Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [ POSSIBLE SPOILERS ]

Burty330 · 02-02-2020 11:15PM

Its stupid how you have to wait a week between episodes. You buy a streaming service you should have multiple episodes available. Especially for a show like this where scenes go on way longer than they should. Viewership is going to drop off as its not really that engaging , is it?

If Mick Chabomb knew what he was doing he would have dropped the Battle Angle Dodge story-line and focused the story on how the end of the world was imminent as Arbus spread across the universe like a virus.

That sounds a lot better to me than BallykissAlien.

03-02-2020 07:16AM

Watched episode 2 again looking for what people are seeing in it but it’s not doing it for me just yet. Not a patch on Discovery for me, though plenty of time to recover.

H3llR4iser · 03-02-2020 12:40PM

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Episode 2: Not a perfect episode.... but.... pretty pretty.... pretty good
The show really got a nice budget... it looks great...could have been released as a movie

That's my take as well...looks more like a long "episodic movie" than a series.

Which could be fine in its own, we had "miniseries" before, which really are only a "looooong movie broken into bits".

Then again, I guess it could be said about every damn series today, with this fixation about having one continuous overarching storyline. The difference is that Picard, probably due to the budget, also looks like a full fledged Hollywood production.

mrcheez wrote: »

Anyone else find Orla Brady's acting a little distracting for a Romulan character?

I know they normally have American/British accents but something a bit jarring about the "fiery oirish temper" on a Romulan.

Also the goddamn soft T's. Makes me cringe every time.

Well, it's an odd one - I do enjoy seeing the two Romulans having a very "Irish" style banter, including the Wife-Husband exchange trope, ending with "take this one with ye, I don't care if he dies!". It does however go a bit over the top at times, especially when some cultural elements are imbued in the "pre-Hobus" events - e.g. Laris getting plastered as a Tal Shiar operative.

Then again, we've had a main character who's a Frenchman with a posh Brit accent for 30+ years :P

pixelburp · 03-02-2020 12:48PM

I've liked the Romulan couple, they add a little domesticity and warmth usually absent in the non human species within Trek. Easy to fixate on the macro level of species' key aspects - particularly the espionage of the Romulan empire - it's nice to see the ground level, normal kind of people they must surely otherwise be.

TheValeyard · 04-02-2020 12:43AM

pixelburp wrote: »

I've liked the Romulan couple, they add a little domesticity and warmth usually absent in the non human species within Trek. Easy to fixate on the macro level of species' key aspects - particularly the espionage of the Romulan empire - it's nice to see the ground level, normal kind of people they must surely otherwise be.

Suppose now that the grip of the empire is gone from most Romulans, they can be free to express themselves and become more individualistic in nature.

silverharp · 04-02-2020 10:40AM

Are they making them too human though? A lot of interactions in Trek were special because it would be a Vulcan take or a 7 of 9 take etc. on a situation. If the Romulan woman just Mrs Doyle’s it through the series she will be forgettable? Wait does that make Pickard Fr. Jack?

04-02-2020 10:59AM

silverharp wrote: »

Are they making them too human though? A lot of interactions in Trek were special because it would be a Vulcan take or a 7 of 9 take etc. on a situation. If the Romulan woman just Mrs Doyle’s it through the series she will be forgettable? Wait does that make Pickard Fr. Jack?

Except that Aliens in Trek were always one dimensional versions of a human trait.

Vulcan's: Cold Logic
Andorians: Passionate
Klingons: Anger
Ferengi: Greed
Cardassions: Militaristic
Romulans: Deceit/Cunning

pixelburp · 04-02-2020 11:14AM

silverharp wrote: »

Are they making them too human though? A lot of interactions in Trek were special because it would be a Vulcan take or a 7 of 9 take etc. on a situation. If the Romulan woman just Mrs Doyle’s it through the series she will be forgettable? Wait does that make Pickard Fr. Jack?

Yeah, that might have made context in regards a starship, but among an explicitly domestic, rural setting, it was nice to see normal people (insofar as an ex-operative can be normal) behaving relatively normally. Reminded me of that excellent, early DS9 story when Kira had to visit an old man living alone who refused to relocate. It had an earthiness and authenticity that was rare enough.

If I had a grumble about Trek as a whole, is that it was often guilty of a certain intellectual coldness in its storytelling: caught up in the concept or idea behind the story without having much of a pulse beneath it. Aliens often more like walking ciphers to the Big Idea, then walking, feeling, sensual beings. Even human characters were guilty of this - it was only when it was pointed out elsewhere how inert and sexless Star Trek has often been.

EltonJohn69 · 04-02-2020 11:18AM

Maybe all that earl grey has caused Picard’s brain rot ? Could be a good twist/reveal to end season one ?

Rawr · 04-02-2020 12:01PM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Well, it's an odd one - I do enjoy seeing the two Romulans having a very "Irish" style banter, including the Wife-Husband exchange trope, ending with "take this one with ye, I don't care if he dies!". It does however go a bit over the top at times, especially when some cultural elements are imbued in the "pre-Hobus" events - e.g. Laris getting plastered as a Tal Shiar operative.

Then again, we've had a main character who's a Frenchman with a posh Brit accent for 30+ years :P

I do kind of enjoy this idea of "Irish" Romulans. It makes for wonderfully a absurd mix of fantastical Sci-fi ideas with a familiar dialect. I keep imagining how far you could take it, for example:

"There was then that time a Klingon eejit beamed onto my warbird and he was like: "Today is a good day to die!" and I told him "Would you ever feck off you Klingon eejit!" So he then started shooting and beamed away, but in the process he managed to banjax the singularity in our warp drive. So I was worried until Sub-Commander Johno called in and said "Don't worry, it'll be grand!" ...and it was grand in the end.

marcbrophy · 04-02-2020 12:05PM

Sounds like the writers found the Roddy Doyle's Star Trek Facebook page

silverharp · 04-02-2020 01:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Except that Aliens in Trek were always one dimensional versions of a human trait.

Vulcan's: Cold Logic
Andorians: Passionate
Klingons: Anger
Ferengi: Greed
Cardassions: Militaristic
Romulans: Deceit/Cunning

pixelburp wrote: »

Yeah, that might have made context in regards a starship, but among an explicitly domestic, rural setting, it was nice to see normal people (insofar as an ex-operative can be normal) behaving relatively normally. Reminded me of that excellent, early DS9 story when Kira had to visit an old man living alone who refused to relocate. It had an earthiness and authenticity that was rare enough.

If I had a grumble about Trek as a whole, is that it was often guilty of a certain intellectual coldness in its storytelling: caught up in the concept or idea behind the story without having much of a pulse beneath it. Aliens often more like walking ciphers to the Big Idea, then walking, feeling, sensual beings. Even human characters were guilty of this - it was only when it was pointed out elsewhere how inert and sexless Star Trek has often been.

On an individual level the characters were more layered. Tuvoc, Whorf etc were all layered complex characters.

Star Trek has its niche , it was a ideas show generally involving some new civilisation that you get a glimpse of, explore some idea and move on to the next, though I liked DS9 approach too with a smaller cast of civilisations. If there isn’t a market for that, kill the show and create new sifi unconnected to Trek. Trying to use the Star Trek name to get the “wine moms” or “Twilight fans” on board will go down the road of trying to please everyone and end up pleasing no one. I guess it would come down to the people involved, if they were genuinely huge fans of the show they would nudge it in new directions, if deep down they never liked Trek then Trek will end up just being generic sifi which may or may not be good based on its own merit.

Minime2.5 · 04-02-2020 02:49PM

Is it in my own imagination or does picard seem more frail in this then stewert looks in real life ?

04-02-2020 03:35PM

Minime2.5 wrote: »

Is it in my own imagination or does picard seem more frail in this then stewert looks in real life ?

I think that this is intentional and meant to show a bit of sedentary based frailty.
He'll probably start to look stronger and more in command as it goes on

ilovesmybrick · 04-02-2020 04:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that this is intentional and meant to show a bit of sedentary based frailty.
He'll probably start to look stronger and more in command as it goes on

There was also an interview where he said that he wanted Picard to look his age, so I think they said that they eschewed some of the usual screen makeup to cover over the ageing process.

Skerries · 06-02-2020 11:20PM

that Irish accent was woeful

07-02-2020 01:00AM

Skerries wrote: »

that Irish accent was woeful

Woeful as it doesn't fit well on a Romulan or do you think it's a bad attempt?

Spear · 07-02-2020 01:20AM

368100 wrote: »

Woeful as it doesn't fit well on a Romulan or do you think it's a bad attempt?

I suspect he means the hologram, not Laris.

EltonJohn69 · 07-02-2020 01:20AM

I’m not liking frail Picard... I’m hoping at some point he loads up on some space steroids or maybe some Romulan speed

marcbrophy · 07-02-2020 01:37AM

Skerries wrote: »

that Irish accent was woeful

368100 wrote: »

Woeful as it doesn't fit well on a Romulan or do you think it's a bad attempt?

Spear wrote: »

I suspect he means the hologram, not Laris.

I'm watching that scene right now!

It's Shay Cormac from AC Rogue shades of woeful

Spear · 07-02-2020 01:41AM

marcbrophy wrote: »

I'm watching that scene right now!

It's Shay Cormac from AC Rogue shades of woeful

I thought it was meant to be Cornish or Devon at first.

Xertz · 07-02-2020 01:57AM

That Irish accent has basically destroyed the whole series for me. Feels more like a leprechaunish mockery than a character. All he was short of saying was something about “me lucky charms”.

I’m wondering how much of this is going to be just nostalgia for Picard it actually being watchable. It’s feels so dragged out so far.

07-02-2020 08:08AM

I think the hologram had a different accent the first time (when the shrapnel was in his shoulder), an English one, so maybe we’ll see a thing where it has a different accent each time it appears or something?

ilovesmybrick · 07-02-2020 08:09AM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I think the hologram had a different accent the first time (when the shrapnel was in his shoulder), an English one, so maybe we’ll see a thing where it has a different accent each time it appears or something?

He was a different hologram. The first was an EMH, the second an ENH (navigational hologram), so I'm guessing he's crewed the ship with either multiple holograms, or there's one that's reskinned for different tasks.

07-02-2020 08:14AM

Hopefully it’s the last time we see the ENH then.

07-02-2020 08:19AM

Xertz wrote: »

That Irish accent has basically destroyed the whole series for me. Feels more like a leprechaunish mockery than a character. All he was short of saying was something about “me lucky charms”.

I’m wondering how much of this is going to be just nostalgia for Picard it actually being watchable. It’s feels so dragged out so far.

Yet the romulan siblings accents is ok?

07-02-2020 08:23AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yet the romulan siblings accents is ok?

Of course it is, it’s a natural accent as she’s an Irish actress.

Optimus Prime · 07-02-2020 08:25AM

I figured they where married are they brother and sister ? The two with Picard.

07-02-2020 08:27AM

Optimus Prime wrote: »

I figured they where married are they brother and sister ? The two with Picard.

I’d assume married after she called him a stubborn northerner like the soldier they had tied up.

Optimus Prime · 07-02-2020 08:34AM

I liked that comment actually , because in my mind she was pointing out that the northern romulans , including the 2009 film ones look different because they are from a different region.

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