Just a few days ago it was a bit of a revelation to you that SF were in favour of a united Ireland - the fact that they are a republican party with historical links to the provos obviously didn't make it bleedin obvious, wha. Now tonight you're posting stuff about Billy feckin Hutchinson saying things that might be seen as having a negative kick back against the shinners for Christ sake.

In other news, Darth Vader said Obi Wan Kenobi is a pansy.

What can I say? It's a rapidly moving situation.

UDAWINNER · 14-02-2020 11:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting conversation between Billy Hutchinson and Eamon Dunphy on his podcast. This surge for SF is putting security at risk up north. SF don't seem to be very pragmatic with regards power sharing.

Scumbag loyalist has a problem with SF, total shocker:)

McMurphy · 14-02-2020 11:36PM

ted1 wrote: »

The numbers don’t reflect such a surge,

FF have more seats
FG are only a few behind

24.5% V 22.2% v 20.9%

It’s not to different, from the way SF are talking you’d think they had 80%

You're counting the CC seat that they automatically retain, as opposed to having won it - yeah?

They both won 37 seats though.

McMurphy · 14-02-2020 11:39PM

Edgware wrote: »

Why not just accept that Mary Lou's bluff has been called?
The bullying and intimidation suffered by the S.D.L.P. at the hands of Provo/S.F. scum should be enough of a warning to the small left wing groups in the Dail as to what the Shinners plans are for them

The SDLP seen their vote collapse after the IRA ceasefire.

You're dribbling down your chin now.

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