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Plumbthedepths · 11-02-2020 03:55PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

They haven’t though, if the Shinners policies are incompatible why the fcuuuuherke would they have anything to do with them politically.

Why are repeating what is already known. SF cannot form a government on the numbers available. The only viable alternative is FF/FG/ Greens 85 seats. There lies a government. Listening to some FG TD's they have resigned themselves to opposition, walking off the pitch .

Plumbthedepths · 11-02-2020 03:59PM

is_that_so wrote: »

That's a complete waste of a post! Their members say no to SF and that is the end of it. As for how that will play out, who knows what voters will think after 30, 60, 90 or 120 days of Lanigan's Ball.

Yeah I know that strange why you keep repeating it. So FF said no to SF as did FF so the only alternative is FG and FF with minor support from the Greens. 85 seats or new election and explain to voters why they walked from their mandate. Their voters did not vote for them to go into opposition.

is_that_so · 11-02-2020 03:59PM

Christy42 wrote: »

If the voters left the politicians to figure it out then they can hardly complain when a valid government is out together. If the voters don't like it they can say a harder no at the next election.

Yes. In this case it does. If they have the numbers they can govern for the next few years. Giving them the numbers was the people saying ok. 42% of people had a preference for at least one of FF/FG in government. With more ok with it if they gave them a decent preference.

We have seen the winds of change in the election but not strong enough to entirely kill off the old guard. If it continues the old guard will disappear. However for now it could just be an increased say unless they work something out with SF.

I don't think you can guess what any vote was up to except yourself. Some voters do have the idea that all parties are compatible when it comes down to forming a government they are not. People who vote PBP understand that a deal with SF will never happen. The only thing I see in this election is increased volatility and if there is change it is more likely to emerge in voters having no affiliation to any party.

is_that_so · 11-02-2020 04:03PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yeah I know that strange why you keep repeating it. So FF said no to SF as did FF so the only alternative is FG and FF with minor support from the Greens. 85 seats or new election and explain to voters why they walked from their mandate. Their voters did not vote for them to go into opposition.

Nothing strange about a party asking its members' opinions. The Greens had a mini Ard-Fheis back in 2007 to decide on it. Most parties will deal with it at their Ard Fheis. The SF one is a long-standing one for both and for Labour I believe. The FF v FG coalition is also one that would be in the same boat.

Suckit · 11-02-2020 04:05PM

I would be interested in finding out if FG have apologised to their supporters about their results this election and whether or not Leo is going to step down.

Brendan Bendar · 11-02-2020 04:08PM

Suckit wrote: »

I would be interested in finding out if FG have apologised to their supporters about their results this election and whether or not Leo is going to step down.

Why would they do that as a matter of interest?

Plumbthedepths · 11-02-2020 04:08PM

What I 'm finding amusing is both FF and FG have painted themselves into a corner and are desperately trying to figure a way out without suffering further damage. Sadly as always the country will suffer for the behaviour of ego driven politicians.

Feisar · 11-02-2020 04:10PM

Does anybody actually think things will change? Same as when we took over from the British, nothing changed. Same civil service moving at a snails pace.

Brendan Bendar · 11-02-2020 04:14PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What I 'm finding amusing is both FF and FG have painted themselves into a corner and are desperately trying to figure a way out without suffering further damage. Sadly as always the country will suffer for the behaviour of ego driven politicians.

Only party in a corner is SF, you know it, I know it, everyone else knows it.

Like a good man stop flapping around and cop on.

Not a peep out of any of the SF party on the meeejia apart from Matt Carty which is most unusual.

The Shinners have now realised they have to step up,and are bricking themselves.

So please, pretty please, stop talking rubbish.

PhoneMain · 11-02-2020 04:17PM

Feisar wrote: »

Does anybody actually think things will change? Same as when we took over from the British, nothing changed. Same civil service moving at a snails pace.

Health will continue with it's ongoing difficulties, if not worsen. No politician is willing to make the tough decisions.

Housing - Hard to know. If SF can find the money then the extra social housing might increase supply for lower income citizens but it's not going to be an overnight success. Rent freezes may cause landlords to take off the market.

That said, I think the economy would have been going as well no matter who was in charge.

Christy42 · 11-02-2020 04:18PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I don't think you can guess what any vote was up to except yourself. Some voters do have the idea that all parties are compatible when it comes down to forming a government they are not. People who vote PBP understand that a deal with SF will never happen. The only thing I see in this election is increased volatility and if there is change it is more likely to emerge in voters having no affiliation to any party.

Sure. Some FF voters will want to go with SF and some not. We can only guess at the exact meaning. In the mean time all we can do is guess. FG and FF voters did so on the promise of no SF in government. The country needs a government and the seat distribution is what we have to go on. Either parties team up or we go to polls for probably a vaguely similar result (Sinn Fein may just take some more seats from the left).

If FF and FG walk away from this they may get punished by voters who realise either getting in without the other is suddenly unrealistic and want a government.

11-02-2020 04:18PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What I 'm finding amusing is both FF and FG have painted themselves into a corner and are desperately trying to figure a way out without suffering further damage. Sadly as always the country will suffer for the behaviour of ego driven politicians.

The county will suffer because a heap of clowns went out and voted for SF.

Reading through their planned tax changes etc, it’s horrific stuff hitting business, employers, and people who pay the most tax already. Pandering to a crowd of dole heads.

thequarefellow · 11-02-2020 04:19PM

Feisar wrote: »

Does anybody actually think things will change? Same as when we took over from the British, nothing changed. Same civil service moving at a snails pace.

And the legal profession. Remember the ones Fg said they were going to reform?

listermint · 11-02-2020 04:21PM

is_that_so wrote: »

That's a complete waste of a post! Their members say no to SF and that is the end of it. As for how that will play out, who knows what voters will think after 30, 60, 90 or 120 days of Lanigan's Ball.

Their members also said no to each other too as that was the platform they ran on.

So what now ? Should we just sack them all and start again. Because it seems they don't want to to anything. And your happy with that.

Plumbthedepths · 11-02-2020 04:21PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Only party in a corner is SF, you know it, I know it, everyone else knows it.

Like a good man stop flapping around and cop on.

Not a peep out of any of the SF party on the meeejia apart from Matt Carty which is most unusual.

The Shinners have now realised they have to step up,and are bricking themselves.

So please, pretty please, stop talking rubbish.

So explain to me how based on the numbers and the unwillingness of FG and FF to step up can SF form a government?
They have said they are willing to talk to all parties.

LeinsterDub · 11-02-2020 04:21PM

Feisar wrote: »

Does anybody actually think things will change? Same as when we took over from the British, nothing changed. Same civil service moving at a snails pace.

Dev managed to change the country into a theocracy in less than a decade

Plumbthedepths · 11-02-2020 04:22PM

Grayson Tasty Springboard wrote: »

The county will suffer because a heap of clowns went out and voted for SF.

Reading through their planned tax changes etc, it’s horrific stuff hitting business, employees and people who pay the most tax already. Pandering to a crowd of dole heads.

Calling others clowns considering the amount of alcohol you admit to consuming is rich tbh.

Jinglejangle69 · 11-02-2020 04:22PM

thequarefellow wrote: »

And the legal profession. Remember the ones Fg said they were going to reform?

Jesus SF supporters are still obseesed with FG even though they got the boot.

Its very strange

listermint · 11-02-2020 04:23PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Only party in a corner is SF, you know it, I know it, everyone else knows it.

Like a good man stop flapping around and cop on.

Not a peep out of any of the SF party on the meeejia apart from Matt Carty which is most unusual.

The Shinners have now realised they have to step up,and are bricking themselves.

So please, pretty please, stop talking rubbish.

You have spent all day blabbering whilst knowing SF are out trying to form a government right now as you blabber on.

This is gas. I'm not even sure why you bother. There's only one party running away right now we know who it is

is_that_so · 11-02-2020 04:25PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Sure. Some FF voters will want to go with SF and some not. We can only guess at the exact meaning. In the mean time all we can do is guess. FG and FF voters did so on the promise of no SF in government. The country needs a government and the seat distribution is what we have to go on. Either parties team up or we go to polls for probably a vaguely similar result (Sinn Fein may just take some more seats from the left).

If FF and FG walk away from this they may get punished by voters who realise either getting in without the other is suddenly unrealistic and want a government.

Nothing they can do if voters get it into their heads to punish a party for consistently adhering to particular principles. They are not going to move on the SF issue and I don't see a FF-FG coalition being much of a sell either.

LeinsterDub · 11-02-2020 04:26PM

Grayson Tasty Springboard wrote: »

The county will suffer because a heap of clowns went out and voted for SF.

Reading through their planned tax changes etc, it’s horrific stuff hitting business, employees and people who pay the most tax already. Pandering to a crowd of dole heads.

A 'heap of clowns' are you call them vote SF because they are already suffering. How in a country with near full unemployment as FG were want to reminded during the campaign can the 25% who voted for SF be 'dole heads'

FF and FG would want to open their eyes really quick.

listermint · 11-02-2020 04:29PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

A 'heap of clowns' are you call them vote SF because they are already suffering. How in a country with near full unemployment as FG were want to reminded during the campaign can the 25% who voted for SF be 'dole heads'

FF and FG would want to open their eyes really quick.

Clarity's sake I'm an SD man. No vote for SF their local guy is a tool.

But the folks that told me they voted SF are far removed from dole heads or the typical SF voters.

If FG and their supporters keep up this mantra they'll be the minority party for years to come again. But I'm beginning to think that suits them tbh....

is_that_so · 11-02-2020 04:30PM

listermint wrote: »

Their members also said no to each other too as that was the platform they ran on.

So what now ? Should we just sack them all and start again. Because it seems they don't want to to anything. And your happy with that.

Nope, this is just what they say about their red lines, SF say something else, Labour another thing and The Greens are all about climate. I don't know why you're making me responsible for it as I am not a member of any party.

listermint · 11-02-2020 04:33PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Nope, this is just what they say about their red lines, SF say something else, Labour another thing and The Greens are all about climate. I don't know why you're making me responsible for it as I am not a member of any party.

Never said you were a member.

I asked where you happy with it .....

Brendan Bendar · 11-02-2020 04:37PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So explain to me how based on the numbers and the unwillingness of FG and FF to step up can SF form a government?
They have said they are willing to talk to all parties.

Sure, just like I would be unwilling to get into a car driven by a a dude whose driving style I didn’t agree with pointed towards the edge of the Cliffs of Moher .

Go figure.

McMurphy · 11-02-2020 04:38PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Why would they do that as a matter of interest?

For throwing away an election Brenner, especially in the midst of so much economical prosperity, highest growth in the world, zero unemployment, blahdy blahdy blah.

Why are they out on their ears after saving us from the clutches of hell?

James Brown · 11-02-2020 04:39PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Jesus SF supporters are still obseesed with FG even though they got the boot.

Its very strange

If you've any Irish government actions or policies you care to reference

Suckit · 11-02-2020 04:39PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Sure, just like I would be unwilling to get into a car driven by a a dude whose driving style I didn’t agree with pointed towards the edge of the Cliffs of Moher .

Go figure.

The analogies in this thread are beyond terrible. They are really, really sh*t.

Any word on whether Leo is stepping down?

listermint · 11-02-2020 04:43PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Sure, just like I would be unwilling to get into a car driven by a a dude whose driving style I didn’t agree with pointed towards the edge of the Cliffs of Moher .

Go figure.

You'd get into a car of someone pointing towards a cliff ? Jesus that's bad you should examine your party membership if it's do or die ...

Brendan Bendar · 11-02-2020 04:44PM

McMurphy wrote: »

For throwing away an election Brenner, especially in the midst of so much economical prosperity, highest growth in the world, zero unemployment, blahdy blahdy blah.

Why are they out on their ears after saving us from the clutches of hell?

Because the proles can’t understand the long term, buddy.

The big picture doesn’t mean anything to them.

Just easy money,dude, hand outs and freebies, game the system.

Never occurs that someone has to pay.

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