GE Exit Poll 10 pm

lmimmfn wrote: »

So your own story is BS, right so, agreed.

It isn't but i think we should just drop the whole thing because it is two people arguing on the internet who can't actually prove anything to each other.


If i met you in real life and you proved me wrong i'd genuinely be very apologetic for doubting you.

Another question re the transfers - someone answered previously for the first and second votes (thanks) but...
The second votes are shared based on the percentage - grand
So someone with the second votes gets over the line and elected, where do the next votes come from? Is it the 3rd preference from the first elected? Do the votes from the second elected come into play if they are over the quota?
I have googled this and there is nothing really online really explaining it.

markodaly wrote: »

So SF are not interested at all in helping those people that voted for them, instead their supporters want them to stay off the field, yet again to 'play the long game'.
So, why vote for SF to enact 'change'?

I don't want them to enable either FF or FG again. Simple as that.

I voted for change and I want change even if it means waiting another while.

There will be folk waiting for them to fail, like yourself, so whatever they do, go in or refuse, is going to be wrong. I couldn't care less about the taunts of people who have lost tbh.

lmimmfn wrote: »

I have plenty of proof but I'm obviously not posting it here, if you actually think people are "pretending" to have disabled kids then I don't know what to say.

As i said, we should probably just drop the entire thing at this stage.


I posted my experience, then you posted yours and neither of us can verify it one way or the other so it's a bit pointless and drags a bunch of bystanders in because it is an emotive issue.

McMurphy wrote: »

Did Michelle Mulhern get shown the door again does anyone know?

Not yet...RTE just covered it there...3 way fight with Mulherin and running mate looking to be favourites...not clear which one yet though.

McMurphy wrote: »

Did Michelle Mulhern get shown the door again does anyone know?

Still in battle for a seat with alan dillon and lisa chambers

Bill 2.0 wrote: »

As i said, we should probably just drop the entire thing at this stage.


I posted my experience, then you posted yours and neither of us can verify it one way or the other so it's a bit pointless and drags a bunch of bystanders in because it is an emotive issue.

Sorry but you're in the wrong here because I accepted your stance on your dad becoming disabled and I shared my experience and how lucky you were which you in turn conveyed as a lie.
If it wasn't real I wouldn't give a crap but you come across as a wanker with a believe me but I won't believe anyone else attitude, especially on such a sensitive subject.

Anyway I'm done with that particular conversation but I'm not done with how FG handled it.

Ya can't beat a bit of late night proportional representation porn.

McMurphy wrote: »

Did Michelle Mulhern get shown the door again does anyone know?

Just got the door now

road_high wrote: »

So even though other people have "lost", they haven't really and should go into power just to allow you "win" more the next time..... Oh, and you want "change" as well, but just not yet and only at a time that suits and is convenient to SF.
Shinner logic is about as sensible as that amazing manifesto of change...that they don't to implement...yet.

More or less. There is no onus on SF to go in with any of them.

They have been saying all along that a government without FF or FG is their preferred option.
They have every right now to pick and choose. If they get a programme for government they feel delivers core policy then, no problem. If not, 'feck off lads' and work it out yourselves.

That is my thinking on it, not SF's by the way.

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I'd imagine happenings outside of politics didn't go down too well in Mayo

Care to expand? Not in relation to the FG councilor..

Bill 2.0 wrote: »

My own father recently became disabled after 40-odd years in the workforce and he and all of my family are taken aback by how well supported we've been both financially and from a point of view of access to services/assistance.

My son has autism and an intellectual disability. His school that I spent 3 years fighting to get him a place in is grossly underfunded, he spends 2.5 hours a day on school transport as the state stuff as many kids on possible onto the routes instead of running others, we have no access to occupational therapist, speech therapists and psychologists. Oh wait we just got a phone call last week from the psychologist after waiting a year.

Stop talking ****.

Calhoun wrote: »

There is a constitutional right guaranteeing an inclusive education, from the department of education/school system. So that is up for them to work that out, and if they cannot support well then legal action should be taken.

As for the other students, that is not a problem for parents paying taxes but the schools themselves.

My point would be its all very well guaranteeing a constitutional right to something because it should be the case its quite another thing to implement it on the ground if its not funded/resourced properly

The other parents pay taxes too and there are a lot more of them.......the resources are stretched too thin imo

Calhoun wrote: »

My general attitude of school teachers is they don't like having to deal with special education

Thats your opinion and you are entitled to it I suppose...I was trained but in a classroom setting with up to 30 other students it was nigh on impossible to do anything particularly meaningful (sure you could differentiate h/w, give words of encouragement try to get one on one time work with SNA to try and implement strategies where possible, try various types of methodologies but with the range of abilities in the room and increasing numbers of kids with very challenging sometimes aggressive behaviour etc + multiply that by up to 9 classes a day it quickly becomes unsustainable imo

Calhoun wrote: »

We don't even train them in the colleges how to deal with special needs children

Fair enough, in my day that was certainly the case...are you sure it still is however?

Calhoun wrote: »

and more often than not only take courses when forced to do so if they should have to come in contact with a child that needs it.

Thats not true in my experience tbh....its a big part of inservice/cpd etc and there were 6 or 7 specially trained SEN teachers in my place alone before I left

Calhoun wrote: »

What do you think we should do with these children so they don't give you a headache? Just start smothering them? or should we actually invest in the services they require?

I think you are projecting here...re read my post, you are the one to bring up that suggestion, do you think Im another poster or something? If you re read my post its quite clear I'm suggesting that an inclusive education for all is not deliverable because of under resourcing...

I do have genuine doubts about the feasibility of delivering inclusive education for all in a mainstream setting however especially as it seems every member of society has a a right to something now with absolutely no responsibilities.....I would be of the opinion that the mainstream classroom as it stands today is an increasingly difficult place to deliver an inclusive education for all.....I'm certainly not suggesting smothering anyone and I think its a bit bizarre you would make it seem I was suggesting anything like that I suppose I just think that one on one help and lots of it is needed for some students to try overcome certain difficulties and the mainstream classroom teacher just won't ever be effective at that.....

Calhoun wrote: »

Its funny you crib about SF and all that being terrorists and your attitude to some of our most vulnerable would suggest your quite the monster yourself.

O.K. you are definitely confusing me with someone else. Ive not cribbed about Sinn Fein on this thread or any other to the best of my knowledge. I don't think many of their policies are particularly deliverable or economically sound and I would worry about what sort of damage they could do long term if they got into power properly but thats the first time Ive said that on here to my knowledge