GE Exit Poll 10 pm

Jinglejangle69 · 10-02-2020 10:53AM

I'm looking forward to a FF/SF partnership, be interesting to see what they can do.

is_that_so · 10-02-2020 10:54AM

limnam wrote: »

It looks like there's a high % that don't want change.

They're happy with what FF/FG are doing.

No, just people exercising their right to vote as they choose without others judging them, no less than any other voter.

meeeeh · 10-02-2020 10:55AM

xl500 wrote: »

SF now need to show leadership and not be influenced by Vested interests as FF are like Developers etc

what has happened to our Social Housing Policy is a disgrace giving Public Land to Private developers to built some social houses and the rest for themselves

We built major Social Housing Schemes in the past and can do it again but take the profiteers out of it

Set up a Housing Agency and directly build Social Housing as before look at Cabra,Crumlin,Driminagh,etc etc all built by Direct Labour

SF now need to start some major social projects in Transport Health Childcare etc

I know people say they will break the country well we have 200 billion Debt directly associated with FF so its hard to beat that also country was broke IMF had to Bail us out

The 200 Billion is causing us major problems and should be re-negotiated imagine what we could do with the 3 Billion Interest alone we are paying every year

Yeah it won't happen. Not for any ideological reasons but because nobody significantly repays the debt, they hope GDP will rise to reduce debt/gdp ratio. All you can hope is lower interest on debt but they are very low anyway.

I'm not opposed to state sponsored or led building, it works well in other countries however I would like to know where you are getting people who will do it at zero unemployment, no available rentals to import workforce and cost f work going up.

Yurt2 · 10-02-2020 10:55AM

Funny that a criticism of the left from the blues was that they run from power. Leo not exactly busting a sweat attempting to form a government from his demeanor
There's a feasible grand coalition on the table with FF.

road_high · 10-02-2020 10:56AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Or, FG could coalesce with FF.

No doubt you'd say that's a non runner though.

You have been coming across as quite bitter as last while RH tbh. My advice is to get used to things because the status quo has ended - FFG have lost their grip of power swapping every couple of elections.

That's a good thing.

Not bitter just wanting SF to accept the mandate they've been given. But all I'm hearing is "the next time etc etc etc". Quelle surprise there. Get in and govern and drop the endless excuess and what-ifs.

ILoveYourVibes · 10-02-2020 10:57AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I'm looking forward to a FF/SF partnership, be interesting to see what they can do.

SFs new voters might crucify them if they go into govt with FF and rightly so.

Those voters hate FF.

thequarefellow · 10-02-2020 10:57AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder will any of the current members of the Dail resign completely from politics over the head of this?

Are you suggesting that they will leave their cosy position on principle?

Keep wondering I'd say

Jinglejangle69 · 10-02-2020 10:58AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

SFs new voters might crucify them if they go into govt with FF and rightly so.

Those voters hate FF.

They have been given a mandate.

They need to do something with it.

ILoveYourVibes · 10-02-2020 10:58AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder will any of the current members of the Dail resign completely from politics over the head of this?

In their BUMS they will!

We pay them too well.

is_that_so · 10-02-2020 10:58AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Or, FG could coalesce with FF.

No doubt you'd say that's a non runner though.

You have been coming across as quite bitter as last while RH tbh. My advice is to get used to things because the status quo has ended - FFG have lost their grip of power swapping every couple of elections.

That's a good thing.

It is a non-runner as they both continue to see a reason to exist separately. There is no way either party members will vote for that scenario. Just as some see a simplistic landscape of SF in low numbers others imagine a merge of FF & FG.

road_high · 10-02-2020 10:58AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

SFs new voters might crucify them if they go into govt with FF and rightly so.

Those voters hate FF.

Can't Mary Lou cobble together something without FF or FG? Both partys are the devil incarnate so surely the rainbow mix would be preferable. She being such a political mastermind of the left, should be no bother to her.
Wave of change meets Green wave- the public mood is for change not more FG or FF monorities propping things up.

Fr_Dougal · 10-02-2020 10:58AM

McMurphy wrote: »

I didn't question it as there wasn't a need to question it (again) you know well that they are not claiming to be able to build houses at 65k a pop, so you might have well said they were going to provide houses for the price of a can of coke and a bag of monster munch tbh.

Your figure is the fantasy one.

Unless, maybe you're prepared to show folks where they're claiming any such thing?

Sometimes it's better to stop digging mark, you're now in that hole.

Let’s park Marko’s figure for a second. You will not build a housing unit for €65k, not a hope. Double that and you’re getting close. So let’s say a unit costs €100k, that’s a total of €10bn, SF now has a deficit of €3.5 bn.

Now take away the €14bn Apple money that SF have included in their figures, let’s say we get to keep €3bn of that(which is an overestimate).

€3.5bn + €11bn = a deficit of €14.5bn in their figures already.

We’ll have the IMF back in jij time.

Now don’t get me wrong, I think a lot of their ideas are great, but they have no way of funding them. I can see why a lot of people voted for them.

thequarefellow · 10-02-2020 10:59AM

is_that_so wrote: »

No, just people exercising their right to vote as they choose without others judging them, no less than any other voter.

bless

is_that_so · 10-02-2020 11:00AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder will any of the current members of the Dail resign completely from politics over the head of this?

Why do you imagine anyone would do that?

trellheim · 10-02-2020 11:00AM

Rowing aside

FG /SF been ruled out

FG + Others highly unlikely , too much messing to get 80 seats and country paralysed again for 5 years

FF + Others = same

SF + Others = same with FF And FG able to collapse it at any point

Therefore FF + SF + Green . The question is how long it would last. Now without going back to the RA you dont have far to look to find SF collapsing an assembly and refusing to return, in the first instance over RHI and in the second over an Irish language act.

If thats their collapse threshold , when in with FF they are going to swallow worse. Politics is the art of the possible. Not convinced.

ILoveYourVibes · 10-02-2020 11:00AM

road_high wrote: »

Can't Mary Lou cobble together something without FF or FG? Both partie are the devil incarnate so surely the rainbow mix would be preferable. She being such a political mastermind of the left, should be no bother to her.

I don't think they would have the numbers ..I am not certain tho. I do think they need one of the other 2 main parties for the threshold.

LeinsterDub · 10-02-2020 11:01AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

They have been given a mandate.

They need to do something with it.

Surely by this logic we'd if had a FF FG government decades ago?

meeeeh · 10-02-2020 11:01AM

road_high wrote: »

Can't Mary Lou cobble together something without FF or FG? Both partie are the devil incarnate so surely the rainbow mix would be preferable. She being such a political mastermind of the left, should be no bother to her.

Not a chance. Although she could offer Healy Raes housing and transport. They have experience.

is_that_so · 10-02-2020 11:02AM

thequarefellow wrote: »

bless

Ah, there's always one who can't resist showing their real age!

Jinglejangle69 · 10-02-2020 11:02AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Surely by this logic we'd if had a FF FG government decades ago?

Look Mary Lou has even said the people want SF in government.

They know they need to do it now

ILoveYourVibes · 10-02-2020 11:02AM

Originally Posted by is_that_so View Post
No, just people exercising their right to vote as they choose without others judging them, no less than any other voter.

No one has to tell anyone who the voted for it's why its private. But if you do share it publicly its naturally going to be debated.

We all get judged for who we vote for.

Fann Linn · 10-02-2020 11:02AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It is a non-runner as they both continue to see a reason to exist separately. There is no way either party members will vote for that scenario. Just as some see a simplistic landscape of SF in low numbers others imagine a merge of FF & FG.

So the above won't coalesce as they see ultimate destruction and yet the same ones are clamouring for SF to do just that.

A cursory glance at Howlin will see him and his party bumping along the floor at 4%.

That awaits SF if they get it wrong this time around.

LeinsterDub · 10-02-2020 11:03AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It is a non-runner as they both continue to see a reason to exist separately. There is no way either party members will vote for that scenario. Just as some see a simplistic landscape of SF in low numbers others imagine a merge of FF & FG.

Yeah keeping their seats and that reason is declining rapidly. They are basically the same party when it comes to policy

Boggles · 10-02-2020 11:03AM

road_high wrote: »

Not bitter just wanting SF to accept the mandate they've been given. But all I'm hearing is "the next time etc etc etc". Quelle surprise there. Get in and govern and drop the endless excuess and what-ifs.

What?

The onus is on SF to form a government with 2 parties who have categorically ruled out forming a government with them?

Are you actually reading what you are typing or have you lemon juice in your eyes?

road_high · 10-02-2020 11:04AM

Fann Linn wrote: »

So the above won't coalesce as they see ultimate destruction and yet the same ones are clamouring for SF to do just that.

A cursory glance at Howlin will see him and his party bumping along the floor at 4%.

That awaits SF if they get it wrong this time around.

So with SF party preservation is the main goal not running the country? Wow

is_that_so · 10-02-2020 11:04AM

Fann Linn wrote: »

So the above won't coalesce as they see ultimate destruction and yet the same ones are clamouring for SF to do just that.

A cursory glance at Howlin will see him and his party bumping along the floor at 4%.

That awaits SF if they get it wrong this time around.

Parties have members, as you well know. They get to decide these things not the TDs or leader. There's a whole lot of clamouring going on, on all sorts of stuff.

thequarefellow · 10-02-2020 11:04AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Let’s park Marko’s figure for a second. You will not build a housing unit for €65k, not a hope. Double that and you’re getting close. So let’s say a unit costs €100k, that’s a total of €10bn, SF now has a deficit of €3.5 bn.

Now take away the €14bn Apple money that SF have included in their figures, let’s say we get to keep €3bn of that(which is an overestimate).

€3.5bn + €11bn = a deficit of €14.5bn in their figures already.

We’ll have the IMF back in jij time.

Now don’t get me wrong, I think a lot of their ideas are great, but they have no way of funding them. I can see why a lot of people voted for them.

SF voters are not as ill-informed as some would like to think. They have seen election promises come and go. This is a vote against FF and FG.

LeinsterDub · 10-02-2020 11:04AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Look Mary Lou has even said the people want SF in government.

They know they need to do it now

The people also want to see FF or FG in government. Hence the 3 way tie

ILoveYourVibes · 10-02-2020 11:04AM

Boggles wrote: »

What?

The onus is on SF to form a government with 2 parties who have categorically ruled out forming a government with them?

Are you actually reading what you are typing or have you lemon juice in your eyes?

FF have just said they would talk to SF today.

Come on we all know FF were always going to be the party to do this.

johnmcdnl · 10-02-2020 11:04AM

xl500 wrote: »

I know people say they will break the country well we have 200 billion Debt directly associated with FF so its hard to beat that also country was broke IMF had to Bail us out

The 200 Billion is causing us major problems and should be re-negotiated imagine what we could do with the 3 Billion Interest alone we are paying every year

Have FG literally never had the idea to try to negotiate a better interest rate on the 200bn of debt we have? How foolish of them.

Or perhaps that's why FG have been doing as much as they can over the past decade to try to get us running a surplus and to generally stabilise everything to improve our credit rating so that we actually can borrow at sensible rates again?

And also, it's not hard to beat that - you just go on a foolish borrowing and spending spree based on poor economic policies, and suddenly your debt is 300bn and your credit rating is dropping and investment starts to dry up.

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