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tuxy · 11-02-2020 10:36AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Super spreader in UK names and has made a statement

https://news.sky.com/story/identity-of-man-linked-to-11-british-coronavirus-cases-revealed-11931336

So he’s now Coronavirus free?

Recovered and now symptom free.
He will probably be kept in quarantine for some time and tested again to be safe.

s7ryf3925pivug · 11-02-2020 10:36AM

wakka12 wrote: »

CDC Director - ' Obviously in China they're in mitigation stages..they're really now beyond containment.'

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f1wuim/obviously_in_china_theyre_in_mitigation_stages/

They are still attempting containment though. Mitigation as I understand it means directing resources to treating the most unwell as opposed to quarantining all the infected. At least that what they say they mean by it in Ireland.

11-02-2020 10:43AM

tuxy wrote: »

Recovered and now symptom free.
He will probably be kept in quarantine for some time and tested again to be safe.

But he never showed any symptoms according to himself. He contacted the NHS because he found out he was exposed to virus by someone else. So what exactly has he recovered from?

If the virus has now left his system, he’s a brilliant case study to have.

BanditLuke · 11-02-2020 10:44AM

I do wish people would stop using the word "panic". Pointing out what's going on and being prepared isn't panic. We are on the crust of something very very serious and we all should be rightfully worried given the state of our health service. It's not the virus that will kill in large numbers it's the fact we will be over run and not be able to help and treat patients thus resulting in deaths.

odyssey06 · 11-02-2020 10:49AM

We shall fight them in the bathrooms.
We shall fight them at the deli counter.
We shall fight them on rush hour buses.
et certa et cetera

(I mean the virus not the Chinese!)

ThePopehimself · 11-02-2020 10:54AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

I do wish people would stop using the word "panic". Pointing out what's going on and being prepared isn't panic. We are on the crust of something very very serious and we all should be rightfully worried given the state of our health service. It's not the virus that will kill in large numbers it's the fact we will be over run and not be able to help and treat patients thus resulting in deaths.

Agreed.
We should be careful not to confuse sensible informed measures with what is too glibly being labelled as ‘Panic’. We tend to do that, we’re mortified to wear the reflective jacket until we realize the rest of the world is wearing one.

ohnonotgmail · 11-02-2020 10:54AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

But he never showed any symptoms according to himself. He contacted the NHS because he found out he was exposed to virus by someone else. So what exactly has he recovered from?

If the virus has now left his system, he’s a brilliant case study to have.

Maybe he is only a carrier. a modern day typhoid mary.

s7ryf3925pivug · 11-02-2020 11:02AM

I might get a funnel, tube, 5l bottle and a towel for my car - with a view to avoiding trips to public toilets in the event of an outbreak.

They should really change the flush mechanism of toilets to one that doesn't create a mist of poo particles. (Coronavirus outbreak or otherwise.)

Hector Savage · 11-02-2020 11:04AM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

I might get a funnel, tube, 5l bottle and a towel for my car - with a view to avoiding trips to public toilets in the event of an outbreak.

They should really change the flush mechanism of toilets to one that doesn't create a mist of poo particles. (Coronavirus outbreak or otherwise.)

What good would that do ? most cases are spread by coughing/sneezing in public ...

Wibbs · 11-02-2020 11:04AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Maybe he is only a carrier. a modern day typhoid mary.

Maybe, but I'd like to understand the mechanism and hard science of this "super spreader" idea. To be such a case a person would be pumping out a much higher viral cloud than average. Which would also mean more of their cells have been hijacked by the virus and replicating same at a higher rate than average. So more of his cells would be compromised and dying or dead.

I can see how a bacterial "super spreader" can exist. In that case their bodies have I suppose declared a truce of sorts, at a level where they're not obviously sick, but the bacteria are still being produced and passed to others(Typhoid Mary a good example), but since a virus hijacks and usually kills or majorly disables the host cells I'm not seeing how in the case of viral infections?

So the obvious question remains; how would someone like that be asymptomatic yet produce more viral particles to infect others?

s7ryf3925pivug · 11-02-2020 11:08AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

What good would that do ? most cases are spread by coughing/sneezing in public ...

There's evidence that you can catch it by getting other people's poo in your mouth. When you flush a toilet with the lid up, aerosolized poo particles go into the air. So when you go into a public toilet you breathe in tiny amounts of public poo.

Definitely a good place to put hepa air purifiers. Ones with charcoal filters would eliminate odour as well.

s7ryf3925pivug · 11-02-2020 11:09AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Maybe, but I'd like to understand the mechanism and hard science of this "super spreader" idea. To be such a case a person would be pumping out a much higher viral cloud than average. Which would also mean more of their cells have been hijacked by the virus and replicating same at a higher rate than average. So more of his cells would be compromised and dying or dead.

I can see how a bacterial "super spreader" can exist. In that case their bodies have I suppose declared a truce of sorts, at a level where they're not obviously sick, but the bacteria are still being produced and passed to others(Typhoid Mary a good example), but since a virus hijacks and usually kills or majorly disables the host cells I'm not seeing how in the case of viral infections?

So the obvious question remains; how would someone like that be asymptomatic yet produce more viral particles to infect others?

Farts. Wet farts.

ThePopehimself · 11-02-2020 11:12AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

What good would that do ? most cases are spread by coughing/sneezing in public ...

“Scientists still do not know for sure whether transmission is through droplets from coughs or possibly airborne particles.”
Professor Gabriel Leung, Chair of public health medicine at Hong Kong University
– one of the world’s experts on coronavirus epidemics. (Yesterday on his way to a meeting with international experts in Geneva )

ohnonotgmail · 11-02-2020 11:13AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Maybe, but I'd like to understand the mechanism and hard science of this "super spreader" idea. To be such a case a person would be pumping out a much higher viral cloud than average. Which would also mean more of their cells have been hijacked by the virus and replicating same at a higher rate than average. So more of his cells would be compromised and dying or dead.

I can see how a bacterial "super spreader" can exist. In that case their bodies have I suppose declared a truce of sorts, at a level where they're not obviously sick, but the bacteria are still being produced and passed to others(Typhoid Mary a good example), but since a virus hijacks and usually kills or majorly disables the host cells I'm not seeing how in the case of viral infections?

So the obvious question remains; how would someone like that be asymptomatic yet produce more viral particles to infect others?

According to the BBC this morning there are two types of super spreader. The first , like you say above, who just transmit more of the virus than others. The second are those who come into closer contact with large groups of people so have more chances to spread. Children are supposedly a good example of the second group. In the case of the english guy he could fall into the second group as well. He was in a ski chalet with a group of people for a week if i am remembering correctly so he had more opportunity to transmit the virus.

11-02-2020 11:16AM

wakka12 wrote: »

I'm not worried about my own health but I'm worried about how my older relatives will get through this.

And if you catch it a few times , each time your lungs get damaged? Or cytokine storm sometime,maybe you survive but with organ damage.

Draconian measures might be what we need. At all costs

timmyntc · 11-02-2020 11:18AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Maybe, but I'd like to understand the mechanism and hard science of this "super spreader" idea. To be such a case a person would be pumping out a much higher viral cloud than average. Which would also mean more of their cells have been hijacked by the virus and replicating same at a higher rate than average. So more of his cells would be compromised and dying or dead.

I can see how a bacterial "super spreader" can exist. In that case their bodies have I suppose declared a truce of sorts, at a level where they're not obviously sick, but the bacteria are still being produced and passed to others(Typhoid Mary a good example), but since a virus hijacks and usually kills or majorly disables the host cells I'm not seeing how in the case of viral infections?

So the obvious question remains; how would someone like that be asymptomatic yet produce more viral particles to infect others?

Likely depends on where the virus is concentrated in the body.
In bats, there is increased viral shedding when viruses are concentrated in kidneys/intestines (corona viruses affect both of these).
Maybe yer man peed on his hands/didn't wash them well and then just touched at load of stuff?

ThePopehimself · 11-02-2020 11:18AM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

There's evidence that you can catch it by getting other people's poo in your mouth. When you flush a toilet with the lid up, aerosolized poo particles go into the air. So when you go into a public toilet you breathe in tiny amounts of public poo.

Definitely a good place to put hepa air purifiers. Ones with charcoal filters would eliminate odour as well.

I'd send that straight into the Lancet for Peer-Review, you've a way with words! :pac:;):D

11-02-2020 11:19AM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

Farts. Wet farts.

Your username suits you so well

BanditLuke · 11-02-2020 11:20AM

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0211/1114493-coronavirus/

Grave threat to the world.

Drumpot · 11-02-2020 11:22AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Maybe, but I'd like to understand the mechanism and hard science of this "super spreader" idea. To be such a case a person would be pumping out a much higher viral cloud than average. Which would also mean more of their cells have been hijacked by the virus and replicating same at a higher rate than average. So more of his cells would be compromised and dying or dead.

I can see how a bacterial "super spreader" can exist. In that case their bodies have I suppose declared a truce of sorts, at a level where they're not obviously sick, but the bacteria are still being produced and passed to others(Typhoid Mary a good example), but since a virus hijacks and usually kills or majorly disables the host cells I'm not seeing how in the case of viral infections?

So the obvious question remains; how would someone like that be asymptomatic yet produce more viral particles to infect others?

I know this sounds silly but it makes me think of the child in 28 weeks later who has the virus but he can only pass it on (he doesnt actually suffer from the virus personally).

ThePopehimself · 11-02-2020 11:22AM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

Farts. Wet farts.

There you go again! So much in so few words

Stark · 11-02-2020 11:24AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Maybe, but I'd like to understand the mechanism and hard science of this "super spreader" idea. To be such a case a person would be pumping out a much higher viral cloud than average. Which would also mean more of their cells have been hijacked by the virus and replicating same at a higher rate than average. So more of his cells would be compromised and dying or dead.

I can see how a bacterial "super spreader" can exist. In that case their bodies have I suppose declared a truce of sorts, at a level where they're not obviously sick, but the bacteria are still being produced and passed to others(Typhoid Mary a good example), but since a virus hijacks and usually kills or majorly disables the host cells I'm not seeing how in the case of viral infections?

So the obvious question remains; how would someone like that be asymptomatic yet produce more viral particles to infect others?

In the case of the common cold, the virus itself doesn't actually damage cells in the process of replication. It's the effect of the immune system detecting the virus and destroying cells in the process that causes the symptoms. So it's possible to have the virus and be asymptomatic if it flies under the immune system's radar.

Drumpot · 11-02-2020 11:26AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

I do wish people would stop using the word "panic". Pointing out what's going on and being prepared isn't panic. We are on the crust of something very very serious and we all should be rightfully worried given the state of our health service. It's not the virus that will kill in large numbers it's the fact we will be over run and not be able to help and treat patients thus resulting in deaths.

Its funny cause I have started to discuss this with my wife and tried to send on the links of that Doctor to some friends and I feel like a Lune.

This is a virus, its spreading around the world, its killing some people and we dont yet know the full extent of how it will impact us all. These are just facts, yet I feel silly for discussing it with people . .

wakka12 · 11-02-2020 11:33AM

Whats up with media personally naming the british 'super spreader', youd think he was doing it on purpose the way its being reported. Pictures of the guy up all over skynews..wtf?

tuxy · 11-02-2020 11:34AM

Drumpot wrote: »

This is a virus, its spreading around the world, its killing some people and we dont yet know the full extent of how it will impact us all. These are just facts, yet I feel silly for discussing it with people . .

It spread very fast on the Diamond Princess. At least 135 infected now.

It seems that people on board are left quarantined with very little medical care but all other needs are well taken care of.
I know you can make the argument that this may be too late but in two weeks time we will have a good idea how the human body deals with this infection when not kept in horribly cramped, overcrowded conditions like in China.

tuxy · 11-02-2020 11:36AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Whats up with media personally naming the british 'super spreader', youd think he was doing it on purpose the way its being reported. Pictures of the guy up all over skynews..wtf?

He made public statements where he possibly did not ask to be kept anonymous.

He did everything correctly.

wakka12 · 11-02-2020 11:37AM

tuxy wrote: »

He made public statements where he possibly did not ask to be kept anonymous.

He did everything correctly.

Yeh but just seems so oddly irrelevant for the media to post about his personal details

GooglePlus · 11-02-2020 11:37AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Whats up with media personally naming the british 'super spreader', youd think he was doing it on purpose the way its being reported. Pictures of the guy up all over skynews..wtf?

Sky News are tripe

11-02-2020 11:37AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Whats up with media personally naming the british 'super spreader', youd think he was doing it on purpose the way its being reported. Pictures of the guy up all over skynews..wtf?

Could possibly be that they are hoping others might recognise being in contact with him even if they don’t know him?

brick tamland · 11-02-2020 11:39AM

tuxy wrote: »

He made public statements where he possibly did not ask to be kept anonymous.

He did everything correctly.

As did his employer (he was away for work when contracting virus), clearly naming him. No issues at all

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