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Tony EH · 14-02-2020 01:10PM

shenanagans wrote: »

SF are left. FG are right. Talk about what???

They have completely different outlooks.....they couldn't form a program for govt.

Labour are left and Fine Gael are right and they've been in government a few times. In the 90's FG was even in power the Democratic Left.

So, they can talk to each other when they want to.

salmocab · 14-02-2020 01:15PM

seamus wrote: »

Well the Healy-Raes can apparently be in two places at once; attending an event in Kerry and swiping into Leinster house to claim expenses at the same time. So that's 6 votes.

You can accuse the Healy Raes of a lot of things but not of voting in the dail

McMurphy · 14-02-2020 01:19PM

shenanagans wrote: »

SF are left. FG are right. Talk about what???

They have completely different outlooks.....they couldn't form a program for govt.

Labour are members of the Party of European Socialists, yet they've governed with them (which looks like the kiss of death to them now mind you) and would do so again I reckon.

Square that circle please.

McMurphy · 14-02-2020 01:46PM

salmocab wrote: »

You can accuse the Healy Raes of a lot of things but not of voting in the dail

seamus wrote: »

Well the Healy-Raes can apparently be in two places at once; attending an event in Kerry and swiping into Leinster house to claim expenses at the same time. So that's 6 votes.

Enda Kenny too. Though Enda pulled off the amazing and enviable feat of being in different Feckin countries at the same time.

Sweet.Science · 14-02-2020 01:49PM

Fine Gael are right wing?

Tony EH · 14-02-2020 01:51PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Fine Gael are right wing?

They're neo liberal conservatives. So yes, they're on the right.

Ush1 · 14-02-2020 01:52PM

These stories about the SF TDs are tip of the iceberg stuff I reckon.

SafeSurfer · 14-02-2020 01:56PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Labour are left and Fine Gael are right and they've been in government a few times. In the 90's FG was even in power the Democratic Left.

So, they can talk to each other when they want to.

Absolutely. The Democratic Left was formerly the Workers Party which was formerly Sinn Fein -The Workers Party. Democratic Left was formed after revelation of continued links between the workers party and the Official IRA. The collapse of communism throughout Europe also forced them to accept free market capitalism.

14-02-2020 02:07PM

McMurphy wrote: »

For those of us who didn't hear it, anything in particular he was lying about?

Forgive me for being skeptical, considering your earlier posts In the thread, I'm leaning towards you spouting bollocks tbch.

I highly doubt he did not hear of the story which he claimed to not know about, refused to even attempt to discuss it then. He also basically blamed the paper for wiring the article rather than focus on the issue.

He claimed Over and over the vast majority of the country want change - wrong

He bizarrely claimed the vast majority of FF voters what change - wrong

He claimed that FF voters don’t want FF in government - bizarre

He claimed nobody in the county wants Varadkar - wrong, FG had almost the same percentage vote as SF so in other words just as many people want Leo and MLM.

That’s the bits I remember anyway.

is_that_so · 14-02-2020 02:09PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

SF has now definitively accepted that this can't happen
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fianna-f%C3%A1il-arrogant-and-reckless-for-snubbing-sinn-f%C3%A9in-says-%C3%B3-broin-1.4173581?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Ffianna-f%25C3%25A1il-arrogant-and-reckless-for-snubbing-sinn-f%25C3%25A9in-says-%25C3%25B3-broin-1.4173581

Probably recognising that in encouraging SF to go down this road, FF and FG were setting an elephant trap for Mary Lou

They didn't need to, a child of six could add up the numbers.

Suckit · 14-02-2020 02:13PM

All the other parties should cry into their cornflakes and refuse to coalesce with the parties that got more votes than them, to show FG how ridiculous it looks.

I see Helen McEntee is 10/1 to be the next leader of FG :eek: She crept up fast. Ahead of Josepha, Harris and Murphy.

SafeSurfer · 14-02-2020 02:18PM

Sinn Fein are coming across as desperate now to get into government.
They campaigned on not having FF or FG in government and are now tripping over themselves to put FF in government.
It seems like a strange and hypocritical position.

Loafing Oaf · 14-02-2020 02:24PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Sinn Fein are coming across as desperate now to get into government.
They campaigned on not having FF or FG in government and are now tripping over themselves to put FF in government.

That'll die down pretty quick. They've accepted they can't form their 'united left' and they'll surely soon have to accept FF are not for turning on coalition.

Their line will soon turn to: "There's nothing more we can do. FF & FG, get on with it, or else give us another election."

14-02-2020 02:26PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Sinn Fein are coming across as desperate now to get into government.
They campaigned on not having FF or FG in government and are now tripping over themselves to put FF in government.
It seems like a strange and hypocritical position.

I think it's just posturing. Sinn Fein would be better off in opposition, and come back in a few years and try to win 60 seats.

super_furry · 14-02-2020 02:27PM

Mad how people are acting as if Sinn Fein have a mandate to form a majority government. They don't and neither does anyone else.

Mantis Toboggan · 14-02-2020 02:33PM

super_furry wrote: »

Mad how people are acting as if Sinn Fein have a mandate to form a majority government. They don't and neither does anyone else.

True FF have the most seats so the onus is on them to get moving but they're coming off their 2nd worst election in history and FG their worst election since the 40's so I'm sure they're still dissecting that.

They'd want to get a move on though, the longer they drag it out the worse it will look for them.

Plumbthedepths · 14-02-2020 02:47PM

super_furry wrote: »

Mad how people are acting as if Sinn Fein have a mandate to form a majority government. They don't and neither does anyone else.

Correct but all parties have a mandate to try and form a government, not to run off the pitch.

limnam · 14-02-2020 02:49PM

Grayson Tasty Springboard wrote: »

I
He claimed Over and over the vast majority of the country want change - wrong

80% of the country didn't vote for the current government.

If that's not a request for change by the majority. what is it?

is_that_so · 14-02-2020 02:56PM

The entertainment goes on. It makes me laugh with all the umbrage taken at the FF & FG positions.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0214/1115197-sf-ff-election-talks/

Plumbthedepths · 14-02-2020 02:58PM

FF honouring their promise not to go into government with FG., lol.

Éamon Ó Cuív says he's 'completely against' Fianna Fáil going into coalition with Fine Gael and Greens https://jrnl.ie/5007489

Horsebox9000 · 14-02-2020 03:03PM

limnam wrote: »

80% of the country didn't vote for the current government.

If that's not a request for change by the majority. what is it?

Ha

celt262 · 14-02-2020 03:07PM

limnam wrote: »

80% of the country didn't vote for the current government.

If that's not a request for change by the majority. what is it?

37.1% of the country didn't bother voting atall.

Plumbthedepths · 14-02-2020 03:26PM

celt262 wrote: »

37.1% of the country didn't bother voting atall.

Well some of them couldn't as they presently reside in a graveyard. My grandparents both got polling cards. '97 and ' 06 was the date of their deaths.

JohnnyFlash · 14-02-2020 03:27PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Well some of them couldn't as they presently reside in a graveyard. My grandparents both got polling cards. '97 and ' 06 was the date of their dates.

Did you use them?

Plumbthedepths · 14-02-2020 03:29PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Did you use them?

Voter fraud? No lad I leave that up to others.

McMurphy · 14-02-2020 03:33PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The entertainment goes on. It makes me laugh with all the umbrage taken at the FF & FG positions.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0214/1115197-sf-ff-election-talks/

Read the headline but not the rest as I'm about to go into a meeting with work, but McDonald would be giving sound advice imo.

The greens already said that they didn't think FF back in represented change, and they got wiped out in 2011.

Labour met the same fate in 16.

I would sincerely hope Murphy/Shorthall won't get lured into being mudguards or fallguys seeing as they're a relatively new party just getting established.

Though I suspect/hope they're waaaaaaay too savvy for the gombeens in FF/FG anyway.

Plus, Murphy was instrumental in calling out the shenanigans in Irish water, wonder when the siteserv enquiry will be published.

I'll read the article in full later when I'm free.

celt262 · 14-02-2020 03:33PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Voter fraud? No lad I leave that up to others.

I got 2 card myself so it was 2 votes for change.

Suckit · 14-02-2020 03:47PM

Anyone know how to check the odds of Leo gone before Easter? Can't find it on Paddy Power site.

Loafing Oaf · 14-02-2020 04:04PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

FF honouring their promise not to go into government with FG., lol.

Éamon Ó Cuív says he's 'completely against' Fianna Fáil going into coalition with Fine Gael and Greens https://jrnl.ie/5007489

The promise was not to form a full coalition. Martin left the door (slightly) open to a minority FF government supported by FG. Coveney has spoken strongly against this but it's not ultimately his call. So Confidence & Supply II could be formed without anybody breaking red lines but the numbers make it very difficult...

Damien360 · 14-02-2020 04:12PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

The promise was not to form a full coalition. Martin left the door (slightly) open to a minority FF government supported by FG. Coveney has spoken strongly against this but it's not ultimately his call. So Confidence & Supply II could be formed without anybody breaking red lines but the numbers make it very difficult...

Confidence in supply again would go down like a lead balloon. Both got a kicking and didn’t bother to listen. How can we go without formation of a government by any side ? Who gets to call time ?

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