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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #5942
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    9 more cases in Singapore. The highest total in one day since yesterday, which was 8


  • #5943
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Every day we get a new version of events that can be summarised in either of the below statements:

    It is worse than we thought

    OR

    It’s not as bad as we thought

    :)

    It's very worrying....


  • #5944
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I hate the word “flu” being bandied about by the general populace of the great unwashed :D Forgive be, it’s as an old hobby horse that I squirm when anyone describes a seasonal respiratory virus that they consider worse than a mere coryza and less than the plague as pertaining to the specific class of virus Influenza. I get myself into terrible bother when I take someone walking around with a nasty old cold and telling me they have “the flu”, pain the the @ss that I can be :D


    I had the flu once. It was fecking awful- I was in bed from Monday evening until Saturday (save an ill fated attempt to go to work Thursday afternoon loaded up in Lemsip etc but sent away drowning in sweat and then the next morning in the doctor's surgery wrapped up in winter clothes and shaking even though it was 20 degrees and the middle of July).

    I lost half a stone in weight through sweating in bed. Went through several bed sheets and t shirts that all had to be binned.

    The closest I have ever felt to dying.


  • #5945
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Theres a basic global standard to report on infections and deaths that china do not follow why should this be treated differently just to suit your argument? As far as im aware nobody else records deaths like they do.

    Are you guessing this or is this database easily accessible to view.

    I hope its not the WHO global standard. They are in bed with China.


  • #5946
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    It's very worrying....

    which part lol :D


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  • #5947
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    This is tinfoil hat stuff.

    There is no Global Standard to report on the Coronavirus Stats.

    Until there is an agreement GLOBALLY on how the stats and the data should be reported we can only go by what is available.

    There is no right or wrong data being reported until it is standardised based on everyones requirement.

    If individuals or countries want different formats then the numbers reported in each country will be wrong in comparison to the next country.

    And you don't think that for political, economic and cultural reasons (saving face), that China may not be so forthcoming with releasing the real data?

    We are talking about a de facto Totalitarian state here.


  • #5948
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,940 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    They are in bed with China.

    Ahh strawmanning the last gasp of a dying argument


  • #5949
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Unless its man flu, that's a real thing :D

    I remember somebody I worked with said, in his strong Dublin accent, “da fookin flu jab doesn’t wurk, I fookin got da flu four toimes last year-ar”.

    “Like he’ll you did”, I replied, having to dodge a blast of angry verbal diarrhoea.


  • #5950
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I hate the word “flu” being bandied about by the general populace of the great unwashed :D Forgive be, it’s as an old hobby horse that I squirm when anyone describes a seasonal respiratory virus that they consider worse than a mere coryza and less than the plague as pertaining to the specific class of virus Influenza. I get myself into terrible bother when I take on someone walking around with a nasty old cold and telling me they have “the flu”, pain the the @ss that I can be :D

    Excuse me! I wash! Sometimes more than once a week!!!! :-)


  • #5951
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    In allowing the Westerdam to dock, Cambodia are putting one of their lesser known holiday destinations, Sihanoukville, firmly on the tourist map for when this calamity has passed. People will think positively of the place, and could bring a bit of future prosperity to a seriously impoverished but lovely country. Have not been to that port city seaside resort, but I did get to stay in beautiful hotels in Phnom Pen and Siem Reap. Mmm, the food. Added tourism might help the country invest in medical care for their citizens, which is presently extremely poor.


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  • #5952
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

    We are talking about a de facto Totalitarian state here.

    Excuse me, the history of totalitarian governments and the cultures they promote are not relevant. The chinese healthy ministry SAID something, in a STATEMENT. Ergo, where is the evidence... in a complete media blackout (why?), internet firewall (why?) and extreme delay (why?) in allowing experts who will help the situation in.

    Even though just weeks ago the whole epidemic started with the bureaucracy entirely suppressing the information, now Xi has publicly decreed that everyone must be truthful. And so it was.


  • #5953
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Ahh strawmanning the last gasp of a dying argument

    But your the one who said it :confused:
    VinLieger wrote: »
    Its been well theorised the WHO are placating China because if they were to call a spade a spade and say anything bad about their actions they would be locked out completely.

    China already threaten to withold funding so as to not allow Taiwan participate in the WHO and they are one of the largest contributors.

    So yes while I would not say the WHO are maliciously involved in the under reporting they are simply doing what they have to to keep China working with them.

    Ill ask again why do you feel China deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt given literally all their governments history as regarding hiding things from their own people and the rest of the world


  • #5954
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    It's worse than that hes dead Jim!


    (Ya canny change the laws of physics)



    Thanks, now that's stuck in my head for the day :(

    Yes those are the lines initially, but as you hear from 2.55 from below, Dr McCoy says "It's worse than that it's physics Jim!"



  • #5955
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    And you don't think that for political, economic and cultural reasons (saving face), that China may not be so forthcoming with releasing the real data?

    We are talking about a de facto Totalitarian state here.

    Again what defines real data in relation to the Coronavirus which is new.. What is the Criteria for the data on the Coronavirus which is new.

    Where do I find this Criteria for the data on the Coronavirus which is new.?


  • #5956
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    wakka12 wrote: »
    9 more cases in Singapore. The highest total in one day since yesterday, which was 8

    Getting a march on now. Not good.


  • #5957
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    One thing has struck me, don’t know if brought up in the thread earlier. If somebody travels to hospital in an ambulance with suspected CoViD-19, what happens next with regard to that ambulance and personnel? Does it go for a clean down? Easier for staff to be sent for cleansing and others take over if there is a spirit of cooperation with all-hands-on-deck during a crisis, but there is overall a more limited number of ambulances on the ground. Others will still get hearts attacks, have accidents and need to get to use the ambulance service. What is our maximum ambulance resource in this scenario, anyone know?


  • #5958
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Deleted User wrote: »
    One thing has struck me, don’t know if brought up in the thread earlier. If somebody travels to hospital in an ambulance with suspected CoViD-19, what happens next with regard to that ambulance and personnel? Does it go for a clean down? Easier for staff to be sent for cleansing and others take over if there is a spirit of cooperation with all-hands-on-deck during a crisis, but there is overall a more limited number of ambulances on the ground. Others will still get hearts attacks, have accidents and need to get to use the ambulance service. What is our maximum ambulance resource in this scenario, anyone know?

    looks like completely disinfected after each trip.

    But it seem a lot of healthcare people have been infected now.
    Coronavirus Live Updates: China Says 1,700 Medical Workers Have Been Infected and six of them have died


  • #5959
    RebelButtMunch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    How come more people haven't been infected though flying? It seems like the opportunity was there


  • #5960
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,999 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    RebelButtMunch wrote: »
    How come more people haven't been infected though flying? It seems like the opportunity was there

    Maybe they have. Symptoms aren’t showing yet etc. Hopefully not.


  • #5961
    Ping Chow Chi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭Ping Chow Chi


    RebelButtMunch wrote: »
    How come more people haven't been infected though flying? It seems like the opportunity was there

    If this was a Hollywood film 99% of the passengers would have the virus within 2 minutes of the first cough.


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  • #5962
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,999 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Ping Chow Chi wrote: »
    If this was a Hollywood film 99% of the passengers would have the virus within 2 minutes of the first cough.

    No because Steven seagal or Wesley snipes would’ve stopped this virus in its tracks.


  • #5963
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Deleted User wrote: »
    One thing has struck me, don’t know if brought up in the thread earlier. If somebody travels to hospital in an ambulance with suspected CoViD-19, what happens next with regard to that ambulance and personnel? Does it go for a clean down? Easier for staff to be sent for cleansing and others take over if there is a spirit of cooperation with all-hands-on-deck during a crisis, but there is overall a more limited number of ambulances on the ground. Others will still get hearts attacks, have accidents and need to get to use the ambulance service. What is our maximum ambulance resource in this scenario, anyone know?
    Some sort of fumigation? Could be tricky however if not airtight or easy to make it so.

    Read somewhere entire wards can be sealed (taped up doors/windows) with some gas unit (ozone?) released inside, left to run for a while to reach every nook and cranny. Then the vast majority of this gas is vacumed back up again (into same unit) to steralise the complete area.


  • #5964
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,436 ✭✭✭circadian


    On a side note the air quality in some of these cities must be amazing compared to what they usually are.


  • #5965
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Ping Chow Chi wrote: »
    If this was a Hollywood film 99% of the passengers would have the virus within 2 minutes of the first cough.

    Air travel will soon be like this



  • #5966
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    I think they need Jack Bauer on the case. He'll sort that **** out.


  • #5967
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    2 more cases on an island in Japan
    https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f3ru5o/man_in_his_50s_diagnosed_with_ncov2019_in/
    No recent travel history


  • #5968
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    Christ, the chinese shills are getting repungant


    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/could-coronavirus-make-china-stronger-than-ever-10-trends-%E4%BB%81%E9%A3%9E%E6%89%AC/


  • #5969
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    circadian wrote: »
    On a side note the air quality in some of these cities must be amazing compared to what they usually are.

    When chlorine bleach combines with organic matter, chloroform is produced. Not sure how big a deal it is otherwise, but children under 6 are more likely to develop asthma if exposed to it too much.


  • #5970
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,274 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Dailymail so hate linking, trying to find better source https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8004013/Coronavirus-chaos-Heathrow-EIGHT-planes-lockdown-runway.html


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  • #5971
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    RebelButtMunch wrote: »
    How come more people haven't been infected though flying? It seems like the opportunity was there

    The epicenter for the outbreak is Wuhan. Lets say about 30,000(dont trust official data) were infected before the leaving that area was possible.

    Wuhan Population 11,000 million/30,000 infected. 0.3% Approx infected.

    Lets say 5,000 Irish people flew back from Wuhan(No idea about this). 0.3 % are infected its 150 Irish people . Thats with very high estimated numbers. Its possible we get lucky.

    Complete guesswork tho


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