new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

14-02-2020 05:06PM

Shivering, puking, gushing, bone pains, rapidly rising temperature, headache... a sea of misery now although I can type this between episodes... if I hadn’t taken that oral vaccine this morning I’d be getting worried.

circadian · 14-02-2020 05:09PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Shivering, puking, gushing, bone pains, rapidly rising temperature, headache... a sea of misery now although I can type this between episodes... if I hadn’t taken that oral vaccine this morning I’d be getting worried.

I hate some of those meds but like you say it's better than getting the real deal. Malaria meds usually send me into a paranoid delusion for about a week.

I've had a banging head cold all week and there's a part of my subconscious saying "you got it bro, game over" no fever so I'm good.

Duke of Url · 14-02-2020 05:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Shivering, puking, gushing, bone pains, rapidly rising temperature, headache... a sea of misery now although I can type this between episodes... if I hadn’t taken that oral vaccine this morning I’d be getting worried.

bodhrandude · 14-02-2020 05:17PM

A strange article I came across yesterday about a Coronavirus that affects dogs in Australia, although I don't think its related to Covid-19.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1242114/Coronavirus-latest-news-Australia-canine-coronavirus-dogs-virus-infect-pets

saabsaab · 14-02-2020 05:20PM

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

I've been thinking about how much virons you need to be exposed to , to become infected. Does anyone know?
I found one paper that says one molecule is enough. A viron is a virus particle

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090313150254.htm

More here
https://www.quora.com/How-many-individual-virus-are-needed-to-start-an-infection-Will-1-flu-virus-be-enough-to-make-you-sick-or-do-you-need-many-more-than-that

tldr, it depends on the virus type

In theory one but that will probably never be enough to cause infection. Body defences, acids etc.

However, unlike many people think, the virus is not floating around on its own but attached to droplets or dust particles in the air. Millions could be on one droplet and if it's lucky and you aren't you will be infected.

wadacrack · 14-02-2020 05:25PM

The Olympics in Tokyo looks under serious threat

cnocbui · 14-02-2020 05:28PM

wadacrack wrote: »

The Olympics in Tokyo looks under serious threat

The IOC must be voiding their collective waste repositories.

ObiTwoKenobi · 14-02-2020 05:29PM

creditcarder wrote: »

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fears-brit-backpacker-struck-down-21316748

Scary situation imo. Although, they did not mention Coronavirus and I am curious where he got the pneumonia.

Perhaps a bit early for corona virus, but something else just as dangerous. Very curious.

dominatinMC · 14-02-2020 05:31PM

fritzelly wrote: »

34 cases currently not including the ship

https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

(4 new cases since that was updated from what I can tell)

Cheers for the link. Unfortunately, my hope that this would be more-or-less confined to China is diminishing by the day. I guess that was a bit naive of me anyway. Hopefully, now that governments realise the severity of the situation, they can be proactive about it and not let it fester in the initial weeks - a la the Chinese. The heightened awareness should bring about more stringent measures, and to be fair it seems that a few of those Japanese cases are already traced to the source of infection - which is good, as the authorities can follow-up accordingly. I know the numbers outside of China are growing day-by-day, but hopefully the rate of this growth remains low (relative to China anyway). As others have alluded to, the next week will tell us a lot.

14-02-2020 05:32PM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Hong Kong schools closed till March 16, at least

A month from now... Chaos.

SeaBreezes · 14-02-2020 06:02PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

Cheers for the link. Unfortunately, my hope that this would be more-or-less confined to China is diminishing by the day. I guess that was a bit naive of me anyway. Hopefully, now that governments realise the severity of the situation, they can be proactive about it and not let it fester in the initial weeks - a la the Chinese. The heightened awareness should bring about more stringent measures, and to be fair it seems that a few of those Japanese cases are already traced to the source of infection - which is good, as the authorities can follow-up accordingly. I know the numbers outside of China are growing day-by-day, but hopefully the rate of this growth remains low (relative to China anyway). As others have alluded to, the next week will tell us a lot.

Apart from the infected man in London going to a Bus convention with 250 other (possible?) bus drivers...
it's all fine, just the flu...

wakka12 · 14-02-2020 06:03PM

wadacrack wrote: »

The Olympics in Tokyo looks under serious threat

Link? All I've heard is that they were determined that it would not be cancelled

BanditLuke · 14-02-2020 06:06PM

wadacrack wrote: »

The Olympics in Tokyo looks under serious threat

That will be the least of our worries by then. Think closer to home we will soon see Premiership football games being called off and concerts and the like.

ObiTwoKenobi · 14-02-2020 06:07PM

Just thinking about this. What are the chances that there are two viruses in circulation in China and beyond? Could it even be that the corona virus has mutated into a less (or more) harmful strain which is also in circulation at the same time as a previous strain. Any opinions on whether that is possible and/or likely?

fritzelly · 14-02-2020 06:07PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Link? All I've heard is that they were determined that it would not be cancelled

Still a long way off yet - if the virus continues on it won't be a case of cancelling, they'll be no countries going there to start with

dominatinMC · 14-02-2020 06:11PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Apart from the infected man in London going to a Bus convention with 250 other (possible?) bus drivers...
it's all fine, just the flu...

I never tried to downplay it as just the flu. Unless you can otherwise quote me?

Kermit.de.frog · 14-02-2020 06:14PM

The coming spring/summer is best chance of bringing this under control. Apparently the virus will not cope well in higher temps outside of winter. Until then chaos.

kenmc · 14-02-2020 06:16PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The coming spring/summer is best chance of bringing this under control. Apparently the virus will not cope well in higher temps outside of winter. Until then chaos.

Singapore not exactly cold though....

ObiTwoKenobi · 14-02-2020 06:17PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The coming spring/summer is best chance of bringing this under control. Apparently the virus will not cope well in higher temps outside of winter. Until then chaos.

But it's always winter somewhere in the world. That's why viruses circulate the world and show up again (or a mutation) in your location the following winter.

RebelButtMunch · 14-02-2020 06:18PM

kenmc wrote: »

Singapore not exactly cold though....

Yeah that's exactly true. High 20s there

givyjoe · 14-02-2020 06:19PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

That will be the least of our worries by then. Think closer to home we will soon see Premiership football games being called off and concerts and the like.

This is currently my second biggest worry! I've waited 30 years for a Liverpool league win!

Mic 1972 · 14-02-2020 06:20PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The coming spring/summer is best chance of bringing this under control. Apparently the virus will not cope well in higher temps outside of winter. Until then chaos.

I keep reading taht too and it's very reassuring, until you think about Thailand and Singapore where temperatures are currently over 25c and very humid, exactly the type of weather that should stop the spread. Then again temperatures in Europe reach 30c and over in the Summer so there is still hope

BanditLuke · 14-02-2020 06:20PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

I never tried to downplay it as just the flu. Unless you can otherwise quote me?

Don't know if poster is implying it was you but there was plenty of comments at the start of the thread about it only being a flu. It was obvious then it wasn't and surprise surprise those posters seem to have gone quiet on it now.

odyssey06 · 14-02-2020 06:26PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I keep reading taht too and it's very reassuring, until you think about Thailand and Singapore where temperatures are currently over 25c and very humid, exactly the type of weather that should stop the spread. Then again temperatures in Europe reach 30c and over in the Summer so there is still hope

I wonder would a dry heat be needed... could humid weather help spread it with so much moisture in the air?

14-02-2020 06:32PM

Dukoral vaccine side-effects update

The nausea has died away, stomach pain fading, temperature 101 and falling, fluid balance normalising. That’s on onset of cytokine reaction 4 and a half hours after vaccine ingestion, with symptoms starting to abate 2 and a half hours after that.

Yes, vaccines are worth it.

creditcarder · 14-02-2020 06:32PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I keep reading taht too and it's very reassuring, until you think about Thailand and Singapore where temperatures are currently over 25c and very humid, exactly the type of weather that should stop the spread. Then again temperatures in Europe reach 30c and over in the Summer so there is still hope

You can still get a cold/flue in teh summer, but it is a much lower risk

Yurt2 · 14-02-2020 06:32PM

ObiTwoKenobi wrote: »

Just thinking about this. What are the chances that there are two viruses in circulation in China and beyond? Could it even be that the corona virus has mutated into a less (or more) harmful strain which is also in circulation at the same time as a previous strain. Any opinions on whether that is possible and/or likely?

I don't know does this answer your question, or if I'm covering old ground that others have in the thread, but an Aus based specialist said on CNN today that this virus has mutated several times already and is notable for its extremely high mutation rate, which is why the Chinese can't nail it down.

Wibbs · 14-02-2020 06:40PM

Yurt! wrote: »

I don't know does this answer your question, or if I'm covering old ground that others have in the thread, but an Aus based specialist said on CNN today that this virus has mutated several times already and is notable for its extremely high mutation rate, which is why the Chinese can't nail it down.

Or, and this is just conjecture of course, it might not be the same virus in all cases and the test is giving false positives as well as negatives. This could go some way to explain how this virus seems to differ so much in transmission, progression, severity and morbidity when compared to previous coronaviruses that were similar like SARS and MERS.

cnocbui · 14-02-2020 06:41PM

Yurt! wrote: »

I don't know does this answer your question, or if I'm covering old ground that others have in the thread, but an Aus based specialist said on CNN today that this virus has mutated several times already and is notable for its extremely high mutation rate, which is why the Chinese can't nail it down.

Covid-19
Covid-19.1
Covid-19.1.2
Covid-19.2
Covid-19.2.1
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silverharp · 14-02-2020 06:48PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

They are not lecturing anyone.

Do you know about how the US treat Whistleblowers?

Yes or No?

Or we ignore that and only focus on China?

which country is having me think if I should book my summer holidays or potentially exposing me to a pneumonia inducing virus?

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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