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14-02-2020 01:21AM

A united Ireland is a good 20 years ago imo, maybe even more. It'll happen eventually but probably needs a few stars to align.

efanton · 14-02-2020 01:21AM

charlie14 wrote: »

You were hoping over and back between SF and FG up to a few days before the election.
From reading the above it sounds as if you are perhaps still ensure even after, as you have said, opting for SF
I have always been of the opinion that SF`s primary political aim was, and still is, a United Ireland.

It certainly is, and I'm all for a United Ireland myself as long as those in the North want it and it can be afforded.

As I have shown above the cost is not an issue.

Will there ever be a time when the majority in the North want a United Ireland I believe it to be the case. It will not happen in the next 5 years of that we can be certain, but it probably will happen in the next 2 or 3 decades.

The problem is in the republic there hasnt really been much thought put into it at a government level. Personally I think this is a huge mistake, no matter what the current government view point on a United Ireland is. If its virtually inevitable surely some basic planning or feasibility study should be put in place.

Even if to were just to access what would be required to be done to amalgamate service, road signs currency, education etc, etc. We as a nation should be able to say with reasonable clarity how much that would cost, and how long it would take. Something properly planned for is usually far far cheaper than something that is not. Just look at the Children's Hospital for an example of that.

Blaze420 · 14-02-2020 01:22AM

efanton wrote: »

Why would it be ludicrous. A united Ireland could only happen if the Unionist actually wanted it. So if they wanted it why would they try to derail it.

Surely you have a better argument than that.

Economy is the main one, we simply can’t afford another 6 counties on our current budget

efanton · 14-02-2020 01:31AM

Blaze420 wrote: »

Economy is the main one, we simply can’t afford another 6 counties on our current budget

Obviously you didn't read my post above where I showed how that British subvention was made up.

The numbers, verifiable numbers if you cared to check for yourself, prove otherwise.

The argument that we cant afford it is a red herring put out there by people that either have no interest in a United Ireland or are looking after their own political arse. I dont like what the Unionist stand for or they way they behave, but I'm certain the nonsense we have to put up with in the Dail would not be tolerated by them. If 1.8 million people from the North were added to our population, 60% of whom would have a vote do you honestly thing we would still have a two party system. The biggest reason why most politician here in the republic reject the idea of a United Ireland has more to do with protecting themselves than what would be better for the country as a whole.

charlie14 · 14-02-2020 01:37AM

efanton wrote: »

It certainly is, and I'm all for a United Ireland myself as long as those in the North want it and it can be afforded.

As I have shown above the cost is not an issue.

Will there ever be a time when the majority in the North want a United Ireland I believe it to be the case. It will not happen in the next 5 years of that we can be certain, but it probably will happen in the next 2 or 3 decades.

The problem is in the republic there hasnt really been much thought put into it at a government level. Personally I think this is a huge mistake, no matter what the current government view point on a United Ireland is. If its virtually inevitable surely some basic planning or feasibility study should be put in place.

Even if to were just to access what would be required to be done to amalgamate service, road signs currency, education etc, etc. We as a nation should be able to say with reasonable clarity how much that would cost, and how long it would take. Something properly planned for is usually far far cheaper than something that is not. Just look at the Children's Hospital for an example of that.

The main driver for a United Ireland in the north will end up having little to do with political affiliations, it will come down to where they will be better off.
If Brexit is a disaster for Britain they will opt for a UI. A success for Britain and I could see them opting otherwise.
Personally I`m in favour, but get involved in a casual discussion with any group here on the subject and very quickly the eyes of the vast majority glaze over and the topic is changed pronto.
The vast majority here I believe will pay it lip service. Convincing them to vote for it could be a whole different matter.

amadangomor · 14-02-2020 01:38AM

efanton wrote: »

Obviously you didn't read my post above where I showed how that British subvention was made up.

The numbers, verifiable numbers if you cared to check for yourself, prove otherwise.

The argument that we cant afford it is a red herring put out there by people that either have no interest in a United Ireland or are looking after their own political arse. I dont like what the Unionist stand for or they way they behave, but I'm certain the nonsense we have to put up with in the Dail would not be tolerated by them. If 1.8 million people from the North were added to our population, 60% of whom would have a vote do you honestly thing we would still have a two party system. The biggest reason why most politician here in the republic reject the idea of a United Ireland has more to do with protecting themselves than what would be better for the country as a whole.

The likes of you with your non acceptance of unionism as a legitimate viewpoint are the biggest obstacle to a united Ireland.

efanton · 14-02-2020 02:03AM

amadangomor wrote: »

The likes of you with your non acceptance of unionism as a legitimate viewpoint are the biggest obstacle to a united Ireland.

Where did you get that idea.

If there was a United Ireland I would have absolutely no problem with an Orange Parade down O'Connell Street

There would only be a United Ireland if both communities accepted each others traditions and I am quite happy with that.

14-02-2020 07:54AM

Northern Ireland has a massive public sector. 220,000 or so. Afaik, we have 300,000 or so in the south.

To say we can't afford the north is hardly a radical statement. We are just threading water ourselves and are incredibly exposed when the next recession hits.

Idbatterim · 14-02-2020 08:55AM

Great to see the really important things have already been sorted

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/parachute-payments-of-2m-for-tds-and-senators-who-lost-seats-1.4171882?mode=amp

Lewis_Benson · 14-02-2020 09:00AM

6 wrote: »

A united Ireland is a good 20 years ago imo, maybe even more. It'll happen eventually but probably needs a few stars to align.

It wont happen...

1. We cant afford Northern Ireland
2. That ship sailed a very long time ago.

McMurphy · 14-02-2020 09:02AM

Haven't read through the last pages since about 2200 last night, but according to Newstalk - Heather Humphreys saying don't be surprised if there's another election.

Lewis_Benson · 14-02-2020 09:04AM

6 wrote: »

A united Ireland is a good 20 years ago imo, maybe even more. It'll happen eventually but probably needs a few stars to align.

It wont happen...

1. We cant afford Northern Ireland
2. That ship sailed a very long time ago.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 14-02-2020 09:07AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Haven't read through the last pages since about 2200 last night, but according to Newstalk - Heather Humphreys saying don't be surprised if there's another election.

That's bad news for the shinners. I really think the UP the RA stuff will damage them. I've also heard this time it will be held mid week close to college exams so lots of the spotty faced socialists won't be able to get home.

I very much feel this will be like Lisbon treaty vote. People have had their protest and will now go back to normality.

Yurt2 · 14-02-2020 09:09AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Haven't read through the last pages since about 2200 last night, but according to Newstalk - Heather Humphreys saying don't be surprised if there's another election.

The historical 'big two' are going to have another very very rough day. And they deserve it.

Whatever about their red lines about SF, they both held to that and are entitled to hold to it given their pre-election stances. But their refusal to countenance a coalition with each other should lead to them being pummeled further.

The TDs in those parties looking forward to kicking up their heels in opposition will have to entertain the idea they'll be issued with p45s soon. I don't know how you could possibly sell yourself to the electorate bar the hardcore vote if another election comes to pass.

fiona_b · 14-02-2020 09:11AM

Used to live in Ulster: great memories!

Damien360 · 14-02-2020 09:17AM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

That's bad news for the shinners. I really think the UP the RA stuff will damage them. I've also heard this time it will be held mid week close to college exams so lots of the spotty faced socialists won't be able to get home.

I very much feel this will be like Lisbon treaty vote. People have had their protest and will now go back to normality.

I don’t think the up the Ra stuff hurt them at all. The narrative very quickly was about his right to say whatever and sure does it matter.

SF will get stronger if FF/FG do a shared coalition. Basically they didn’t listen to the voters. A snap election may benefit FF and FG but only for this one. Housing is the poison chalice that will damage whatever government, including SF, that touches it.

McMurphy · 14-02-2020 09:20AM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

That's bad news for the shinners. I really think the UP the RA stuff will damage them. I've also heard this time it will be held mid week close to college exams so lots of the spotty faced socialists won't be able to get home.

I very much feel this will be like Lisbon treaty vote. People have had their protest and will now go back to normality.

Paddy, l hate to be the one to break this to you, but in all honesty I don't even read the scutter you post anymore.

Suffice to say the above which I've quoted more than likely is something along the lines of how Sinn Fein will not win anymore seats, communism or the Provos, and repeating your new found allegiance to FF.

Am I right?

Damien360 · 14-02-2020 09:20AM

Just thinking the sudden United Ireland talk that was not present during or in the run up to the elections may do more damage to SF. Not voters priority at all but they are posting this as high up the list.

McMurphy · 14-02-2020 09:25AM

Yurt! wrote: »

The historical 'big two' are going to have another very very rough day. And they deserve it.

Whatever about their red lines about SF, they both held to that and are entitled to hold to it given their pre-election stances. But their refusal to countenance a coalition with each other should lead to them being pummeled further.

The TDs in those parties looking forward to kicking up their heels in opposition will have to entertain the idea they'll be issued with p45s soon. I don't know how you could possibly sell yourself to the electorate bar the hardcore vote if another election comes to pass.

Fergus O'Dowd last night said he was told in no uncertain terms at the doors how people wanted a change.

What does Fergus think will await him now when he has to go back to them same doors and people ask him why the change they asked for didn't happen because FG and FF refused to talk to the other party that won the popular vote?

One of the two local FF lads here lost his seat, I look forward to Lawless and Durkin (I was gutted he got back in, but respect his mandate) knocking on my door in the next short while if it happens again.

FF/FG really in self destruct more ATM.

14-02-2020 09:34AM

Eoin O Brion making a right fool of himself on newstalk this morning. Talking absolute rubbish, basically lying, unable to address questions. Sums up SF really. Some of the stuff he came out with was absolutely comical.

Plumbthedepths · 14-02-2020 09:35AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Fergus O'Dowd last night said he was told in no uncertain terms at the doors how people wanted a change.

What does Fergus think will await him now when he has to go back to them same doors and people ask him why the change they asked for didn't happen because FG and FF refused to talk to the other party that won the popular vote?

One of the two local FF lads here lost his seat, I look forward to Lawless and Durkin (I was gutted he got back in, but respect his mandate) knocking on my door in the next short while if it happens again.

FF/FG really in self destruct more ATM.

There won't be another GE , many of the present FF/FG TD's scrapped in by the skin of their teeth they ain't going to risk the ire of the public if they are seen to be acting like irresponsible gob****es.

LeinsterDub · 14-02-2020 09:47AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

There won't be another GE , many of the present FF/FG TD's scrapped in by the skin of their teeth they ain't going to risk the ire of the public if they are seen to be acting like irresponsible gob****es.

Where will they find the 10 plus votes they need if the Greens say no?

hmmm · 14-02-2020 09:51AM

It's all very well singing songs down the pub and shouting "up the ra" when pissed, but a lot of people are suddenly realising they may have put the men in balaclavas into power - "we'll break the free state" as they say themselves. If the kids are voting for SF and don't quite realise what exactly they are really voting for, there is an onus on the other parties to do what they can to control them until that maturity arrives.

FG won't go into government with them, they are at opposite ends of the spectrum politically and socially. FG and FF don't want to go into government together, as it opens the door for SF to hoover up any opposition votes.

It has to be a FF government, with SF Ministers. They won't be long being found out when asked to make some actual decisions.

McMurphy · 14-02-2020 09:51AM

Grayson Tasty Springboard wrote: »

Eoin O Brion making a right fool of himself on newstalk this morning. Talking absolute rubbish, basically lying, unable to address questions. Sums up SF really. Some of the stuff he came out with was absolutely comical.

For those of us who didn't hear it, anything in particular he was lying about?

Forgive me for being skeptical, considering your earlier posts In the thread, I'm leaning towards you spouting bollocks tbch.

LeinsterDub · 14-02-2020 09:58AM

McMurphy wrote: »

For those of us who didn't hear it, anything in particular he was lying about?

Forgive me for being skeptical, considering your earlier posts In the thread, I'm leaning towards you spouting bollocks tbch.

He was very wishy-washy on this issue
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5096652/sinn-fein-violet-anne-wynne-charity-rent-arrears/

limnam · 14-02-2020 10:02AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

He was very wishy-washy on this issue
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5096652/sinn-fein-violet-anne-wynne-charity-rent-arrears/

Hopefully we'll start talking about things that matter soon.

I imagine she hasn't had a pay cheque yet and maybe I missed it but I didn't see where she refused anything.

smurgen · 14-02-2020 10:05AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

He was very wishy-washy on this issue
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5096652/sinn-fein-violet-anne-wynne-charity-rent-arrears/

I heard him and he sounded completely believeable.he is head and shoulders above the competition in any other party as is Pearse Doherty who demolished Simon Coveney on newstalk a few weeks back. FG/FF will fear going back to the polls because theses two have done a sterling job on anything I've heard them on since the election.

Yurt2 · 14-02-2020 10:07AM

smurgen wrote: »

I heard him and he sounded completely believeable.he is head and shoulders above the competition in any other party as is Pearse Doherty who demolished Simon Coveney on newstalk a few weeks back. FG/FF will fear going back to the polls because theses two have done a sterling job on anything I've heard them on since the election.

Love em or loath them, and I wouldn't be entirely uncritical of them myself, but the trio of O'Broin, Doherty and Mary Lou are formidable and spook FF and FG big time.

They are perhaps overly reliant on those three, but to be honest, FF and FG aren't exactly awash with talent themselves.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 14-02-2020 10:08AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Paddy, l hate to be the one to break this to you, but in all honesty I don't even read the scutter you post anymore.

Suffice to say the above which I've quoted more than likely is something along the lines of how Sinn Fein will not win anymore seats, communism or the Provos, and repeating your new found allegiance to FF.

Am I right?

I know you're not a fan of reading posts with "big words" but of you want to know the content you'll just have to read the thing, capiche?

Pintman Paddy Losty · 14-02-2020 10:11AM

Any shinners here want to defend their new Clare TD?

A sponger in a charity social house refusing to pay the paltry 63e a week she owed.

An anti vaxxer and fraudster. That's the calibre of candidate the shinners have.

Pathetic.

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