What have we come to

YFlyer · 10-02-2020 11:45PM

Kason Fancy Coal wrote: »

Just look at Claire Byrne, where Eoin Ó Broin is desperately trying to explain away "Up the Republic, up the Ra, and tiocfaidh ár lá" on so-called "tiredness."

Lack of sleep is a tactic to make you talk.

gormdubhgorm · 10-02-2020 11:46PM

Kason Fancy Coal wrote: »

He made a right tit of himself on "The Last Word" with Matt Cooper

https://www.todayfm.com/podcasts/the-last-word-with-matt-cooper/david-cullinane-ira-election

"I won't distance myself from the IRA"

Similar tactic to what Gerry Adams said in 1982 -

Never a member apparently but "would never disassociate himself from the IRA"

GreenandRed · 10-02-2020 11:47PM

YFlyer wrote: »

Lack of sleep is a tactic to make you talk.

Claire makes me wide awake.

The Golden Miller · 10-02-2020 11:47PM

holyhead wrote: »

The actions of SF/IRA run completely counter to what decent Irish people stand for. .

And what do "decent Irish people" stand for? Since we're talking about the north, what did many of these "decent Irish people" do during the Troubles? Stand on the sidelines while their own people were brutalised by a sectarian regime north of the border. What did the decent Irish politicians do? Stand by and do nothing/procrastinate through the situation,

James Brown · 10-02-2020 11:49PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am sounding a lot more rational than you dismissing murder and cover up of murder as certain issues.Then trying to brush of David Culliane's speech with glib comments.
You are the same fella who screamed hatchet job when Mary Lou gave that terrible performance on Primetime. But had no excuse for your comrade Dave 'up the ra' Cullinane.

This is coming from the same poster who is vehemently anti FG yet uses thier party leader's partner as thier username.

If the likes of you view me as 'arrogant and ignorant' I think that is no bad thing.

And yes I did say the 'likes of you' on purpose.

There are three parties with 50% of the seats who do not want SF in a coalition before this election. That is the real mandate from this election.

Never dismissed murder. Try stay honest even just for clarity sake.
You're comparing apples and spark plugs.
One is an elected shinner shouting up the 'ra and the other was a media being completely biased in the run up to an election.
I'm not a shinner. Didn't even vote SF, but I'm delighted with the election.
Oh the name again. It's not as much craic now.
You sound desperate.

James Brown · 10-02-2020 11:50PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Similar tactic to what Gerry Adams said in 1982 -

Never a member apparently but "would never disassociate himself from the IRA"

[...]

Why would he? There was a conflict.
1982. Ha

its 2020 comrade.
Hes retired and wed a peace agreement 20 odd years ago

holyhead · 10-02-2020 11:50PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

And what do "decent Irish people" stand for? Since we're talking about the north, what did many of these "decent Irish people" do during the Troubles? Stand on the sidelines while their own people were brutalised by a sectarian regime north of the border. What did the decent Irish politicians do? Stand by and do nothing/procrastinate through the situation,

We didn't disappear a young widow leaving children orphaned. We didn't break every bone in a young man's body and then smear his name by labelling him a criminal. We didn't blow up children in England trying to unite our island.

What did you seriously expect Irish people to do. March up to another jurisdiction with a sense of moral outrage. What could the politicians realistically have done. Their was a private army killing and maiming in the pursuit of Irish unity.

Jinglejangle69 · 10-02-2020 11:51PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Never dismissed murder. Try stay honest even just for clarity sake.
You're comparing apples and spark plugs.
One is an elected shinner shouting up the 'ra and the other was a media being completely biased in the run up to an election.
I'm not a shinner. Didn't even vote SF, but I'm delighted with the election.
Oh the name again. It's not as much craic now.
You sound desperate.

You said you were voting SF a few weeks back.

What changes your mind?

Mr.Nice Guy · 10-02-2020 11:52PM

The hand-wringing and moralising on this thread is hilarious.

Simon Coveney only a few weeks ago was pressuring the parties in NI to go into government - including Sinn Fein. When they all did so, Coveney got a big pat on the back. But now that the prospect of SF being in government down here is likely, FG supporters are losing their marbles. If it's good enough for up the road, it's good enough for down the road.

And how much time is necessary to pass before SF are deemed palatable to the FG crowd, one wonders? It's already taken longer than it took for FG to get into power in 1948, 15 odd years after their fascist forebears the Blueshirts were shaming the country...

Get a grip, folks.

Duke of Url · 10-02-2020 11:53PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Looking forward to this left wing paradise

cHAnGe

This will be legal looting of state coffers on a grand scale.

Bill 2.0 · 10-02-2020 11:55PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

But now that the prospect of SF being in government down here is likely, FG supporters are losing their marbles. If it's good enough for up the road, it's good enough for down the road.

Let the terrorists and their buddies run the that terrorist riddled kip into the ground.

Keep that nonsense away from the 3rd ranked country on Human Development Index.

FrancieBrady · 10-02-2020 11:56PM

holyhead wrote: »

Francie your republican credentials are well established and you are entitled to be a SF supporter. However many people in this country are horrified at the prospect of SF in government. They are horrified for a reason. The actions of SF/IRA run completely counter to what decent Irish people stand for.

The quality of a lot of people in SF leave a lot to be desired. Up the ra/tal Conor Murphy, the Kingsmill insult.

No problem saying that people have said things they shouldn't.

And certainly have no problem with the quality thing...I have never had an overview of the quality of all of a party's candidates in any election.

I certainly have no issue with the quality of SF's front bench and main players.

Here's my interpretation of 'decent'.
Most right thinking people are 'horrified' at all that happened in the most recent conflict/war. They understand or try to understand what happened and why it happened and understand that it may take a generation or two before it becomes normal again. They also understand that what happened, happened here too, not too long ago in the scheme of things and that people can return to normal politics after an horrific period of conflict.

gormdubhgorm · 10-02-2020 11:56PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Why would he? There was a conflict.
1982. Ha its 2020 comrade.

More deflection by you.

So what is David Culliane's excuse as a SF member and TD in 2020?

https://www.todayfm.com/podcasts/the-last-word-with-matt-cooper/david-cullinane-ira-election

The Golden Miller · 10-02-2020 11:57PM

holyhead wrote: »

We didn't disappear a young widow leaving children orphaned. We didn't break every bone in a young man's body and then smear his name by labelling him a criminal.

No, instead stood by while thousands of your own were injured, burned south, faced daily intimidation, murdered by state forces and their proxies.

How many Irish men died north of the border as a result of choices by decent Irish people south of the border to let them fend for themselves

Easy to preach from the comfort of the south until it's one of your own family murdered or intimidated by a foreign state. But alas, many down here simply want to brush that under the carpet, and solely point the finger at SF

Bill 2.0 · 10-02-2020 11:57PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

This will be legal looting of state coffers on a grand scale.

A lot of people wgho voted for SF are going to realise that they are "de rich" that are going to be taxed to **** to pay for this nonsense.

Remember that episode of the Simpsons where Homer became Sanitation Commisioner? We might well end up living that.

James Brown · 10-02-2020 11:58PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

You said you were voting SF a few weeks back.

What changes your mind?

I did nae.
No second candidate. Don't like o'snodaigh. Delighted they did well. It's all good you can sign me up as happy they are looking like getting in.

holyhead · 10-02-2020 11:59PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

No, instead stood by while thousands of your own were injured, burned south, faced daily intimidation, murdered by state forces and their proxies.

How many Irish men died north of the border as a result of choices by decent Irish people south of the border to let them fend for themselves

Easy to preach from the comfort of the south until it's one of your own family murdered or intimidated by a foreign state. But alas, many down here simply want to brush that under the carpet, and solely point the finger at SF

You still haven't answered what you realistically could have expected Irish people and politicians in the Republic to have done?

Guy:Incognito · 10-02-2020 11:59PM

Marty Bird wrote: »

If SF can do what Donald Trump has done for the USA in his time in office then we will be doing well.

Convince fools in red hats hes actually doing stuff and act like a child thats gotten hold of a phone on twitter? I'd hope the bar is a lot higher tbh.

Bill 2.0 · 10-02-2020 11:59PM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

How many Irish men died north of the border as a result of choices by decent Irish people south of the border to let them fend for themselves

None. Those were Northern Irish men/women dying. Different country, you see.

James Brown · 10-02-2020 11:59PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

More deflection by you.

So what is David Culliane's excuse as a SF member and TD in 2020?

https://www.todayfm.com/podcasts/the-last-word-with-matt-cooper/david-cullinane-ira-election

Be honest.
I commented on your video and comment ffs...
He needs no excuse. He's in SF

And I dont see a problem. Be bad press for SF I suppose.

Annabella1 · 11-02-2020 12:00AM

Feeling a bit jaded

‘Up the RA’

Goodnight

boggerman1 · 11-02-2020 12:00AM

Pretzill wrote: »

There's a lot of people taking this swing towards Sinn Fein very seriously - but I would say for every one of them, there are at least two who will rhu the day they scribbled Number 1 beside SF without even knowing what are who they were voting for.

There is no disputing we need change. But this isn't change, this could be the worst thing that has happened in decades, and it's not that it annoys me, because I would never vote FFG, it annoys me because there is so much ignorance behind this. It's a protest vote - worrying times.

So true.plenty of young people voted for shinners and they hadn’t a clue who or what they voted for.just vote sf

Ush1 · 11-02-2020 12:00AM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The hand-wringing and moralising on this thread is hilarious.

Simon Coveney only a few weeks ago was pressuring the parties in NI to go into government - including Sinn Fein. When they all did so, Coveney got a big pat on the back. But now that the prospect of SF being in government down here is likely, FG supporters are losing their marbles. If it's good enough for up the road, it's good enough for down the road.

And how much time is necessary to pass before SF are deemed palatable to the FG crowd, one wonders? It's already taken longer than it took for FG to get into power in 1948, 15 odd years after their fascist forebears the Blueshirts were shaming the country...

Get a grip, folks.

So SF supporters want SF to be in government with FG?

FrancieBrady · 11-02-2020 12:00AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

More deflection by you.

So what is David Culliane's excuse as a SF member and TD in 2020?

https://www.todayfm.com/podcasts/the-last-word-with-matt-cooper/david-cullinane-ira-election

What is our excuse when we sing our Anthem?

The Golden Miller · 11-02-2020 12:01AM

holyhead wrote: »

What did you seriously expect Irish people to do. March up to another jurisdiction with a sense of moral outrage. What could the politicians realistically have done. Their was a private army killing and maiming in the pursuit of Irish unity.

Well I'll tell you what the politicians did do/allow happen. Implement section 31 and push it way beyond it's intended purposes, to the point people down were censored to the day to day brutality the Irish in the north faced. Brush it under the carpet. It's what the political procrastinators down here always did

Duke of Url · 11-02-2020 12:01AM

So all seats are filled with SF as the largest party.

This will be interesting

FrancieBrady · 11-02-2020 12:01AM

Ush1 wrote: »

So SF supporters want SF to be in government with FG?

I voted for them to negotiate an acceptable programme for government with whomever they can.

What did you vote for?

The Golden Miller · 11-02-2020 12:02AM

holyhead wrote: »

You still haven't answered what you realistically could have expected Irish people and politicians in the Republic to have done?

Hmm, sort of hard when you edit the post after I wrote the message

gormdubhgorm · 11-02-2020 12:02AM

GreenandRed wrote: »

Cheers. Washington was young but he was a soldier, not liked he killed a young civilian on the street. And Barry played rugby for Belevedere College. But none of this will help us form a government in 2020.We need to look to 2020 issues rather than figure out how many party misdeeds makes peeople unelectable. I want an all party, including indies, government made up of the most capable people to do their job in particular departments and an end to bickering.

It is the SF hypocrisy. That is the fundamental to the reason why other parties, won't go into government with them.

Assetbacked · 11-02-2020 12:04AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

This will be legal looting of state coffers on a grand scale.

That was the bank bailout wasn't it?

What have we come to

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