What have we come to

Pretzill wrote: »

There's a lot of people taking this swing towards Sinn Fein very seriously - but I would say for every one of them, there are at least two who will rhu the day they scribbled Number 1 beside SF without even knowing what are who they were voting for.

There is no disputing we need change. But this isn't change, this could be the worst thing that has happened in decades, and it's not that it annoys me, because I would never vote FFG, it annoys me because there is so much ignorance behind this. It's a protest vote - worrying times.

It's not 1977. There's a few, not many, in FF and FG still that think people will vote on family party lines. FG seemed to put store in a social media presence that would bring them a big youth vote. Ecept many of the youth voters can use the same place they see social media to do some research on their candidates. Plus Varadkar was a poor FG leader, not so liked by some in Dublin and many outside of Dublin. A nice bloke but too naive for the top job.

GreenandRed wrote: »

It's not 1977. There's a few, not many, in FF and FG still that think people will vote on family party lines. FG seemed to put store in a social media presence that would bring them a big youth vote. Ecept many of the youth voters can use the same place they see social media to do some research on their candidates. Plus Varadkar was a poor FG leader, not so liked by some in Dublin and many outside of Dublin. A nice bloke but too naive for the top job.

I agree it's not 1977 - but it will soon feel like it.

bubblypop wrote: »

Foxtrol wrote: »

no, neither did any of the electorate in the republic of ireland.
no-one in the south voted with any thoughts to the north.
no-one.
unless they are terrorists .

But many keyboard experts in the south on how life in the North was easy for people, the upheaval they endured, whose lives were threatened. Sure they should have just stayed indoors and let their Civil Rights be trampled upon in their own land. Maybe right a few protest letters to the good olk in the government while taking a break from being interned.

Cupatae wrote: »

The thing about posts like that is they were vastly different times, and there's no real context to that post, Jesus were awful quick to demonise our own, but it was needs must back in those days and fair play to any of em that fought at the end of the day right or wrong they fought for this country .

Id be completely against voilence now a days but to disrespect the people that fought (for what they thought was right ) back in those days is just wrong and shameful and down right turning on your own.

Of course there is context SF constantly wallow in the past while pretending to look to the future.
You only have to look at David Culliane's speech or Michelle O'Neill carrying Annie Cahills coffin. Or Mary Lou's stance on the SCC.

All these things happened recently and one only happened yesterday.

blanch152 wrote: »

It is our Brexit, our Trump.

Nah, that comes next.


This is our Obama. "Change" for the sake of it even though we live in one of the greatest countries in the world.

GreenandRed wrote: »

and????

The second fact about Harold Washington is ignored by most and buried in history. Because it does not suit the republican narrative.

For instance one of the two RIC men who were ambushed in Solohedbeg 1919 (2 v 8) was one of your countymen from Belmullet?

James McDonnell fluent Irish speaker widower, RIC constable - who left 7 children behind when he was killed


http://www.thurles.info/2013/07/23/rare-unseen-pictures-which-relate-to-tipperary/

holyhead wrote: »

The problem is SF violence is not historic in the museum sense. It happened in the last 20 years. The murder of Paul Quinn, Robert McCartney and Kevin McGuigan being the most high profile.
In looking for change the Irish electorate has swung away from the traditional duopoly of FF/FG. Their is a reason why FF/FG won't countenance going into government with SF. Unionists watching on will spot the irony of it all.
If SF actually get into government it will be interesting to see how they get on. Just don't give them finance or justice.

See how they do before judging them. FF may well go in with them. No matter what portfolios they hold any legislation needs to be voted on so they can't go too gung ho, hopefully!

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They haven't been involved in any high level EU negotiations.

What high level negotiations was Simon Coveney involved in before he was actually involved in them?

Are you saying we should keep FG in power for all time or for the forseeable? You saw what the electorate thought of that last minute plea. Fine Gael got the lowest vote share since 1948

I'm saying instead of getting outraged by semantics you should give FG credit for their achievements in Brexit negotiations, especially when you're also claiming some historical party experience (which record isn't great in itself) will magically translate to SF TDs (the ghost of Martin McGuinness possessing them?)

Marty Bird wrote: »

If SF can do what Donald Trump has done for the USA in his time in office then we will be doing well.

Divide it, anger it, scare it, set the objective of uniting it back by decades?

They're off to a flying start anyway.

It's not our Trump, he's a right wing twat that got votes based on pump politics basically Trump is Haughey in a political sense. FF are a nationalist party - Sinn Fein are born out of the politics of another country (particularly this SF) I heard one of them referring to Northern Ireland today as another part of our country. But it's not. The Republic of Ireland or Ireland it isn't the North - we are world's apart and far more forward thinking.

I know this because I have spent time (in troubles) and in recent times in Northern Ireland. There is still sectarianism - (it may be more hidden) remember Derry last year.

I don't want SF representing me, no more than I'd want the DUP or the Tories.

I'm proud to be Irish, I don't see why being patriotic is becoming a dirty word maybe thats the best thing that has come out of this. The idea of celebrating a day for the RIC was a step too far, but it shouldn't have been far enough to bring up back to civil war politics. My hope is we'll be back at the polls on a warm day this summer with a revived and enlarged socialist democratic agenda.

Looking forward to this left wing paradise

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