new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

cnocbui · 11-02-2020 02:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have just spoken to somebody with connections in the medical and political world, who has heard that we have several individuals in quarantine in Ireland. It is not beyond the realm of possibility we already have it here, but sane person told me there is a policy of keeping it as quiet as possible to stop public unease.

Typical Irish attitude. We know better than you; you are all ill educated children; try and cover up all unpleasant things we don't want to admit go on here.

I posted a few pages back, a quote from the Queensland minister for health about testing and keeping the public informed. Couldn't be more of contrast - just like the health systems.

11-02-2020 02:18PM

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YFlyer · 11-02-2020 02:21PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Its really not alarmist though, ncov does look impossible to contain, and has a higher transmission rate than for example swine flu which infected 1 in 3 people worldwide in 2009. Long asymptomatic infectious incubation period, survives tropical weather, stays on surfaces for a long time, a pandemic is pretty much inevitable.

Did a third of the world population get the swine flu?

ThePopehimself · 11-02-2020 02:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have just spoken to somebody with connections in the medical and political world, who has heard that we have several individuals in quarantine in Ireland. It is not beyond the realm of possibility we already have it here, but sane person told me there is a policy of keeping it as quiet as possible to stop public unease.

Well I for one am willing to own the 'unease'.

odyssey06 · 11-02-2020 02:23PM

YFlyer wrote: »

Did a third of the world population get the swine flu?

Wikipedia says...
Estimated that 11–21% of the then global population (of about 6.8 billion), or around 700–1400 million people contracted the illness — more in absolute terms than the Spanish flu pandemic.[4] However, with about 150,000–575,000 fatalities, it had a much lower case fatality rate.

pc7 · 11-02-2020 02:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have just spoken to somebody with connections in the medical and political world, who has heard that we have several individuals in quarantine in Ireland. It is not beyond the realm of possibility we already have it here, but sane person told me there is a policy of keeping it as quiet as possible to stop public unease.

Did they say anything else Cat in terms of how they are preparing (HSE etc.) or what they are really expecting to happen?

odyssey06 · 11-02-2020 02:24PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Typical Irish attitude. We know better than you; you are all ill educated children; try and cover up all unpleasant things we don't want to admit go on here.
I posted a few pages back, a quote from the Queensland minister for health about testing and keeping the public informed. Couldn't be more of contrast - just like the health systems.

I think that's an implicit admission of their inabilities \ lack of confidence in dealing with what is to come...

cnocbui · 11-02-2020 02:30PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Whats up with media personally naming the british 'super spreader', youd think he was doing it on purpose the way its being reported. Pictures of the guy up all over skynews..wtf?

How about in case you had contact with him? Patient confidentiality and privacy don't go well with the overall aim of preventing a pandemic.

PhantomHat · 11-02-2020 02:30PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have just spoken to somebody with connections in the medical and political world, who has heard that we have several individuals in quarantine in Ireland. It is not beyond the realm of possibility we already have it here, but sane person told me there is a policy of keeping it as quiet as possible to stop public unease.

I think many people suspect this is the case. It pretty much boils down to as you say stopping public unease. And you can be sure the economy must be protected!! ðŸ™„

BanditLuke · 11-02-2020 02:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have just spoken to somebody with connections in the medical and political world, who has heard that we have several individuals in quarantine in Ireland. It is not beyond the realm of possibility we already have it here, but sane person told me there is a policy of keeping it as quiet as possible to stop public unease.

Absolutely pathetic if true. People have a right to be aware of the situation and prepare accordingly.

11-02-2020 02:32PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Wikipedia says...
Estimated that 11–21% of the then global population (of about 6.8 billion), or around 700–1400 million people contracted the illness — more in absolute terms than the Spanish flu pandemic.[4] However, with about 150,000–575,000 fatalities, it had a much lower case fatality rate.

It's worth noting that that is the estimated deaths calculated a couple of years later and shouldn't be compared to official deaths of other diseases. Swine flu official deaths were 18,500.

11-02-2020 02:34PM

Enda Brady has just been talking of the case of a superspreader in Britain, BrightonnI think, who has inadvertently spread it to several other people his was in (not very close I think) contact with on a skiing holiday. Other skiers got it from him. He is now recovering himself, and in quarantine in UK.

Going by this, some people in particular will be the locus of much spread before they themselves become very symptomatic. At least in the case of Influenza the onset is so abrupt and febrile that people become very sick within a day and there’s little mistaking it for a cold. It seems this Coronavirus starts insidiously like any other unpleasant cold, gets worse over a few days, then eases off before recovery or a second phase of severe and life threatening disease where the lungs “drown” in fluid. If that stage develops to life-threatening severity an ECMO blood oxygenating machine is the only way to ensure a good chance of survival. There are not many of these around at this point in our medical development, no doubt they will become fairly standard pieces of hospital kit in a decade or so.

Drumpot · 11-02-2020 02:34PM

pc7 wrote: »

Did they say anything else Cat in terms of how they are preparing (HSE etc.) or what they are really expecting to happen?

Emergency Protocol 1 (a)

All resources will be redirected to ensure there will be no shortage of bread. Communication network between Brennan’s and government will be established.

Emergency Protocol 1(b)

Resources not used in 1(a) will be redirected to Barry’s to ensure there will be no shortage of tea........

cnocbui · 11-02-2020 02:34PM

wellwhynot wrote: »

From the HSE

Interim Director of the Health Protection Surveillance Centre Dr John Cuddihy said the ability of the virus to transmit from person to person is limited.

He said there is no confirmed case in Ireland and people are extremely unlikely to catch the virus here.

I wonder will the HSE retract the above statement that we always knew to be incorrect.

Here is part of my answer to him:

brick tamland · 11-02-2020 02:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have just spoken to somebody with connections in the medical and political world, who has heard that we have several individuals in quarantine in Ireland. It is not beyond the realm of possibility we already have it here, but sane person told me there is a policy of keeping it as quiet as possible to stop public unease.

I'd be way more worried if we didnt have people in quarantine tbh.

odyssey06 · 11-02-2020 02:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's worth noting that that is the estimated deaths calculated a couple of years later and shouldn't be compared to official deaths of other diseases. Swine flu official deaths were 18,500.

Well we know that the Chinese official deaths for regular influenza are bogus and always have been, so swine flu would be no exception.
The swine flu deaths are probably down under pneumonia or bronchitis etc etc

silverharp · 11-02-2020 02:55PM

So apparently the Chinese aren't counting Asymptomatic people anymore? tying to smooth out the numbers?

gozunda · 11-02-2020 02:57PM

Interesting piece on the Radio this morning which detailed that the Chinese government were making available an App which could be used by people in China to check if they had been in contact with any known infected persons.

I think how it works is that a persons ID number and their phone number are entered and the App will then show likley incidences of contact.

All fine but it does show the level of information the Chinese goverment has on its citizens and their movements. Big brother there is looking after you ...

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51439401

YFlyer · 11-02-2020 02:59PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Wikipedia says...
Estimated that 11–21% of the then global population (of about 6.8 billion), or around 700–1400 million people contracted the illness — more in absolute terms than the Spanish flu pandemic.[4] However, with about 150,000–575,000 fatalities, it had a much lower case fatality rate.

Wow.

givyjoe · 11-02-2020 03:00PM

gozunda wrote: »

Interesting piece on the Radio this morning which detailed that the Chinese government were making available an App which could be used by people in China to check if they had been in contact with any known infected persons.

I think how it works is that a persons ID number and their phone number are entered and the App and the app will then show likley incidences of contact.

All fine but it does show the level of information the Chinese goverment has on its citizens and their movements. Big brother there is looking after you ...

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51439401

Also makes it really easy for them to find you and come knocking on your door, for a nice trip to mandatory quarantine.

YFlyer · 11-02-2020 03:03PM

cnocbui wrote: »

How about in case you had contact with him? Patient confidentiality and privacy don't go well with the overall aim of preventing a pandemic.

Florida authorities are adamant to uphold patient confidentiality.

4068ac1elhodqr · 11-02-2020 03:12PM

gozunda wrote: »

Interesting piece on the Radio this morning which detailed that the Chinese government were making available an App which could be used by people in China to check if they had been in contact with any known infected persons.

I think how it works is that a persons ID number and their phone number are entered and the App will then show likley incidences of contact.

All fine but it does show the level of information the Chinese goverment has on its citizens and their movements. Big brother there is looking after you ...

They've already introduced Facial Scans to anyone registering a new mobile, to match any digital ID used.

Combined with street level FRS (includes gait), and even iRed heat sensors, they'll quickly find anyone running a bit of a temperature. They're aiming for 1/5bn CCTV cameras for the end of the year. Interesting social (credit) experiment they're building.

We welcome the new Chinese overlords, new china is best china....

givyjoe · 11-02-2020 03:17PM

GP's update retweeted by HSE:

https://www.icgpnews.ie/update-for-gps-on-the-emerging-picture-on-the-novel-coronavirus-infection/

tuxy · 11-02-2020 03:19PM

givyjoe wrote: »

GP's update retweeted by HSE:

https://www.icgpnews.ie/update-for-gps-on-the-emerging-picture-on-the-novel-coronavirus-infection/

So they are now providing the exact same advice as the NHS only it took them an extra 7 days to copy and paste that advice.

car_radio19834 · 11-02-2020 03:20PM

A week will tell a lot for this virus.

11-02-2020 03:27PM

car_radio19834 wrote: »

A week will tell a lot for this virus.

Yep. All new cases in like a week or more in Vietnam have been close family or neighbours. If it stays quiet outside of the core groups like that, it will be ok I guess. As for China, who knows what happened there.

11-02-2020 03:28PM

tuxy wrote: »

So they are now providing the exact same advice as the NHS only it took them an extra 7 days to copy and paste that advice.

We may have no confirmed Coronavirus but chlamydia is on the rise.

https://www.hpsc.ie/notifiablediseases/weeklyidreports/ID%20Week%205.pdf

Timberrrrrrrr · 11-02-2020 03:28PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

We may have no confirmed Coronavirus but chlamydia is on the rise.

https://www.hpsc.ie/notifiablediseases/weeklyidreports/ID%20Week%205.pdf

Yeah

Sorry about that

gozunda · 11-02-2020 03:29PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Also makes it really easy for them to find you and come knocking on your door, for a nice trip to mandatory quarantine.

That and the fact that pharmacies there must report anyone buying cough medicine or any other drugs to the relevant local authorities.

There was a report on it - I'll see if I can find it.

11-02-2020 03:29PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yeah

Sorry about that

Syphilis too. That your doing as well?

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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