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GE Exit Poll 10 pm

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,785 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    One plus of the SF doing well is the amount of Tricolours that are flying from a lot of houses over the last week. I used to live in the States and people over there always fly the stars and stripes from their homes and wondered why we didn't do the same thing here. Looks like it may start to happen which is a good thing...

    No it's not a good thing.

    It's naff and unsightly. Especially 6 months later when you're looking at dirty torn shredded things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,075 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Would be surprised if the Greens go anywhere near FF after what happened the last time. Same goes for Labour.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭sondagefaux


    Talking doesn't rule out the possibility of a other GE. I honestly can't see FF - FG -SD .

    FG/FF/Lab/Green Party...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,996 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    https://www.rte.ie/news/election-2020/results/#/national/laois-offaly

    Carol Nolan seems to be safe now and she would have been SF if they had only let her stand. I assume they will try to re-admit her to the party

    Jus thought if they were to manage this with her and/or Peadar Toibin they would be the biggest party. Ironically this would only reduce their chances of getting into government, as it would mean Mary Lou would have to be at least rotating taoiseach in any deal with FF...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    FG/FF/Lab/Green Party...

    What of it? Also haven't Labour already said no?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Jus thought if they were to manage this with her and/or Peadar Toibin they would be the biggest party. Ironically this would only reduce their chances of getting into government, as it would mean Mary Lou would have to be at least rotating taoiseach in any deal with FF...

    There is no way these two rejoin SF. SF is pro-choice, they aren't . There is no middle ground


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭limnam


    Would be surprised if the Greens go anywhere near FF after what happened the last time. Same goes for Labour.


    The greens mantra seems to be it's best to be in goverment than not.


    Regardless of who they're in with so I imagine they'll go in with anyone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,268 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Shorthall knows an unstable left Govn't is not a club to be a member of. She would have no problem being part of a FF + SF club that has a majority IWT.
    BTW RB Barrett has also said the left haven't the numbers.
    Brid Smith thinks there should be a left minority Govn't, lol.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Sorry if its been mentioned (can't keep up with thread), is there a time limit for a government to form before we have to vote again? Or could this go on for months? Do they get paid while its being negotiated?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    I don't think looking for a left wing government is really trying to form one. The numbers are obviously not there and SF know it.

    FF and FG or FF and SF are the only way it works (with some minor party or independents) or we go back to he polls.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    pc7 wrote: »
    Sorry if its been mentioned (can't keep up with thread), is there a time limit for a government to form before we have to vote again? Or could this go on for months? Do they get paid while its being negotiated?
    The last one took 53 days or so and months is very possible. It goes on until all options have been exhausted and yes they do get paid, because they are TDs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    pc7 wrote: »
    Sorry if its been mentioned (can't keep up with thread), is there a time limit for a government to form before we have to vote again? Or could this go on for months? Do they get paid while its being negotiated?

    Time limit is 5 years , the life time of the Dáil otherwise no.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Time limit is 5 years , the life time of the Dáil otherwise no.


    :eek: hopefully we get a decision sooner than 5 years!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,996 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Christy42 wrote: »
    I don't think looking for a left wing government is really trying to form one. The numbers are obviously not there and SF know it.

    Eoin O'Broin explicitly said this last night. It's about putting together a broad left grouping to negotiate with FF. If FF are interested...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    pc7 wrote: »
    :eek: hopefully we get a decision sooner than 5 years!
    The power to dissolve the Dail still remains with the President.

    It's his job to keep an eye on proceedings, and if, in consultation with the Taoiseach (Leo), he forms an opinion that a Government cannot be formed, he will dissolve the Dail and call a new election.

    Obviously it's not a case that Leo can tell the President to call an election, Higgins could meet with Mary-Lou and Martin first to see if anything can be done. Higgins has the power, as has occurred in other jurisdictions, to refuse to dissolve the Dail and tell leaders to get their finger out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    seamus wrote: »
    The power to dissolve the Dail still remains with the President.

    It's his job to keep an eye on proceedings, and if, in consultation with the Taoiseach (Leo), he forms an opinion that a Government cannot be formed, he will dissolve the Dail and call a new election.

    Obviously it's not a case that Leo can tell the President to call an election, Higgins would meet with Mary-Lou and Martin first to see if anything can be done. Higgins has the power, as has occurred in other jurisdictions, to refuse to dissolve the Dail and tell leaders to get their finger out.

    The power to call an election rests solely with the Taoiseach as it is them who ask the President to dissolve the Dáil , the President can't act alone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    The power to call an election rests solely with the Taoiseach as it is them who ask the President to dissolve the Dáil , the President can't act alone.
    Sorry, you're right of course, I implied that the President could just go ahead and dissolve it. He can't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,349 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Eoin O'Broin explicitly said this last night. It's about putting together a broad left grouping to negotiate with FF. If FF are interested...

    If they succeed in that, and FF refuse, it would be interesting to see what the electorate think.
    Tactically it would be a masterstroke by the left but are they too fractured/hidebound to see it.
    I also think if they managed it, that FG would very quickly come out of their huff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,075 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    limnam wrote: »
    The greens mantra seems to be it's best to be in goverment than not.


    Regardless of who they're in with so I imagine they'll go in with anyone

    True but i'd imagine that the Social democrats would be more likely to do a deal with FF.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,996 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    If they succeed in that, and FF refuse, it would be interesting to see what the electorate think.
    Tactically it would be a masterstroke by the left but are they too fractured/hidebound to see it.
    I also think if they managed it, that FG would very quickly come out of their huff.

    The other left parties are a sideshow though. If both FF and SF want to do business the rest of it will happen some way or other. SF putting together some sort of 'common platform' with the other left parties won't have much bearing on Martin's decision (if he hasn't already made it).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    The other left parties are a sideshow though. If both FF and SF want to do business the rest of it will happen some way or other. SF putting together some sort of 'common platform' with the other left parties won't have much bearing on Martin's decision (if he hasn't already made it).

    Here's a mad idea. FF-Greens (any maybe SD) go into coalition , however before hand the Greens and SF implement a S&C . Does this give MM the wiggle room he needs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Openside11


    I also think if they managed it, that FG would very quickly come out of their huff.

    What huff Jesus we cant be in government forever !!

    FF needs to get over themselves and decide are they Left wing or Right wing and try and help to form some type of government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭strawdog


    Here's a mad idea. FF-Greens (any maybe SD) go into coalition , however before hand the Greens and SF implement a S&C . Does this give MM the wiggle room he needs?

    I wouldn't think SF have any strategic interest in a S&C, its power, GE if they can blame the others for it, or all out opposition with a view to smashing them in the next election with more candidates


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,075 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Here's a mad idea. FF-Greens (any maybe SD) go into coalition

    FF, the greens and social Democrats don't have the numbers.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Winning the most votes gives SF the right to 1st try. But that doesn't stop FF/FG/Greens from trying to form a government.

    Am I right in thinking that each TD can out up their choice for Taoiseach, and the Dail then voters. Normally this involves the largest party all agreeing on their party leader and getting other TDs to agree.

    So even if SF do manage to get all the left parties to join them, there is nothing, technically, to stop the FF/FG&G so simply win the vote for MM?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,797 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I read SF manifesto and FF, its not really a whole pile different. They are both talking about huge public spending and tax cuts. SF are over the top with it but if they both get a room I think they can work it out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    rob316 wrote: »
    I read SF manifesto and FF, its not really a whole pile different. They are both talking about huge public spending and tax cuts. SF are over the top with it but if they both get a room I think they can work it out.

    Sounds idyllic. Sign me up for both.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    FF, the greens and social Democrats don't have the numbers.

    They would with a SF S&C


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Heard Leo's extended interview on Newstalk there a while ago, including a dig at SF (fake history)

    Two words - deflated + sour.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Heard Leo's extended interview on Newstalk there a while ago, including a dig at SF (fake history)

    Two words - deflated + sour.

    How did you expect him to sound, Murph?


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