new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

VinLieger · 14-02-2020 12:18PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

They are in bed with China.

Ahh strawmanning the last gasp of a dying argument

14-02-2020 12:22PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Unless its man flu, that's a real thing

I remember somebody I worked with said, in his strong Dublin accent, “da fookin flu jab doesn’t wurk, I fookin got da flu four toimes last year-ar”.

“Like he’ll you did”, I replied, having to dodge a blast of angry verbal diarrhoea.

SeaBreezes · 14-02-2020 12:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I hate the word “flu” being bandied about by the general populace of the great unwashed Forgive be, it’s as an old hobby horse that I squirm when anyone describes a seasonal respiratory virus that they consider worse than a mere coryza and less than the plague as pertaining to the specific class of virus Influenza. I get myself into terrible bother when I take on someone walking around with a nasty old cold and telling me they have “the flu”, pain the the @ss that I can be

Excuse me! I wash! Sometimes more than once a week!!!! :-)

14-02-2020 12:34PM

In allowing the Westerdam to dock, Cambodia are putting one of their lesser known holiday destinations, Sihanoukville, firmly on the tourist map for when this calamity has passed. People will think positively of the place, and could bring a bit of future prosperity to a seriously impoverished but lovely country. Have not been to that port city seaside resort, but I did get to stay in beautiful hotels in Phnom Pen and Siem Reap. Mmm, the food. Added tourism might help the country invest in medical care for their citizens, which is presently extremely poor.

Call Me Jimmy · 14-02-2020 12:39PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

We are talking about a de facto Totalitarian state here.

Excuse me, the history of totalitarian governments and the cultures they promote are not relevant. The chinese healthy ministry SAID something, in a STATEMENT. Ergo, where is the evidence... in a complete media blackout (why?), internet firewall (why?) and extreme delay (why?) in allowing experts who will help the situation in.

Even though just weeks ago the whole epidemic started with the bureaucracy entirely suppressing the information, now Xi has publicly decreed that everyone must be truthful. And so it was.

Duke of Url · 14-02-2020 12:41PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Ahh strawmanning the last gasp of a dying argument

But your the one who said it

VinLieger wrote: »

Its been well theorised the WHO are placating China because if they were to call a spade a spade and say anything bad about their actions they would be locked out completely.

China already threaten to withold funding so as to not allow Taiwan participate in the WHO and they are one of the largest contributors.

So yes while I would not say the WHO are maliciously involved in the under reporting they are simply doing what they have to to keep China working with them.

Ill ask again why do you feel China deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt given literally all their governments history as regarding hiding things from their own people and the rest of the world

14-02-2020 12:42PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

It's worse than that hes dead Jim!

(Ya canny change the laws of physics)

Thanks, now that's stuck in my head for the day

Yes those are the lines initially, but as you hear from 2.55 from below, Dr McCoy says "It's worse than that it's physics Jim!"

Duke of Url · 14-02-2020 12:42PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And you don't think that for political, economic and cultural reasons (saving face), that China may not be so forthcoming with releasing the real data?

We are talking about a de facto Totalitarian state here.

Again what defines real data in relation to the Coronavirus which is new.. What is the Criteria for the data on the Coronavirus which is new.

Where do I find this Criteria for the data on the Coronavirus which is new.?

BanditLuke · 14-02-2020 12:44PM

wakka12 wrote: »

9 more cases in Singapore. The highest total in one day since yesterday, which was 8

Getting a march on now. Not good.

14-02-2020 12:47PM

One thing has struck me, don’t know if brought up in the thread earlier. If somebody travels to hospital in an ambulance with suspected CoViD-19, what happens next with regard to that ambulance and personnel? Does it go for a clean down? Easier for staff to be sent for cleansing and others take over if there is a spirit of cooperation with all-hands-on-deck during a crisis, but there is overall a more limited number of ambulances on the ground. Others will still get hearts attacks, have accidents and need to get to use the ambulance service. What is our maximum ambulance resource in this scenario, anyone know?

Duke of Url · 14-02-2020 12:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

One thing has struck me, don’t know if brought up in the thread earlier. If somebody travels to hospital in an ambulance with suspected CoViD-19, what happens next with regard to that ambulance and personnel? Does it go for a clean down? Easier for staff to be sent for cleansing and others take over if there is a spirit of cooperation with all-hands-on-deck during a crisis, but there is overall a more limited number of ambulances on the ground. Others will still get hearts attacks, have accidents and need to get to use the ambulance service. What is our maximum ambulance resource in this scenario, anyone know?

looks like completely disinfected after each trip.

But it seem a lot of healthcare people have been infected now.

Coronavirus Live Updates: China Says 1,700 Medical Workers Have Been Infected and six of them have died

RebelButtMunch · 14-02-2020 12:58PM

How come more people haven't been infected though flying? It seems like the opportunity was there

tom1ie · 14-02-2020 01:01PM

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

How come more people haven't been infected though flying? It seems like the opportunity was there

Maybe they have. Symptoms aren’t showing yet etc. Hopefully not.

Ping Chow Chi · 14-02-2020 01:11PM

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

How come more people haven't been infected though flying? It seems like the opportunity was there

If this was a Hollywood film 99% of the passengers would have the virus within 2 minutes of the first cough.

tom1ie · 14-02-2020 01:16PM

Ping Chow Chi wrote: »

If this was a Hollywood film 99% of the passengers would have the virus within 2 minutes of the first cough.

No because Steven seagal or Wesley snipes would’ve stopped this virus in its tracks.

4068ac1elhodqr · 14-02-2020 01:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

One thing has struck me, don’t know if brought up in the thread earlier. If somebody travels to hospital in an ambulance with suspected CoViD-19, what happens next with regard to that ambulance and personnel? Does it go for a clean down? Easier for staff to be sent for cleansing and others take over if there is a spirit of cooperation with all-hands-on-deck during a crisis, but there is overall a more limited number of ambulances on the ground. Others will still get hearts attacks, have accidents and need to get to use the ambulance service. What is our maximum ambulance resource in this scenario, anyone know?

Some sort of fumigation? Could be tricky however if not airtight or easy to make it so.

Read somewhere entire wards can be sealed (taped up doors/windows) with some gas unit (ozone?) released inside, left to run for a while to reach every nook and cranny. Then the vast majority of this gas is vacumed back up again (into same unit) to steralise the complete area.

circadian · 14-02-2020 01:23PM

On a side note the air quality in some of these cities must be amazing compared to what they usually are.

Snow Garden · 14-02-2020 01:28PM

Ping Chow Chi wrote: »

If this was a Hollywood film 99% of the passengers would have the virus within 2 minutes of the first cough.

Air travel will soon be like this

partyguinness · 14-02-2020 01:35PM

I think they need Jack Bauer on the case. He'll sort that **** out.

wakka12 · 14-02-2020 01:44PM

2 more cases on an island in Japan
https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f3ru5o/man_in_his_50s_diagnosed_with_ncov2019_in/
No recent travel history

creditcarder · 14-02-2020 01:57PM

Christ, the chinese shills are getting repungant

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/could-coronavirus-make-china-stronger-than-ever-10-trends-%E4%BB%81%E9%A3%9E%E6%89%AC/

s7ryf3925pivug · 14-02-2020 02:11PM

circadian wrote: »

On a side note the air quality in some of these cities must be amazing compared to what they usually are.

When chlorine bleach combines with organic matter, chloroform is produced. Not sure how big a deal it is otherwise, but children under 6 are more likely to develop asthma if exposed to it too much.

pc7 · 14-02-2020 02:12PM

Dailymail so hate linking, trying to find better source https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8004013/Coronavirus-chaos-Heathrow-EIGHT-planes-lockdown-runway.html

wadacrack · 14-02-2020 02:12PM

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

How come more people haven't been infected though flying? It seems like the opportunity was there

The epicenter for the outbreak is Wuhan. Lets say about 30,000(dont trust official data) were infected before the leaving that area was possible.

Wuhan Population 11,000 million/30,000 infected. 0.3% Approx infected.

Lets say 5,000 Irish people flew back from Wuhan(No idea about this). 0.3 % are infected its 150 Irish people . Thats with very high estimated numbers. Its possible we get lucky.

Complete guesswork tho

BanditLuke · 14-02-2020 02:19PM

pc7 wrote: »

Dailymail so hate linking, trying to find better source https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8004013/Coronavirus-chaos-Heathrow-EIGHT-planes-lockdown-runway.html

Wonder if it's only a matter of time now before flights are grounded. An airplane surely would be the worst possible place to be if this goes as expected.

On a side note my daughters boyfriend works in Lidl and he texted her earlier saying it's been crazy busy this morning more than usual with people stocking up on essentials.

creditcarder · 14-02-2020 02:20PM

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fears-brit-backpacker-struck-down-21316748

Scary situation imo. Although, they did not mention Coronavirus and I am curious where he got the pneumonia.

Drumpot · 14-02-2020 02:22PM

If we just look outside of China it seems like the rate of spreading is slow, certainly in terms of confirmed cases. I appreciate there is a lag time of maybe 2 weeks for symptoms to show, but I am surprised there is not a consistently increasing graph outside of China.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/

If you scroll down to "Total cases outside of China" the graph since Jan 22nd is not particularly concerning , certainly not to an intrained eye like mine.

For the last 2 weeks, the average growth of confirmed cases has been 12% per day but the difference has been between 1% and 23.3% that might be down to how countries are deciding how to manage/report suspected cases. The alternative explanation is that the virus does not spread as easily as the Chinese have suggested (airbourne) and there just are not that many people infected or passing it on outside of China.

The growth outside of China for the first 8 days (excluding day 1) was 65%. Again, perhaps the slowdown in growth has most countries in a complacent state or maybe they have genuine reason to believe its slowly or wont become a pandemic. Again , a little bit of context or narrative on why this might be the case would be welcome.

Seems a bit hard to understand, especially as whatever WHO and for example the USA know about it, they are taking this very seriously.

Perhaps its this really slow growth rate that has people switching out or not really concerned. That's when you need somebody with a bit of knowledge to come out and explain why its slow or least a reasonably credible hypothesis on it.

MD1990 · 14-02-2020 02:45PM

the virus seems to really effect the lungs.

Looking like the air quality in asia is playing major role in the spread.
Probably why it hasn't spread too much in Europe so far.

cnocbui · 14-02-2020 02:46PM

pc7 wrote: »

Dailymail so hate linking, trying to find better source https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8004013/Coronavirus-chaos-Heathrow-EIGHT-planes-lockdown-runway.html

The Dailymail is the best source for breaking news I know of, If you have some discernment and intelligence. It is dire for the thick and easily lead. People on Boards are very silly about it.

cnocbui · 14-02-2020 02:54PM

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

How come more people haven't been infected though flying? It seems like the opportunity was there

I was just reading something yesterday about flying and it was said to be same from the point of view of the air in the plane is passed through medical grade filtration. The expert didn't mention the problem that on longer flights, everyone on board is going to use the toilet. Emphasised hand washing, of course.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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