Pope Gives Palace to the Homeless

joeguevara wrote: »

Is the point of this thread that the Pope was wrong to help homeless because of the actions of the past?

If it is just a church bashing thread, I’m out. And as I said I’m not religious and don’t like man made church. But I like good things. No matter how small.

Second time you used the phrase... man made religion, or man made church... I'd imagine all religion is man made, so why state it that way>?

Gerardo Square Cinnamon wrote: »

Clever PR for the head of an institution which can count itself as the actual root cause for most societal problems; must notably staggering and uncontrolled unsustainable population increases

China and India, have the largest populations in the world, and both reached those points before Christianity ever gained a foothold there. And it could be argued that the deaths from AIDS in Africa likely outweigh the overall population increases due to lack of condoms or other birth control options.

So... that's a pretty odd accusation to level at the RC.

, fear and rejection of education due to physical and sexual abuse of the children in its care

I attended a Marist brothers school. Wasn't abused and received top notch education... especially considering the economic situation of where and when I grew up. Zero accusations attributed to either Christian schools in my hometown.. go figure.

and active suppression of enlightened and progressive thought in the Western world.

Pretty wide range of time to cover with that comment. Any particular period? After all, the RC changed it's policies towards science many times, and often, it was dependent on the local priests rather than Rome itself.

Still... perhaps take a gander at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_clergy_scientists

As for enlightenment... that also brought about massive leaps in military technology and the bettering of ways to kill people.

You seem to want to take complicated topics, dumb them down to their most simplistic elements, and then say RC bad... Bad bad bad.

But hey, they lent 50 homeless people 16 rooms in one of their many disused palaces.

That's rather naive. They've been providing services to help the homeless for centuries. Bloody hell. Work a little harder in your desire to tear them down.

The gas thing is that I'm not religious. I can't stand religion. However, I'm not going to tear them down with simplistic rubbish like this. Have they done bad? Sure. Have they done good? Sure. :rolleyes:

joeguevara wrote: »

To answer the above post without quoting all. I’m not a fan of the church which is man made. Religion is mostly man made but the basic facets of be good I.e 10 commandments aren’t. But is irrelevant to this thread as I don’t think it’s a bad thing giving shelter to homeless

What religion is not "man made"?

Even at the most basic level, the only object/subject that could possibly exist before human involvement/creation is God. Religion being a structure to understand the world through a particular perception and the worship of God... which would suggest that all religions are man made. Not mostly. Completely. Even if God instructed them to create a religion, no God I've read about ever provided an instruction booklet for the creation of the rules, belief structures, common practices etc... So the intention to create a religion might come from God, but the religion itself would still be... man made.

(And yes, I think clarifying "made made religion" is probably more interesting than the OPs post)