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GE Exit Poll 10 pm

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭efanton


    It seems Leo is taking defeat very hard indeed. To the point where he has become totally delusional

    “In terms of what may happen later on in this process, in the next couple of weeks, Fine Gael, my party, is the party of the founding of the State...There’s another party that was founded in 1971 called Sinn Féin which has a fake history that says otherwise, but we’re the ones who founded the State, we’re the ones who established institutions, we’re the ones who made this country a Republic,” he said

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/varadkar-thinks-he-will-be-opposition-leader-of-next-government-981300.html

    FG didnt even exist when the state was formed, but why let the truth get in the way of a bit of spin, its never stopped him before


  • Posts: 24,774 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not a hope. FF and FG would rather go in with SF

    They would far prefer to go with each other than go with SF, not sure what gives you the idea they would rather go with SF. People who have voted for them would also far prefer them to go together than go with SF. They wont lose any voters going together they would lose massively going in with SF.

    I was listening to the FG TD elected in my constituency this morning on the radio. He said it would be downright dangerous to allow SF get into gov and it must not be allowed (never were truer words spoken). His prediction was FF/FG/GP.

    Personally my preference would be FG/FF/Independents as I would much prefer to see the GP kept our of power as I strongly disagree with much of their policies and what they stand for in general but an FG/FF/GP would be far preferable than anything involving SF.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,055 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    If there is another GE in the fairly near future I reckon Leo won`t be contesting it.

    Yeah I'd say he could run but there's no way FG will allow him be the leader going into an election. 6 counts just to get in!!

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,055 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    efanton wrote: »
    It seems Leo is taking defeat very hard indeed. To the point where he has become totally delusional

    “In terms of what may happen later on in this process, in the next couple of weeks, Fine Gael, my party, is the party of the founding of the State...There’s another party that was founded in 1971 called Sinn Féin which has a fake history that says otherwise, but we’re the ones who founded the State, we’re the ones who established institutions, we’re the ones who made this country a Republic,” he said

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/varadkar-thinks-he-will-be-opposition-leader-of-next-government-981300.html

    FG didnt even exist when the state was formed, but why let the truth get in the way of a bit of spin, its never stopped him before

    Wow, salty words indeed, he's still concussed from the clipping he got from Mary Lou :pac:

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    FFG would way prefer to get back into bed with one another, the primary reason being, that if they arent back in together, god knows what SF will do about all thir sweetheart deals and hangers on they enrich...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Yeah I'd say he could run but there's no way FG will allow him be the leader going into an election. 6 counts just to get in!!

    you would think, they are spineless though and look at their useless td's! POD already supporting varadkar to lead the party , dont know what coveney is up to. a load of useless td's and many afraid of their own shadow. Not looking good to get varadkar out, unless he goes of his own accord!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    Talking to a group UL students here in Parkway who gave Quinlivan number 1. Accommodation cost 65% and Health 35% with transportation cost and insurance thrown in.

    The older the voter it’d be healthcare that would be the number 1 issue.

    Here in Limerick for the past 15 years, FF and FG haven’t listened to people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,155 ✭✭✭This is it


    As a FG voter I'm happy with Leo out in front. The dog on the street knew FG were going to get a pasting, the unexpected was the pasting FF got and the protest vote that SF got. Considering the issues and the protest vote FG didn't actually do too badly. I probably expected worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    efanton wrote: »
    It seems Leo is taking defeat very hard indeed. To the point where he has become totally delusional

    “In terms of what may happen later on in this process, in the next couple of weeks, Fine Gael, my party, is the party of the founding of the State...There’s another party that was founded in 1971 called Sinn Féin which has a fake history that says otherwise, but we’re the ones who founded the State, we’re the ones who established institutions, we’re the ones who made this country a Republic,” he said

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/varadkar-thinks-he-will-be-opposition-leader-of-next-government-981300.html

    FG didnt even exist when the state was formed, but why let the truth get in the way of a bit of spin, its never stopped him before

    Yeah, heard that.

    Funnily enough I posted this just last night about FG history revisionism.
    McMurphy wrote: »
    We are obviously discussing the pretence that FF and FG have any fundamental differences from one another and there's nothing really noteworthy that sets them apart politically, so far as any of us can see - they exist solely so one can say they're not the other in a perpetual cycle of revolving door power swapping.

    However, seeing as you brought up ancient history, and who split from whom back when neither of us were born.

    Why (could you tell me) have FG removed all traces of Eoin ODuffy from its own website?

    I've looked, and I can't see any mention of him, has me fierce stumped so it has.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    He said it would be downright dangerous to allow SF get into gov and it must not be allowed (never were truer words spoken).

    So he doesn't care what people want, what he wants is all that matters


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    They would far prefer to go with each other than go with SF, not sure what gives you the idea they would rather go with SF. People who have voted for them would also far prefer them to go together than go with SF. They wont lose any voters going together they would lose massively going in with SF.

    I was listening to the FG TD elected in my constituency this morning on the radio. He said it would be downright dangerous to allow SF get into gov and it must not be allowed (never were truer words spoken). His prediction was FF/FG/GP.

    Personally my preference would be FG/FF/Independents as I would much prefer to see the GP kept our of power as I strongly disagree with much of their policies and what they stand for in general but an FG/FF/GP would be far preferable than anything involving SF.

    If that's the case what's MM issue why has he ruled it out?


  • Posts: 24,774 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jamsiek wrote: »
    So he doesn't care what people want, what he wants is all that matters

    80% or people didn’t want SF and of those who did most are too thick to understand what they voted for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,779 ✭✭✭✭rob316



    **** off :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,055 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    80% or people didn’t want SF and of those who did most are too thick to understand what they voted for.

    That's the arrogance that has decimated the monopoly parties.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    If 75% of the electorate didn’t want SF. 77.8% didn’t want FF and almost 80% of the electorate didn’t want FG.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭FreeThePants


    Jamsiek wrote: »
    So he doesn't care what people want, what he wants is all that matters

    Frankly after going into government with FF less than a decade after they ruined this nation in a way not seen before, and did all to protect themselves and their mates while forcing the younger generation to leave the country in order to find work, the 'SF can not get in' talk from FG isn't only ridiculous, it's quite revolting.

    There is a very, very obvious reason why SF have been growing so much over the last decade (along with PBP and the other small parties), and it's something neither FF nor FG want to address because they can't, it's a decade too late. But the fact is they ****ed an entire generation over to keep the older generations happy for no other reason than political cynicism (older people vote more).

    Well, guess what? Older people die more and younger people get older. The damage FF and FG have done to themselves in this regard in the last decade is borderline irreparable, and if they keep it up they'll be about as relevant as Irish Labour before too long.

    One part of me would be ok with that, but the other would be worried what vacuum they might leave on the right side of the aisle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    I see Brendan Howlin is to step down as leader of the Labour party, was sad to hear that, Brendan come across as a decent sort, he carried himself well in the leaders debates last week.


  • Posts: 24,774 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    There is a very, very obvious reason why SF have been growing so much over the last decade (along with PBP and the other small parties), and it's something neither FF nor FG want to address because they can't, it's a decade too late. But the fact is they ****ed an entire generation over to keep the older generations happy for no other reason than political cynicism (older people vote more).
    .

    That’s is totally nonsense. FG certainly didn’t **** an entire generation. The country and economy has improved massively under their time in gov.

    I am that generation, came out of college right in the recession and they aren’t perfect but FG certainly are still getting my vote. I certainly don’t feel like I was f*cked over nor would I see anyone I know in my friends and family say they were. All my peers are working, good jobs with good incomes, vast majority own their own homes or are currently buying or building etc.

    No doubt people are struggling to rent or buy in Dublin but that ain’t the governments fault no matter how much people try to blame them for it.

    SF on the other hand I can only see impacting us in a negative way. More tax, less job opportunities etc etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,459 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    McMurphy wrote: »
    I see Brendan Howlin is to step down as leader of the Labour party, was sad to hear that, Brendan come across as a decent sort, he carried himself well in the leaders debates last week.

    Had his day.... nicely sinecured.... no need for tears.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,101 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    McMurphy wrote: »
    I see Brendan Howlin is to step down as leader of the Labour party, was sad to hear that, Brendan come across as a decent sort, he carried himself well in the leaders debates last week.

    Yates reckons it because he wants to be CC, and can't be if he is party leader.

    Oh, and they had a terrible election!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    McMurphy wrote: »
    I see Brendan Howlin is to step down as leader of the Labour party, was sad to hear that, Brendan come across as a decent sort, he carried himself well in the leaders debates last week.

    His brand of relatively realistic and costed social democracy didn’t resonate with the electorate. I’d agree he always came across as a decent skin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Yates reckons it because he wants to be CC, and can't be if he is party leader.

    Oh, and they had a terrible election!
    They only lost one seat numerically, which they were expected to do. The unexpected departure of the old guard may be a blessing for them as they rebuild.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Yates reckons it because he wants to be CC, and can't be if he is party leader.

    Oh, and they had a terrible election!

    Yates and himself would be close enough so I’d say that story might have come from the horse’s mouth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭efanton


    McMurphy wrote: »
    I see Brendan Howlin is to step down as leader of the Labour party, was sad to hear that, Brendan come across as a decent sort, he carried himself well in the leaders debates last week.

    Totally inevitable.
    How a leader of a Labour party could possibly justify his part in pay cuts when he was the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform and support a FG government that was diametrically opposed to everything that Labour stood for is totally beyond me.
    Far too fond of being a Minister than being an advocate for ordinary workers in my opinion.

    He is no loss to Irish politics and him going might be the only hope for a revival of the Labour party, but I seriously doubt that too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,101 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They only lost one seat numerically, which they were expected to do. The unexpected departure of the old guard may be a blessing for them as they rebuild.

    When there is a mood of change, a change to the left no less, and they still managed to lose a seat, there is noother word except disaster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,459 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    His brand of relatively realistic and costed social democracy didn’t resonate with the electorate.

    That kind of common sense doesn’t usually satisfy the proles,John.

    Just listening to RBB waffling about “ordinary people” nobody asked who are these “ordinary people”. Nobody asked who pays for all this.

    We all want everything, but Boyd Barrett never seems to explain how this nirvana will be funded.

    Somebody will have to pay....


  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    His brand of relatively realistic and costed social democracy didn’t resonate with the electorate. I’d agree he always came across as a decent skin.

    More likely that the electorate remember Labour in government with FG and that they couldn't trust them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,256 ✭✭✭jos28


    SF need FF or FG to form a Government, the numbers do not add up with SF and a gaggle of others.
    FF and FG both faced the electorate and stated categorically throughout that they would NOT go into government with SF. MM wants to be Taoiseach and if he even considers a coalition with SF he faces being ousted as leader of FF.
    He cannot back pedal even if he wants to. He risks serious division in his own party if he does.

    I get the feeling that Leo and MM are sitting back letting SF run out of options and will then step up to the plate with a deal done - FF/FG/GP/SD with MM in the position he wants so badly.

    SF will never be accepted as a viable option by FF/FG until they completely dissociate themselves from the likes of Dessie Ellis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,459 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    When there is a mood of change, a change to the left no less, and they still managed to lose a seat, there is noother word except disaster.

    Still haven’t been forgiven for standing up for the country when it was a basket case.

    There are those out there who cannot understand that when things are bad EVERYBODY has to take the hit.

    If promises were made and situations arose which made those promises unsustainable one can’t expect to carry on as normal.

    Some section of our society can’t get their heads around that simple conception.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,101 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Ivan Yates made a very compelling argument for FF/FG and Indos coalition.

    The thinking was that either the SF surge was a temporary one that will dissipate over time, particularly if they can delivery on areas such as health and housing.

    If it wasn't a temporary "protest" vote and actually does signal a move to the left, then both FF and FG are going to be out of power anyway so may as well get a few more years out of it before SF take over.


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