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GE Exit Poll 10 pm

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  • #5912
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    listermint wrote: »
    SD Mets with FF and outcome is...


    https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1228048335354941440?s=20
    Only Greens left...will they bend?:D


  • #5913
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Neither of those links demonstrate that a majority of voters aged 18-65 voted for Sinn Féin. You're mistaking 'majority' for most popular party.

    Right, I think you know exactly what I meant though.
    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    It was just your use of the word majority. I knew you didn't mean that more than 50% of voters in that age group voted SF. But it could be read that way.

    Thank you, the pedants are out in force tonight!

    However you choose to read it, Sinn Féin were by far the most popular choice for younger voters and I think it is an awful mistake to discount them the way FFG are currently doing.


  • #5914
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Doesn't look like FF or FG wants to risk it with SF So it's FF, FG and Greens, or another election. .

    The former option will be stable but they'll be get hammered next election.

    The latter is a risk for FF and FG. Maybe even a risk for SF but they've less to lose.

    Not sure another election solves much.


  • #5915
    efanton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭efanton


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Neither of those links demonstrate that a majority of voters aged 18-65 voted for Sinn Féin. You're mistaking 'majority' for most popular party.

    Seriously what is the difference unless you are wishing to rewrite history in some way.

    FF and FG got their arses kicked, its done its over, and no bending of statistics is going to heal their bruises.
    I would sooner hear FF and FG accepting that they have made mistakes and how they are going to address that, and their supporters actually applying pressure to ensure those changes get made before both parties implode.


  • #5916
    Billcarson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Right, I think you know exactly what I meant though.



    Thank you, the pedants are out in force tonight!

    However you choose to read it, Sinn Féin were by far the most popular choice for younger voters and I think it is an awful mistake to discount them the way FFG are currently doing.

    FFG will discount them at their peril,hopefully in time it will be the younger people that will finish those ****ers off for good.


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  • #5917
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,223 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    6 wrote: »
    Doesn't look like FF or FG wants to risk it with SF So it's FF, FG and Greens, or another election. .

    The former option will be stable but they'll be get hammered next election.

    The latter is a risk for FF and FG. Maybe even a risk for SF but they've less to lose.

    Not sure another election solves much.

    Predicting the outcome of the next election just now is fraught with danger. Other parties have had surges and then went backwards. That could happen to SF.


  • #5918
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Only Greens left...will they bend?:D

    Why not? It went so well for them last time they got into bed with FF after all...:pac:


  • #5919
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,243 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Only Greens left...will they bend?:D

    Moths to a flame.
    Thing is, they will cost us money and grief over the term of government and there will be no discernible improvement to point to.
    The electorate once again will show them no mercy.


  • #5920
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Predicting the outcome of the next election just now is fraught with danger. Other parties have had surges and then went backwards. That could happen to SF.

    Absolutely. I don't think they'd fall backwards too much and could well gain a few. Fianna Fail would be taking the biggest risk with another election imo. Lose more seats and Martin would probably have to resign.


  • #5921
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Predicting the outcome of the next election just now is fraught with danger. Other parties have had surges and then went backwards. That could happen to SF.

    The most recent surges were FG and Labour both in 2011, after the shambles FF left the state in. Labour has suffered disproportionately in relation to FG's losses since 2011. I suspect Labour will either merge with the Soc Dems or cease to exist after another election cycle or two. The stranglehold of the other two appears to be broken and they have lost the trust of a significant amount of the under 50's. It appears it was only the over 65's that halted the decimation of FG/FF.
    As for SF I suspect they are above where they should be but a few years as the lead opposition party who knows, even that position will give them legitimacy that they wouldn't ordinarily enjoy.
    We are not yet ready for a leftist government but several European countries have and have had leftist governments without imploding.
    Just my opinion


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  • #5922
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,223 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Moths to a flame.
    Thing is, they will cost us money and grief over the term of government and there will be no discernible improvement to point to.
    The electorate once again will show them no mercy.

    If we get some almighty hurricanes, floods, droughts and fires it could work out in their favour.


  • #5923
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The most recent surges were FG and Labour both in 2011, after the shambles FF left the state in. Labour has suffered disproportionately in relation to FG's losses since 2011. I suspect Labour will either merge with the Soc Dems or cease to exist after another election cycle or two. The stranglehold of the other two appears to be broken and they have lost the trust of a significant amount of the under 50's. It appears it was only the over 65's that halted the decimation of FG/FF.
    As for SF I suspect they are above where they should be but a few years as the lead opposition party who knows, even that position will give them legitimacy that they wouldn't ordinarily enjoy.
    We are not yet ready for a leftist government but several European countries have and have had leftist governments without imploding.
    Just my opinion

    Funny, I think Labour are the best placed to capture SFs vote when the time comes. What they'll need is SF in government though, and to perform badly while there.


  • #5924
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,243 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    If we get some almighty hurricanes, floods, droughts and fires it could work out in their favour.

    Not getting them is what we'll be paying for. :)


  • #5925
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    6 wrote: »
    Funny, I think Labour are the best placed to capture SFs vote when the time comes. What they'll need is SF in government though, and to perform badly while there.
    Nothing of what I have seen in the last 9 years allows me to agree with you. Labour are toxic and even more so if Alan Kelly secures the leadership. Soc Dems is their future that's if they want one.


  • #5926
    UDAWINNER
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭UDAWINNER


    So it looks like FFG will go in to govt, absolute disgrace even worse if they do a C and S BS. I hope the people that vote for all other parties do not even give them transfers in the next election and hence maximise their losses. I could not understand anyone on the left give these fcukers a no.10 vote. Sad day for Ireland when these wasters are on the cusp of power.:(


  • #5927
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,223 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    So it looks like FFG will go in to govt, absolute disgrace even worse if they do a C and S BS. I hope the people that vote for all other parties do not even give them transfers in the next election and hence maximise their losses. I could not understand anyone on the left give these fcukers a no.10 vote. Sad day for Ireland when these wasters are on the cusp of power.:(

    That's democracy for you.


  • #5928
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,102 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    6 wrote: »
    Funny, I think Labour are the best placed to capture SFs vote when the time comes. What they'll need is SF in government though, and to perform badly while there.

    Labour ?



    Labour are dead. Literally dead in the water. Rabbitte ruined that party.


  • #5929
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,180 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    So it looks like FFG will go in to govt, absolute disgrace even worse if they do a C and S BS. I hope the people that vote for all other parties do not even give them transfers in the next election and hence maximise their losses. I could not understand anyone on the left give these fcukers a no.10 vote. Sad day for Ireland when these wasters are on the cusp of power.:(

    Whats the other options?

    And by the way they won't be forming a government.


  • #5930
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    listermint wrote: »
    Labour ?



    Labour are dead. Literally dead in the water. Rabbitte ruined that party.

    The greens were dead too.

    And FF.

    This is like living in a small town with 5 pubs. For a while everybody only goes to 1 or 2 pubs, then the crowd move somewhere else for a while, and then back to the first pub again.


  • #5931
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    So it looks like FFG will go in to govt, absolute disgrace even worse if they do a C and S BS. I hope the people that vote for all other parties do not even give them transfers in the next election and hence maximise their losses. I could not understand anyone on the left give these fcukers a no.10 vote. Sad day for Ireland when these wasters are on the cusp of power.:(

    Up the Ra, comrade.


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  • #5932
    UDAWINNER
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭UDAWINNER


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Whats the other options?

    And by the way they won't be forming a government.
    ff and fg will go in together otherwise given their stated positions regarding sf, it will be another general election.


  • #5933
    Urethral Buttercup
    Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭Urethral Buttercup


    Wonder how many of the FF/FG voters are just looking to have their assets protected and don't give a crap about people struggling in the rent market with no security.


  • #5934
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    easypazz wrote: »
    The greens were dead too.

    And FF.

    This is like living in a small town with 5 pubs. For a while everybody only goes to 1 or 2 pubs, then the crowd move somewhere else for a while, and then back to the first pub again.

    The Greens have Miss Thurnberg and the climate crisis to be thankful for their rise from the ashes.
    There is no idealistic schoolgirl willing to go to bat for Labour.


  • #5935
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    listermint wrote: »
    Labour ?



    Labour are dead. Literally dead in the water. Rabbitte ruined that party.

    Now, they are absolutely. Voters have short memories though. I think they'll be back stronger if it goes south for SF.


  • #5936
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    ff and fg will go in together otherwise given their stated positions regarding sf, it will be another general election.

    The thoughts of which scares the bejaysus out of TD's who barely scrapped across the line many of whom were FF and FG TDs.


  • #5937
    UDAWINNER
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭UDAWINNER


    easypazz wrote: »
    Up the Ra, comrade.
    first of all, i'm not your comrade so quit that bs. If you're happy with ffg going in to govt, then get them to do the honourable thing and merge. Honour and FFG, who I am I kidding.:)


  • #5938
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,223 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Urethral Buttercup wrote: »
    Wonder how many of the FF/FG voters are just looking to have their assets protected and don't give a crap about people struggling in the rent market with no security.

    A lot I would say. Seeing that some of the characters who could be in government with SF are hell bent on seizing all private property for the State. If you have any private property you should be worried too.


  • #5939
    C__MC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Lol

    David Davenporton primetime

    Will you go into coalition with fg Every 20 seconds


  • #5940
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    6 wrote: »
    Now, they are absolutely. Voters have short memories though. I think they'll be back stronger if it goes south for SF.

    They really won't be back stronger, Labour has lost seats each time since 2011 clearly the memory of the electorate via better than you like to imagine. The space they once occupied now has new tenants.


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  • #5941
    C__MC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭C__MC


    SF under pressure

    If FG/ FF come together and stabalize housing and health, will sf lose support


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