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  • #1802
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Hmmm over half the housing in the state are unmetered. Wonder how the charging regime will work. Any thoughts yourself?

    Probably the high earners on 40k+ paying double for their usage, we couldn’t have the ****ing wasters worrying about water charges could we?


  • #1803
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Probably the high earners on 40k+ paying double for their usage, we couldn’t have the ****ing wasters worrying about water charges could we?

    Ok fairly nonsensical rant but how do you charge an unmetered home for excessive use? Maybe get an adult to help you formulate a coherent reply.


  • #1804
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Ok fairly nonsensical rant but how do you charge an unmetered home for excessive use? Maybe get an adult to help you formulate a coherent reply.

    How is it nonsensical? Maybe get an adult to help you understand words before you post them.

    SF have already stated anyone on 40k is a high earner.


  • #1805
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,197 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Well oh wise one why don’t you answer the question I put to frankie so?

    If SF made a balls of all those matters in a six county environment, what the **** makes you think they will do anything with twenty six?

    For starters, they don't have the DUP to deal with.

    Mind you... FG are huffing in the corner in very much of a similar fashion because somebody took their ball.

    ;)

    On a serious note: I certainly haven't suggested SF are going to create a nirvana of harmony. Just like a UI, there is no guarantees.

    I want the duopoly broken up and a fairer society.


  • #1806
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Not the people who murdered her son then? That’s grand yeah? That’s all I need to know about you. Carry on

    Of course they are, you my friend have been posting about the inferred connection to SF etc. I thought that's what we were discussing? If not I've really really no interest in the context of the 2020 election.
    blanch152 wrote: »
    Don't be putting words in my mouth.

    I have set out the history of both languages in Northern Ireland. It is clear to me that in both cases, albeit with different aspects, that their revival has been artificial and driven by the desire and wish not to be the other, to differentiate, to segregate, to emphasise difference. That isn't healthy.

    I know the '?' trips you up, but it was a question.
    So there are both as relevant or irrelevant as each other?


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  • #1807
    GreenandRed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭GreenandRed


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Well oh wise one why don’t you answer the question I put to frankie so?

    If SF made a balls of all those matters in a six county environment, what the **** makes you think they will do anything with twenty six?

    Because I'm not Frankie? Nor do I support any party. I'd prefer an all party, including indies, cabinet of the most capable people working for the country and an end to sqyuabbling points scoring politics. Naive, I know.

    We don't what they can do in the 26 counties, they haven't been in government before and there's a fair chance they won't be this time.

    I'd say there's as much chance as them f***ing things up as doing a good job and that also depends on your perspective on a good job. A wealthy landlord might see it differently to a family struggling to raise a deposit for a house paying a fortune to said landlord. But, for me, comparing 6 counties of divided communuties ruled from London and a Dublin 26 county parliament governing a fairly harmonious electorate isn't comparing ike with like. I'd have epectations rather than high hopes they could do a good job, deliver on their promises and that they'd be accepted by unions and other interests. But some people were thrilled with confidence and supply and some weren't and you can't please everyone.


  • #1808
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    I have merely commented on your posts obviously you have no real retort.
    So therefore it must be clear your argument is lost.

    You are mad for accountability and justice however small the crime on the one hand.

    Yet you shy away from calling for accountability for SF however large the crime.
    Even murder can be excused or hidden away from justice in your view.
    McCabe, Quinn and so on.

    You have not explained to me how you justify such reasoning.
    But I am not a psychologist.

    I am beginning to feel some pity for you, with your mental gymnastics.

    You have inferred my meaning by dishonestly twisting and not quoting.
    What argument?
    My lack of interest in a murder several years ago that I don't recall hearing about prior to the election says zero about my views on criminality.
    Calling SF to account for what?
    You are a liar. I need not explain stuff you made up.

    Free pass for Fianna Fail continues ;)

    You're boring me. I'll not engage on murders you want to use.


  • #1809
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Don't be silly.

    You can't prove that people are with-holding information until you have the information that shows that.

    It is clear that the reason more information on Paul Quinn's murder hasn't come out is because there are senior members of the republican movement who would be in trouble for the very reason you mention if the truth was out there.

    Remember when Gerry Adams told one story to Spotlight about his knowledge of the abuse of his niece and a different story to the court. While we all knew that he had lied, he couldn't be charged with perjury because there was no way on knowing which version was untrue and it is not a crime to lie to a TV programme.

    In this case, until the full truth comes out, nobody can be certain or prove that information is being withheld or was previously withheld. So you can be certain that the republican movement won't let the truth come out.

    So I can suggest FG, overseeing the Garda, might know things about criminality involving the Sean Quinn/abduction case, with hear-say and feels? I wouldn't have thought such loose accusations were allowed on boards.


  • #1810
    GreenandRed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭GreenandRed


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Ok fairly nonsensical rant but how do you charge an unmetered home for excessive use? Maybe get an adult to help you formulate a coherent reply.

    Could get around the traditional plumbed in meter with a smart meter. Jesus the Greens will love that.:eek:


  • #1811
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    The electorate didn’t give a **** about what they were doing besides wagging the finger at FG. They will regret that in the next 6 months when they see the calibre of politician they have elected to run this country and economy - quote me

    Fianna Fail are a great bunch of lads though ;)


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  • #1812
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,103 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Matt Barrett wrote: »

    I know the '?' trips you up, but it was a question.
    So there are both as relevant or irrelevant as each other?

    The facts are what they are, don't you agree?


  • #1813
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,103 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    So I can suggest FG might know things about criminality involving the Sean Quinn/abduction case, with hear-say and feels? I wouldn't have thought such loose accusations were allowed on boards.

    The difference is that Conor Murphy said he went to the IRA and they told him they weren't involved. We won't know whether Conor was telling the truth or not until we find out exactly what happened and who knew what.

    So it isn't hear-say and feels.


  • #1814
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    How is it nonsensical? Maybe get an adult to help you understand words before you post them.

    SF have already stated anyone on 40k is a high earner.

    What has the designation of a high earners got to do with charging for excessive use when there is not means of knowing what the usage is?
    Can you answer the question asked instead of nonsensical rants.


  • #1815
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Fianna Fail are a great bunch of lads though ;)

    I never said they were because I remember what they did in 2008. However I would still take them over the up the ra party and that’s a ****ing terrible thing to say. sF are not mature enough to run a country or economy and we will all pay for it


  • #1816
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,197 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    The facts are what they are, don't you agree?

    How is not 'emphasizing difference' going to be healthy in a shared society blanch BTW?

    Do those in NI have to become a homogenous whole?

    How about in a UI (which you claim to want) are Unionists not to be allowed express their difference?

    To 'emphasise' it even at 12th of July parades/celebrations?


  • #1817
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    You're surprised by this?

    At the same time Mary Lou is jumping up and down shouting for a border poll. To all those idiots who thought voting for SF for the sake of a change would be a good idea I can only say you may well get what you didn't wish for.

    The boot is well and truly on the other foot now and all those over here who laughed at the British people who voted for Brexit for being ill informed, pig ignorant racists etc. are looking pretty stupid themselves.

    Not surprised, no, on the surface I was amused that they couldn't go 24 hours without shooting themselves in the foot. On a deeper level, I'm concerned at the behaviour of a potential government minister.

    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Like it or no, this stunt will have a bearing on the formation of the government.

    Cullinane is a stupid stupid man. Not to be trusted.

    This here.

    Cullinane is supposedly 'one of the good ones'. This is his second term in the Dáil, and he was in the Seanad for 5-6 years before that. If it were one of the SF loopers or part-timers like Paddy Holohan, or Patricia Ryan who went on holidays for the election run in, you might understand such an amateur and immature 'gaff'. Cullinane is a relatively seasoned politician though.

    Only hours before 'UP THE RA!', Cullinane spoke very well and politician-like on RTE as they were interviewing him live from his count centre after his result came in. He more than held his own against Miriam O and a panel of FFG General Secretaries as he put his best, most polished foot forward. In those moments, even though you mightn't agree with SF's politics or history, you could maybe see a prominent politician or minister there. Any of those thoughts went out the window though in light of Cullinane's more candid celebrations later that night which were caught on camera. SF will now do themselves (and the rest of us) no service by placing Cullinane in a major cabinet position.

    Any time he is interviewed on DOB-owned media from now on, which there is a lot of, this will be used against Cullinane/SF as often as is required. Be it as a genuine point, or just a weapon to deflect from something Cullinane is saying. In Anglo-Irish dealings under a SF government, be it Brexit, United Ireland or whatever else, UK media will have a field day leading with this footage if Cullinane is a prominent member of a negotiating Irish government.

    'Sinn Féin make no secret of their desire for a United Ireland' - I do not have a problem with that. It's their desire to make no secret of apeish behaviour and an attempt to mask it as 'Just a United Ireland' thing which concerns me. SF are supposed to be an attempt to move on from a bloody past, from the gun to the pen. Let's be real, David Cullinane didn't pull out a Glock and fire a few celebratory rounds into the air, but 'Up the RA!' like a drunk teenager in response to being elected largely on housing and health promises, not on United Ireland, is disappointing. As for its effects on the prospect of a United Ireland, well I can't imagine Unionists up North would take much confidence from this at all. As for Loyalists...perfect Troubles 2.0 fuel.

    I didn't vote SF, FG or FF and I wish any new government of ours the best, but the likes of this won't help SF distance themselves from something they really need to in the Ireland of 2020.


  • #1818
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    This whole thread is gone Abit mental , from complaining about high earner being taxed to comparing which crime is worse .... And now onto water meters...


  • #1819
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,197 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    The difference is that Conor Murphy said he went to the IRA and they told him they weren't involved. We won't know whether Conor was telling the truth or not until we find out exactly what happened and who knew what.

    So it isn't hear-say and feels.

    That is for the police to decide, not you.

    The IMC know who these people are as they ruled out the IRA as an organisation being involved.


  • #1820
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    The facts are what they are, don't you agree?

    I don't know. You've not said yes or no.
    They are irrelevant or they or relevant, equally? Try pick one.


  • #1821
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    The difference is that Conor Murphy said he went to the IRA and they told him they weren't involved. We won't know whether Conor was telling the truth or not until we find out exactly what happened and who knew what.

    So it isn't hear-say and feels.

    All you have is someone saying it wasn't them. It doesn't put any weight either way really.


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  • #1822
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    I never said they were because I remember what they did in 2008. However I would still take them over the up the ra party and that’s a ****ing terrible thing to say. sF are not mature enough to run a country or economy and we will all pay for it

    Ah we differ there. I'll take SF, SD, PBP and I4C over FF or FG, (same folk IMO).
    It just seems like the weight of criticism of SF re the election is very heavily weighted, considering the other player is FF. But hey, what evs.


  • #1823
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Ah we differ there. I'll take SF, SD, PBP and I4C over FF or FG, (same folk IMO).
    It just seems like the weight of criticism of SF re the election is very heavily weighted, considering the other player is FF. But hey, what evs.

    Sf - free **** for everyone
    SD - free **** for everyone and you can pretend to be whatever you want without any dissenting opinions or voices
    PBP - free **** for everyone and then more free **** because **** you if you work

    Yep that sounds like a ****ing dream team to be fair


  • #1824
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    tdf7187 wrote: »
    Dear oh dear, the Harrisites won't like this.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ibec-says-sinn-f%C3%A9in-not-mad-when-it-comes-to-the-economy-1.4168977?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Feconomy%2Fibec-says-sinn-f%25C3%25A9in-not-mad-when-it-comes-to-the-economy-1.4168977

    Brian Hayes, the current head of IBEC, who was formerly an FG politician and no fan of SF to put it midly, has acknowledged that IBEC will have no problem working with SF.

    He was on Newstalk with Ivan Yates slating SFs manifesto, particularly their ideas about housing and LPT.


  • #1825
    Fred Cryton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    I want to see FF/FG/Labour coalition. Some stability for 5 years, hopefully some tax cuts. And yes we'd get a good bit of social housing built.

    Keep the Shinners out at all costs. Investment Funds are already removing their money from Irish property stocks on the mere suggestion they get into power. That will eventually impact on the ground. Could be a full blown recession if they do get in.

    Also bear in mind at the next election, FF and FG will run fewer candidates. This will get them more seats.


  • #1826
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Sf - free **** for everyone
    SD - free **** for everyone and you can pretend to be whatever you want without any dissenting opinions or voices
    PBP - free **** for everyone and then more free **** because **** you if you work

    Yep that sounds like a ****ing dream team to be fair

    I think you've been grossly misinformed.


  • #1827
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    I want to see FF/FG/Labour coalition. Some stability for 5 years, hopefully some tax cuts. And yes we'd get a good bit of social housing built.

    Keep the Shinners out at all costs. Investment Funds are already removing their money from Irish property stocks on the mere suggestion they get into power. That will eventually impact on the ground. Could be a full blown recession if they do get in.

    Also bear in mind at the next election, FF and FG will run fewer candidates. This will get them more seats.

    I suspect SF would also be happy to be the main party of opposition.


  • #1828
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,103 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    That is for the police to decide, not you.

    The IMC know who these people are as they ruled out the IRA as an organisation being involved.


    Were the IMC in the barn that night too?


  • #1829
    Fred Cryton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I suspect SF would also be happy to be the main party of opposition.


    Good, certainly better than them having ministerial power.


  • #1830
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,197 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Were the IMC in the barn that night too?

    A cynical wee dig to try and hide your blushes?

    Everyone knows who was in the barn blanch, the community, the PSNI, The Gardai, The MP who named them in parliament and the local political parties.

    They ALL also know the details and some of those details are in the file sent by the Gardai to Bertie Ahern.


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  • #1831
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Imagine being this angry about political parties wanting to help people who are less well off instead of funneling more money to the already wealthy.

    That’s exactly what annoys me - less well off my ****ing bollix.


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