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Abortion Discussion, Part the Fourth

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    #1922
    Loafing Oaf
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    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Surely in order to reverse it they would need to hold yet another referendum? The 8th has been repealed. FF could try and amend the legislation to bring in restrictions or even outlaw abortion via legislation.
    Given the percentage Repeal won by this would, imho, be a very unwise move politically.

    This is just mudslinging. I doubt whoever is behind this campaign genuinely believes FF plans to 'repeal repeal'. I was just wondering if FF wanted to allay lingering concerns among pro-choice voters, it might come out and say it intended to abolish the three-day waiting period or whatever.


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    #1923
    Cabaal
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    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    I was just wondering if FF wanted to allay lingering concerns among pro-choice voters, it might come out and say it intended to abolish the three-day waiting period or whatever.

    Won't happen in a million years, FF as a party really at its TD core is anti women and wanted the 8th to remain.


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    #1924
    lazygal
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    Cabaal wrote: »
    Won't happen in a million years, FF as a party really at its TD core is anti women and wanted the 8th to remain.

    If anything it will lock in the three day wait and possibly increase it, as well as suggest in future it would reduce access to abortion by allowing institutional conscientious objection.


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    #1925
    Bannasidhe
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    lazygal wrote: »
    If anything it will lock in the three day wait and possibly increase it, as well as suggest in future it would reduce access to abortion by allowing institutional conscientious objection.

    Which in the current political climate would only be possible if they managed to secure a majority govt that is less favourable to Pro-Choice- unlikely even if they had a coalition as I can't see them - or the likes of Aontú - getting enough seats to push it through.


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    #1926
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Aontu will have 1 seat max and even that one is in doubt.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #1927
    robindch
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    #45 acquires a "spiritual advisor" named Paula White.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-50352939/paula-white-cain-faith-advisers-in-the-white-house

    Here's Ms White showing off her pro-life dibs, especially the bit at 1:20 where she enjoins baby Jesus to make "all satanic pregnancies to miscarry right now”:

    https://twitter.com/GuthrieGF/status/1221208783411650560


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    #1928
    Pherekydes
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    Anyone else thinking of Carrie right now? 🤣


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    #1929
    Bannasidhe
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    robindch wrote: »
    #45 acquires a "spiritual advisor" named Paula White.



    Here's Ms White showing off her pro-life dibs, especially the bit at 1:20 where she enjoins baby Jesus to make "all satanic pregnancies to miscarry right now”:

    https://twitter.com/GuthrieGF/status/1221208783411650560

    I often ponder over my morning coffee who is really the more batshyte crazy mentally challenged - those who spout it or those who believe it.
    I suppose those who spout and believe have the edge but I do tend to view those who professionally spout as latter day Elmer Gantrys.


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    #1930
    aloyisious
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    Don was at an anti-abortion rally two days ago in the US, I assumed it was to rally religious people around him in his hour of need as he's known to have alternative views on abortion to them. What are satanic pregnancies that the losing of the baby [as the anti-abortion see the foetus] is seen as a worthy aim?


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    #1931
    Bannasidhe
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    aloyisious wrote: »
    What are satanic pregnancies that the losing of the baby [as the anti-abortion see the foetus] is seen as a worthy aim?

    Potential Godammed Liberulz?


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    #1932
    aloyisious
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    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Potential Godammed Liberulz?

    I was mooting same-sex couples and [through nature's mishaps] childless couples using AI or surrogates to go outside the remits of the good book.


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    #1933
    Cabaal
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    I think we all remember this train wreck of an interview with a pro lifer called Sarah Louise Mulligan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tja3CkGqoYg


    Well, she's back and running in the election!

    EOkkkmkX0AYXDeC.jpg:large

    She's always been a fan of Treump and or leaflet shows that hasn't changed with her tag line,

    She stands for
    - ignoring climate change
    - wants a more conservative catholic media in Ireland.
    - Is against sex education
    - wants priority given to the catholic church
    - anti EU


    Whats very odd is she's very much pro catholic values, but I'm not sure she understands what they are because they certainly aren't what she does in her spare time as a burlesque dancer
    Feeling very comfortable & liberated in her own skin, she is no stranger to nipple tassels, fishnet tights and frilly knickers under the stage name, 'Molly Munroe', she transforms herself into a seductive tease . . .

    http://www.sarahlouisemulligan.com/burlesque.html

    She's also played a lap dancer as an extra on Love/Hate.

    Catholic values my arse.....


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    #1934
    Bredabe
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    Cabaal wrote: »
    I think we all remember this train wreck of an interview with a pro lifer called Sarah Louise Mulligan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tja3CkGqoYg


    Well, she's back and running in the election!

    EOkkkmkX0AYXDeC.jpg:large

    She's always been a fan of Treump and or leaflet shows that hasn't changed with her tag line,

    She stands for
    - ignoring climate change
    - wants a more conservative catholic media in Ireland.
    - Is against sex education
    - wants priority given to the catholic church
    - anti EU


    Whats very odd is she's very much pro catholic values, but I'm not sure she understands what they are because they certainly aren't what she does in her spare time as a burlesque dancer


    http://www.sarahlouisemulligan.com/burlesque.html

    She's also played a lap dancer as an extra on Love/Hate.

    Catholic values my arse.....

    SOOOOOOO many things she is against that are anti christian, she seems to be very anti immigrant, even those from hyper catholic countries?

    In the catholicism I grew up in, at the very least the PP would have been asked to have a word about the length of that dress and could well have been on a list for that most joyful bastion of then catholicism, the maggies!

    "Have you ever wagged your tail so hard you fell over"?-Brod Higgins.



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    #1935
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    Bredabe wrote: »
    SOOOOOOO many things she is against that are anti christian, she seems to be very anti immigrant, even those from hyper catholic countries?

    In the catholicism I grew up in, at the very least the PP would have been asked to have a word about the length of that dress and could well have been on a list for that most joyful bastion of then catholicism, the maggies!

    A fecking bandwagon case looking to make a few quid off idiots, much like John McGuirk, Justin Barrett, Gemma O'Doherty etc.


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    #1936
    aloyisious
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    BTW, Justin Barrett is involved in the election as the National Party is running candidates.


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    #1937
    B0jangles
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    aloyisious wrote: »
    BTW, Justin Barrett is involved in the election as the National Party is running candidates.


    Just saw their party political broadcast and... let's just say they are not looking to appeal to anyone who is not already a firm supporter of their views


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    #1938
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    aloyisious wrote: »
    BTW, Justin Barrett is involved in the election as the National Party is running candidates.

    Yep few of their shills in the election threads, along with a few regular posters and suddenly active zombie accounts, whose posts are lets say are just a level over pond scum most of the time.


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    #1939
    Igotadose
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    B0jangles wrote: »
    Just saw their party political broadcast and... let's just say they are not looking to appeal to anyone who is not already a firm supporter of their views

    That eejit David Quinn wrote an editorial in Sunday's Times, where he basically said, "Hey, you parties need to court the anti-abortion vote because...well, because I think they're important."

    Is he a journalist? Lists a sunday times e-mail address, but isn't he just another I Own Her shill?


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    #1940
    ohnonotgmail
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    Igotadose wrote: »
    That eejit David Quinn wrote an editorial in Sunday's Times, where he basically said, "Hey, you parties need to court the anti-abortion vote because...well, because I think they're important."

    Is he a journalist? Lists a sunday times e-mail address, but isn't he just another I Own Her shill?

    not just another I Own Her shill, the head I Own Her shill


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    #1941
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    Igotadose wrote: »
    That eejit David Quinn wrote an editorial in Sunday's Times, where he basically said, "Hey, you parties need to court the anti-abortion vote because...well, because I think they're important."

    Is he a journalist? Lists a sunday times e-mail address, but isn't he just another I Own Her shill?

    He's a regular contributor of theirs if memory serves me correctly

    He used to be editor of the Irish Catholic and used to be the religious and social affairs correspondent for the independent before getting into Iona.


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    #1942
    Igotadose
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    DubInMeath wrote: »
    He's a regular contributor of theirs if memory serves me correctly

    He used to be editor of the Irish Catholic and used to be the religious and social affairs correspondent for the independent before getting into Iona.

    No indication of his employment in his byline. Typical disingenuity from the Amen chorus


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    #1943
    Bredabe
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    Pro life adds in the local papers this week, the cute pink baby graphic and the usual guff.
    I cant attach a link, but if its in two of the papers I've been shown so far, I would expect its in lots.


    * They've not gone away as hoped. Us evangelical money must be good to keep hammering on and on about it.

    "Have you ever wagged your tail so hard you fell over"?-Brod Higgins.



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    #1944
    Loafing Oaf
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    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/protests-exclusion-zones-abortion-ireland-4956281-Jan2020/

    With overwhelming public support for such 'exclusion zones' I'd say whatever government gets in after the election would be minded to bring in these laws fairly promptly
    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Not an issue a new FF government would be keen to see near the top of its in-tray, you would think. But maybe they will see it as an opportunity to demonstrate their newfound pro-choice credentials. Wouldn't be surprised if Stephen Donnelly made a commitment ahead of the election...

    FG hopeful Deirdre Duffy has spotted a stick for beating FF in their failure to offer such a commitment:
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/varadkar-accused-of-nasty-politics-but-he-brands-ff-very-disrespectful-38924433.html
    Last night Fine Gael candidate Deirdre Duffy waded into the debate. She said her party will prioritise legislating for 'safe access zones' so women can access healthcare and abortion services without impediment.

    Ms Duffy expressed extreme concern at the prospect of a Fianna Fáil government as its manifesto doesn't mention 'safe access zones'. The Dublin Central candidate said: "When it comes to women's healthcare and access to abortion services, Fianna Fáil is the party of no."

    FF had clearly been hoping to avoid any mention of the whole (divisive for them) issue but FG seems to think there's a bit of political hay to be made from it...


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    #1945
    A_Lost_Man
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    abortion is necessary because someday the world is going to die due to over population. In past religious leaders ban abortion because of less population and due to non availability of psy. But know there is psy everwhere.


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    #1946
    ohnonotgmail
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    A_Lost_Man wrote: »
    abortion is necessary because someday the world is going to die due to over population. In past religious leaders ban abortion because of less population and due to non availability of psy. But know there is psy everwhere.

    What?


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    #1947
    smacl
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    A_Lost_Man wrote: »
    abortion is necessary because someday the world is going to die due to over population. In past religious leaders ban abortion because of less population and due to non availability of psy. But know there is psy everwhere.

    Not sure what you're referring to by 'psy' there. Over population is addressed by family planning, where abortion forms the smallest part of this in cases of contraception failure.


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    #1948
    Igotadose
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    smacl wrote: »
    Not sure what you're referring to by 'psy' there. Over population is addressed by family planning, where abortion forms the smallest part of this in cases of contraception failure.

    Seems it's 'troll day' here and in other fora. Just a few posts, this one's probably an anti-abortion nim trying to get his nim-buds to pile on.


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    #1949
    Bannasidhe
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    Igotadose wrote: »
    Seems it's 'troll day' here and in other fora. Just a few posts, this one's probably an anti-abortion nim trying to get his nim-buds to pile on.


    MOD
    A little refresher of the Forum Charter may be in order here.

    Posters are not allowed to refer to each other, directly or indirectly, as "liars", "trolls", "bigots", "bullies", "soap-boxers" or any other terms which impute antisocial motives to other posters. In the normal run of discussion, posters should avoid disputed terms without agreeing on what precisely the terms might mean, and should definitions be agreed, these terms should be used sparingly and only to bring the discussion forward. An example of such a disputed term is "murder" in the context of abortion.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110069814&postcount=6

    In short if you suspect a poster dwells under a bridge please use the report function and your friendly mods will keep an eye on things.

    Thanking you.


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    #1950
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    A_Lost_Man wrote: »
    abortion is necessary because someday the world is going to die due to over population. In past religious leaders ban abortion because of less population and due to non availability of psy. But know there is psy everwhere.

    A Korean singer is related to population control, how is this? Is it due to people losing all will to live after listening to their output?


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    #1951
    A_Lost_Man
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    smacl wrote: »
    Not sure what you're referring to by 'psy' there. Over population is addressed by family planning, where abortion forms the smallest part of this in cases of contraception failure.
    Actually i was referring to "pussy". My point was in past due to non availibility of females for marriages (fvking ceremonies) church needed to increase their strength and they ban abortion and there was a problem with church it thought the human population is very less and to increase their followers they ban abortion for their personal beneift but know it is not a issue.


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