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GE Exit Poll 10 pm

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  • #5432
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,785 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    One plus of the SF doing well is the amount of Tricolours that are flying from a lot of houses over the last week. I used to live in the States and people over there always fly the stars and stripes from their homes and wondered why we didn't do the same thing here. Looks like it may start to happen which is a good thing...

    No it's not a good thing.

    It's naff and unsightly. Especially 6 months later when you're looking at dirty torn shredded things.


  • #5433
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,075 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Would be surprised if the Greens go anywhere near FF after what happened the last time. Same goes for Labour.

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  • #5434
    sondagefaux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭sondagefaux


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Talking doesn't rule out the possibility of a other GE. I honestly can't see FF - FG -SD .

    FG/FF/Lab/Green Party...


  • #5435
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,995 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Deleted User wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/election-2020/results/#/national/laois-offaly

    Carol Nolan seems to be safe now and she would have been SF if they had only let her stand. I assume they will try to re-admit her to the party

    Jus thought if they were to manage this with her and/or Peadar Toibin they would be the biggest party. Ironically this would only reduce their chances of getting into government, as it would mean Mary Lou would have to be at least rotating taoiseach in any deal with FF...


  • #5436
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    sondagefaux wrote: »
    FG/FF/Lab/Green Party...

    What of it? Also haven't Labour already said no?


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  • #5437
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Jus thought if they were to manage this with her and/or Peadar Toibin they would be the biggest party. Ironically this would only reduce their chances of getting into government, as it would mean Mary Lou would have to be at least rotating taoiseach in any deal with FF...

    There is no way these two rejoin SF. SF is pro-choice, they aren't . There is no middle ground


  • #5438
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭limnam


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    Would be surprised if the Greens go anywhere near FF after what happened the last time. Same goes for Labour.


    The greens mantra seems to be it's best to be in goverment than not.


    Regardless of who they're in with so I imagine they'll go in with anyone


  • #5439
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,268 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Shorthall knows an unstable left Govn't is not a club to be a member of. She would have no problem being part of a FF + SF club that has a majority IWT.
    BTW RB Barrett has also said the left haven't the numbers.
    Brid Smith thinks there should be a left minority Govn't, lol.


  • #5440
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Sorry if its been mentioned (can't keep up with thread), is there a time limit for a government to form before we have to vote again? Or could this go on for months? Do they get paid while its being negotiated?


  • #5441
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    I don't think looking for a left wing government is really trying to form one. The numbers are obviously not there and SF know it.

    FF and FG or FF and SF are the only way it works (with some minor party or independents) or we go back to he polls.


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  • #5442
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    pc7 wrote: »
    Sorry if its been mentioned (can't keep up with thread), is there a time limit for a government to form before we have to vote again? Or could this go on for months? Do they get paid while its being negotiated?
    The last one took 53 days or so and months is very possible. It goes on until all options have been exhausted and yes they do get paid, because they are TDs.


  • #5443
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    pc7 wrote: »
    Sorry if its been mentioned (can't keep up with thread), is there a time limit for a government to form before we have to vote again? Or could this go on for months? Do they get paid while its being negotiated?

    Time limit is 5 years , the life time of the Dáil otherwise no.


  • #5444
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Time limit is 5 years , the life time of the Dáil otherwise no.


    :eek: hopefully we get a decision sooner than 5 years!


  • #5445
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,995 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Christy42 wrote: »
    I don't think looking for a left wing government is really trying to form one. The numbers are obviously not there and SF know it.

    Eoin O'Broin explicitly said this last night. It's about putting together a broad left grouping to negotiate with FF. If FF are interested...


  • #5446
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    pc7 wrote: »
    :eek: hopefully we get a decision sooner than 5 years!
    The power to dissolve the Dail still remains with the President.

    It's his job to keep an eye on proceedings, and if, in consultation with the Taoiseach (Leo), he forms an opinion that a Government cannot be formed, he will dissolve the Dail and call a new election.

    Obviously it's not a case that Leo can tell the President to call an election, Higgins could meet with Mary-Lou and Martin first to see if anything can be done. Higgins has the power, as has occurred in other jurisdictions, to refuse to dissolve the Dail and tell leaders to get their finger out.


  • #5447
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    seamus wrote: »
    The power to dissolve the Dail still remains with the President.

    It's his job to keep an eye on proceedings, and if, in consultation with the Taoiseach (Leo), he forms an opinion that a Government cannot be formed, he will dissolve the Dail and call a new election.

    Obviously it's not a case that Leo can tell the President to call an election, Higgins would meet with Mary-Lou and Martin first to see if anything can be done. Higgins has the power, as has occurred in other jurisdictions, to refuse to dissolve the Dail and tell leaders to get their finger out.

    The power to call an election rests solely with the Taoiseach as it is them who ask the President to dissolve the Dáil , the President can't act alone.


  • #5448
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    The power to call an election rests solely with the Taoiseach as it is them who ask the President to dissolve the Dáil , the President can't act alone.
    Sorry, you're right of course, I implied that the President could just go ahead and dissolve it. He can't.


  • #5449
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,333 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Eoin O'Broin explicitly said this last night. It's about putting together a broad left grouping to negotiate with FF. If FF are interested...

    If they succeed in that, and FF refuse, it would be interesting to see what the electorate think.
    Tactically it would be a masterstroke by the left but are they too fractured/hidebound to see it.
    I also think if they managed it, that FG would very quickly come out of their huff.


  • #5450
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,075 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    limnam wrote: »
    The greens mantra seems to be it's best to be in goverment than not.


    Regardless of who they're in with so I imagine they'll go in with anyone

    True but i'd imagine that the Social democrats would be more likely to do a deal with FF.

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  • #5451
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,995 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    If they succeed in that, and FF refuse, it would be interesting to see what the electorate think.
    Tactically it would be a masterstroke by the left but are they too fractured/hidebound to see it.
    I also think if they managed it, that FG would very quickly come out of their huff.

    The other left parties are a sideshow though. If both FF and SF want to do business the rest of it will happen some way or other. SF putting together some sort of 'common platform' with the other left parties won't have much bearing on Martin's decision (if he hasn't already made it).


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  • #5452
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    The other left parties are a sideshow though. If both FF and SF want to do business the rest of it will happen some way or other. SF putting together some sort of 'common platform' with the other left parties won't have much bearing on Martin's decision (if he hasn't already made it).

    Here's a mad idea. FF-Greens (any maybe SD) go into coalition , however before hand the Greens and SF implement a S&C . Does this give MM the wiggle room he needs?


  • #5453
    Openside11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 ✭Openside11


    FrancieBrady wrote:
    I also think if they managed it, that FG would very quickly come out of their huff.

    What huff Jesus we cant be in government forever !!

    FF needs to get over themselves and decide are they Left wing or Right wing and try and help to form some type of government.


  • #5454
    strawdog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭strawdog


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Here's a mad idea. FF-Greens (any maybe SD) go into coalition , however before hand the Greens and SF implement a S&C . Does this give MM the wiggle room he needs?

    I wouldn't think SF have any strategic interest in a S&C, its power, GE if they can blame the others for it, or all out opposition with a view to smashing them in the next election with more candidates


  • #5455
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,075 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Here's a mad idea. FF-Greens (any maybe SD) go into coalition

    FF, the greens and social Democrats don't have the numbers.

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  • #5456
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Winning the most votes gives SF the right to 1st try. But that doesn't stop FF/FG/Greens from trying to form a government.

    Am I right in thinking that each TD can out up their choice for Taoiseach, and the Dail then voters. Normally this involves the largest party all agreeing on their party leader and getting other TDs to agree.

    So even if SF do manage to get all the left parties to join them, there is nothing, technically, to stop the FF/FG&G so simply win the vote for MM?


  • #5457
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,797 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I read SF manifesto and FF, its not really a whole pile different. They are both talking about huge public spending and tax cuts. SF are over the top with it but if they both get a room I think they can work it out.


  • #5458
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    rob316 wrote: »
    I read SF manifesto and FF, its not really a whole pile different. They are both talking about huge public spending and tax cuts. SF are over the top with it but if they both get a room I think they can work it out.

    Sounds idyllic. Sign me up for both.


  • #5459
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    FF, the greens and social Democrats don't have the numbers.

    They would with a SF S&C


  • #5460
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Heard Leo's extended interview on Newstalk there a while ago, including a dig at SF (fake history)

    Two words - deflated + sour.


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  • #5461
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Heard Leo's extended interview on Newstalk there a while ago, including a dig at SF (fake history)

    Two words - deflated + sour.

    How did you expect him to sound, Murph?


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