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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #4652
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Drumpot wrote: »
    This is a virus, its spreading around the world, its killing some people and we dont yet know the full extent of how it will impact us all. These are just facts, yet I feel silly for discussing it with people . . :o

    It spread very fast on the Diamond Princess. At least 135 infected now.

    It seems that people on board are left quarantined with very little medical care but all other needs are well taken care of.
    I know you can make the argument that this may be too late but in two weeks time we will have a good idea how the human body deals with this infection when not kept in horribly cramped, overcrowded conditions like in China.


  • #4653
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Whats up with media personally naming the british 'super spreader', youd think he was doing it on purpose the way its being reported. Pictures of the guy up all over skynews..wtf?

    He made public statements where he possibly did not ask to be kept anonymous.

    He did everything correctly.


  • #4654
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    tuxy wrote: »
    He made public statements where he possibly did not ask to be kept anonymous.

    He did everything correctly.

    Yeh but just seems so oddly irrelevant for the media to post about his personal details


  • #4655
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Whats up with media personally naming the british 'super spreader', youd think he was doing it on purpose the way its being reported. Pictures of the guy up all over skynews..wtf?

    Sky News are tripe


  • #4656
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Whats up with media personally naming the british 'super spreader', youd think he was doing it on purpose the way its being reported. Pictures of the guy up all over skynews..wtf?

    Could possibly be that they are hoping others might recognise being in contact with him even if they don’t know him?


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  • #4657
    brick tamland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭brick tamland


    tuxy wrote: »
    He made public statements where he possibly did not ask to be kept anonymous.

    He did everything correctly.

    As did his employer (he was away for work when contracting virus), clearly naming him. No issues at all


  • #4658
    ThePopehimself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Its funny cause I have started to discuss this with my wife and tried to send on the links of that Doctor to some friends and I feel like a Lune.

    This is a virus, its spreading around the world, its killing some people and we dont yet know the full extent of how it will impact us all. These are just facts, yet I feel silly for discussing it with people . . :o

    Yep. You run the risk of being a plonker /scare mongering if you do but negligent if you don’t.

    Where is the line?


  • #4659
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,142 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Reading this thread is both enlightening and kind of terrifying.

    There is probably an element of scaremongering and exaggeration going-on in the media, whilst other organisations are perhaps a bit too complacent. I sit somewhere in the middle, in that I realise it is a very real threat, but hope that it will not affect us to the extent to which it is affecting the Chinese. However, having read all the various information on here, I do believe that it is time for radical action/intervention. We are a small island, on the extremities of Europe, surely it should be easier to prevent an outbreak here compared to other countries. Would it be that alarmist for screening to be set-up at all ports/airports. And a reduction in traffic volumes passing through these facilities (particularly traffic from SE Asia) would seem obvious too. I know there are economic implications but, given the supposed severity of this case, restrictions would be justified..


  • #4660
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,953 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    dominatinMC wrote: »
    Reading this thread is both enlightening and kind of terrifying.

    There is probably an element of scaremongering and exaggeration going-on in the media, whilst other organisations are perhaps a bit too complacent. I sit somewhere in the middle, in that I realise it is a very real threat, but hope that it will not affect us to the extent to which it is affecting the Chinese. However, having read all the various information on here, I do believe that it is time for radical action/intervention. We are a small island, on the extremities of Europe, surely it should be easier to prevent an outbreak here compared to other countries. Would it be that alarmist for screening to be set-up at all ports/airports. And a reduction in traffic volumes passing through these facilities (particularly traffic from SE Asia) would seem obvious too. I know there are economic implications but, given the supposed severity of this case, restrictions would be justified..

    We dont have any direct flights from asia to ireland. you would have to quaratine massive amounts of people. a little early for that.


  • #4661
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    dominatinMC wrote: »

    ...but hope that it will not affect us to the extent to which it is affecting the Chinese.

    The number of affected people in China is 0.0028% of the total 1.5 billion Chinese people
    There are 5 milion in Ireland, with 140 cases we will be already on the same level as China


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  • #4662
    auspicious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭auspicious


    Any update on that child recently returned from China? It's a disservice to the rest of us if it's parents haven't checked in with the department of public health as outlined in HSE guidelines.


  • #4663
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Sometimes there are advantages to being an island off an island.

    All makes one wonder just how many of these highly contagious virus have been transmitted within China
    down the generations but which never bothered the rest of us in the era before they opened up to the world.


  • #4664
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    dominatinMC wrote: »
    Reading this thread is both enlightening and kind of terrifying.

    There is probably an element of scaremongering and exaggeration going-on in the media, whilst other organisations are perhaps a bit too complacent. I sit somewhere in the middle, in that I realise it is a very real threat, but hope that it will not affect us to the extent to which it is affecting the Chinese. However, having read all the various information on here, I do believe that it is time for radical action/intervention. We are a small island, on the extremities of Europe, surely it should be easier to prevent an outbreak here compared to other countries. Would it be that alarmist for screening to be set-up at all ports/airports. And a reduction in traffic volumes passing through these facilities (particularly traffic from SE Asia) would seem obvious too. I know there are economic implications but, given the supposed severity of this case, restrictions would be justified..

    Screen for what? People who are symptomatic?
    Can carry it for a month without having symptoms, which makes all the 2 week quarantines useless. People can test negative then positive.

    How can you stop a virus like this?

    Im surprised there isnt more news on the cases in Europe.
    How are the Germans doing?
    Anyone in Wirral develop symptoms?


  • #4665
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    tuxy wrote: »
    It spread very fast on the Diamond Princess. At least 135 infected now.

    It seems that people on board are left quarantined with very little medical care but all other needs are well taken care of.
    I know you can make the argument that this may be too late but in two weeks time we will have a good idea how the human body deals with this infection when not kept in horribly cramped, overcrowded conditions like in China.
    Nice little experiment they have going on there. Probabaly be able to pull some very useful data from it RE: coronavirus


  • #4666
    wellwhynot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭wellwhynot


    From the HSE

    Interim Director of the Health Protection Surveillance Centre Dr John Cuddihy said the ability of the virus to transmit from person to person is limited.

    He said there is no confirmed case in Ireland and people are extremely unlikely to catch the virus here.

    I wonder will the HSE retract the above statement that we always knew to be incorrect.


  • #4667
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,142 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Screen for what? People who are symptomatic? Yes
    Can carry it for a month without having symptoms, which makes all the 2 week quarantines useless. People can test negative then positive. Quarantine them for longer so - isn't that preferable than having the virus spread throughout the country. Short term pain (for those in quarantine) for the long term benefit of the country

    How can you stop a virus like this? :confused:

    Im surprised there isnt more news on the cases in Europe.
    How are the Germans doing?
    Anyone in Wirral develop symptoms?


    What I'm suggesting is extreme but, as others have alluded to, if such extreme/draconian measures are what's needed to prevent an outbreak here, so be it. As for me, I'm off west to reinhabit the Blasket Islands until all this blows over :pac:


  • #4668
    ThePopehimself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    wellwhynot wrote: »
    From the HSE

    Interim Director of the Health Protection Surveillance Centre Dr John Cuddihy said the ability of the virus to transmit from person to person is limited.

    He said there is no confirmed case in Ireland and people are extremely unlikely to catch the virus here.

    I wonder will the HSE retract the above statement that we always knew to be incorrect.
    Could you link to that? Many thanks:)


  • #4669
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Sometimes there are advantages to being an island off an island.
    dominatinMC wrote: »
    As for me, I'm off west to reinhabit the Blasket Islands until all this blows over :pac:

    Even better - an island off an island which is off an island (but take a gun just in case!)


  • #4670
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »
    Paid content in The Guardian is clearly marked as such.Opinion pieces are also clearly indicated. The linked article is neither paid content nor an opinion piece.You disagree with ithe paper's position regarding vegetarianism and have stated they receive funding from a plant food group (or whatever the term is). You view the paper as pushing an agenda in that regard - which it does quite openly. It's normal for a paper to have political positions, and it does not undermine its quality of journalism. I would say that its stance on vegetarianism is of no relevance to the article.Anyway you're right that we shouldn't drag the thread off topic. I just wanted to give context to your assertion that the paper is not reliable as a source of information. (I completely disagree.)

    Incorrect. to answer that - glad to see you agree they are 'agenda' driven btw. My criticism of the newspaper as a whole and across a whole range of their reporting - is that they declare their journalism to be impartial - however being paid to write content is clearly a breach of that impartiality. As click bait they regularly use sensationalist 'the end of the world is nigh' tabloid type headlines. A number of their paid journalists are well known extremists. And no I have no idea what their stance on 'vegetarianism' is by the way. But yes they do recieve funds from the plant food industry via an American pressure group to write paid pieces. In summary the reliability of their journalism is at best highly questionable I would certainly not be using same to learn about the current outbreak of Coronavirus tbh.


  • #4671
    car_radio19834
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 247 ✭✭car_radio19834


    I'd say the HSE are not providing the correct precautions and advice so people don't start panicking and fill up their GPs and hospitals with "I have a cough, can I be tested?" etc.

    When a case is confirmed here, all bets are off. I will be stocking up on KG's of pasta and rice. We saw what it was like with just snow.
    Indeed have closed their office in Dublin due to the virus.

    UK cases doubled yesterday.


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  • #4672
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,953 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    gozunda wrote: »
    Incorrect. to answer that - glad to see you agree they are 'agenda' driven btw. My criticism of the newspaper as a whole and across a whole range of their reporting - is that they declare their journalism to be impartial - however being paid to write content is clearly a breach of that impartiality. As click bait they regularly use sensationalist 'the end of the world is nigh' tabloid type headlines. A number of their paid journalists are well known extremists. And no I have no idea what their stance on 'vegetarianism' is by the way. But yes they do recieve funds from the plant food industry via an American pressure group to write paid pieces. In summary the reliability of their journalism is at best highly questionable I would certainly not be using same to learn about the current outbreak of Coronavirus tbh.

    They quoted the professor in question so any question of an agenda with the article is nonsense. It wasn't an opinion piece.


  • #4673
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Even better - an island off an island which is off an island (but take a gun just in case!)


    If it hit here, I think it would be time for me to head to the ancestral land in the hills for a bit.


  • #4674
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    They quoted the professor in question so any question of an agenda with the article is nonsense. It wasn't an opinion piece.

    Misquoting me there I see. I didnt say it was opinion piece. And it was the previous poster who claimed the newspaper has an agenda. What is true is that the same newspaper uses sensationalist type headlines as clickbait on a regular basis. My opinion of the newspaper as a whole stands. Sorry if you dont like that.


  • #4675
    Unreg0909
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Unreg0909


    auspicious wrote: »
    Any update on that child recently returned from China? It's a disservice to the rest of us if it's parents haven't checked in with the department of public health as outlined in HSE guidelines.

    Confirmed everything is fine. Actually a bit of misunderstanding on my daughters part so I deleted my original post as I was worrying uncessarily. Apologies.


  • #4676
    Unreg0909
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Unreg0909


    auspicious wrote: »
    Any update on that child recently returned from China? It's a disservice to the rest of us if it's parents haven't checked in with the department of public health as outlined in HSE guidelines.

    Confirmed everything is fine. Actually a bit of misunderstanding on my daughters part so I deleted my original post as I was worrying uncessarily. Apologies.


  • #4677
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    wellwhynot wrote: »
    From the HSE

    Interim Director of the Health Protection Surveillance Centre Dr John Cuddihy said the ability of the virus to transmit from person to person is limited.

    He said there is no confirmed case in Ireland and people are extremely unlikely to catch the virus here.

    I wonder will the HSE retract the above statement that we always knew to be incorrect.


    A bit of a business as usual nothing to see here response. They say that the captain of the Titanic told them not to slow down when warned of ice flows ahead.


  • #4678
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have just spoken to somebody with connections in the medical and political world, who has heard that we have several individuals in quarantine in Ireland. It is not beyond the realm of possibility we already have it here, but sane person told me there is a policy of keeping it as quiet as possible to stop public unease.


  • #4679
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I have just spoken to somebody with connections in the medical and political world, who has heard that we have several individuals in quarantine in Ireland. It is not beyond the realm of possibility we already have it here, but sane person told me there is a policy of keeping it as quiet as possible to stop public unease.


    Pretty much as I suspected. However, they won't be able to keep it under wraps for long.


  • #4680
    Zenify
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭Zenify


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    sane person told me there is a policy of keeping it as quiet as possible to stop public unease.

    It's all ok. The irish people never panic... I'm currently writing my will after reading boards.


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  • #4681
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,283 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    ThePopehimself wrote: »
    Could you link to that? Many thanks:)

    Interim Director of the Health Protection Surveillance Centre Dr John Cuddihy said the ability of the virus to transmit from person to person is limited.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0206/1113607-coronavirus-hse/

    Public confidence in the competence of Dr John Cuddihy is limited.
    (see what i did there)

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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