Pope Gives Palace to the Homeless

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 06-02-2020 12:40AM #1

In religious news, the pope has his name associated with one good deed now:

Clever PR for the head of an institution which can count itself as the actual root cause for most societal problems; must notably staggering and uncontrolled unsustainable population increases, fear and rejection of education due to physical and sexual abuse of the children in its care and active suppression of enlightened and progressive thought in the Western world. But hey, they lent 50 homeless people 16 rooms in one of their many disused palaces.

jam_mac_jam · 06-02-2020 12:43AM

Is it Pr or is it a mice generous thing to do? Does everything have to have an ulterior motive

I'm sure everyone in the catholic church are not evil child abusers.

marieholmfan · 06-02-2020 12:43AM

What have you done?

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 06-02-2020 01:06AM

marieholmfan wrote: »

What have you done?

It looks like, straight off the line, you're making your only play in the face of criticism; an ad hominem attack on someone merely pointed out that the gesture by the church is mealy-mouthed, in the scheme of things.

My conscience is clear. What about you and (presumably) your church?

06-02-2020 01:08AM

pope is head of a rotten institution

as popes go, seem worse

this is a forced negative take on a nice thing

marieholmfan · 06-02-2020 01:11AM

Gerardo Square Cinnamon wrote: »

It looks like, straight off the line, you're making your only play in the face of criticism; an ad hominem attack on someone merely pointed out that the gesture by the church is mealy-mouthed, in the scheme of things.

My conscience is clear. What about you and (presumably) your church?

Well what have you done . Something or nothing ?

Plumbthedepths · 06-02-2020 01:14AM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Is it Pr or is it a mice generous thing to do? Does everything have to have an ulterior motive

I'm sure everyone in the catholic church are not evil child abusers.

For evil to triumph, good men need to do nothing......

uck51js9zml2yt · 06-02-2020 01:17AM

Gerardo Square Cinnamon wrote: »

In religious news, the pope has his name associated with one good deed now:

Clever PR for the head of an institution which can count itself as the actual root cause for most societal problems; must notably staggering and uncontrolled unsustainable population increases, fear and rejection of education due to physical and sexual abuse of the children in its care and active suppression of enlightened and progressive thought in the Western world. But hey, they lent 50 homeless people 16 rooms in one of their many disused palaces.

And you can tell us how many homeless you've housed today I suppose.

the_syco · 06-02-2020 01:28AM

Now that the single mothers are gone (the RCC used to throw them into The Magdalene Laundries), the pope will allow homeless people to live in it, whilst they learn about the RCC.

joeguevara · 06-02-2020 01:35AM

I am anti man made religion. Don’t go to mass and think it’s flawed.

But sometimes I think people just want to argue about anything. I see and hear so many talk about the homeless crisis and give out about the church not opening their doors. When they do, it’s a PR exercise.

Firstly what is a PR exercise. What do you think this PR achieve. convert millions or bring non believers back? Let’s say it was a PR exercise that the end result is making people thinking less fortunate. Is that a bad thing.

And the homeless who are warm for the night. Not freezing to death. Getting fed. Do you think they care about you thinking that it’s a PR exercise. Sanctimony won’t keep them warm and safe for the night. Being inside will.

Church on Tuesday · 06-02-2020 01:37AM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Is it Pr or is it a mice generous thing to do? Does everything have to have an ulterior motive

I'm sure everyone in the catholic church are not evil child abusers.

Giving the OP's username is a play, a cynical one at that, on the Tiny Dancer cause/charity a good while back, I would assume that he believes nearly everything to have an ulterior motive.

Is it still popular to hate on the CC these days BTW? Seems very 00s early to mid 10s to me.

And no, I'm not religious.

beejee · 06-02-2020 01:42AM

Do the homeless shyt in the woods?

Can you hear it?

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 06-02-2020 01:42AM

I had a post written to respond to all the attacks on my character, but I'm actually not the one on trial... although it appears that neither is the church by boards.ie's sanctimonious standards. Suffice to say I don't hoard my wealth and demand that people follow my doctrine. Also have no idea what you're on about with the username.

Church on Tuesday · 06-02-2020 01:45AM

Gerardo Square Cinnamon wrote: »

I had a post written to respond to all the attacks on my character, but I'm actually not the one on trial... although it appears that neither is the church by boards.ie's sanctimonious standards. Suffice to say I don't hoard my wealth and demand that people follow my doctrine. Also have no idea what you're on about with the username.

Sure.

Just another Edgelord.

beejee · 06-02-2020 01:45AM

Gerardo Square Cinnamon wrote: »

I had a post written to respond to all the attacks on my character, but I'm actually not the one on trial... although it appears that neither is the church by boards.ie's sanctimonious standards. Suffice to say I don't hoard my wealth and demand that people follow my doctrine. Also have no idea what you're on about with the username.

Ah contrary mon petitarnaqueur, you are on trial.

And the sentence is...excommunication

joeguevara · 06-02-2020 01:46AM

Also, Pope Francis has always shunned any majesty, royal surrounding or usual pomp and comfort that previousnpopes enjoyed, he shunned the papal palace immediately after being elected and lives in a modest apartment. He lives his life in austerity which no other pope has.

He constantly organises events where thousands of poor and homeless are fed. No other pope did that on a regular basis. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-poor/guess-whos-coming-to-lunch-pope-hosts-meal-for-1500-needy-people-idUSKBN1XR0GJ

Maybe it is a PR exercise. As in help people in need. As in stop trying to find issues because of what others have done. Today is a better place because someone who was sleeping outside is now safe inside.

Sometimes PR to help your fellow man or woman, no matter what your position isn’t a bad thing.

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 06-02-2020 01:47AM

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Sure.

Just another Edgelord.

Congrats on another salient, relevant, well-made point.

beejee wrote: »

Ah contrary mon petitarnaqueur, you are on trial.

And the sentence is...excommunication

Eh..?

joeguevara wrote: »

the homeless who are warm for the night. Not freezing to death. Getting fed. Do you think they care about you thinking that it’s a PR exercise. Sanctimony won’t keep them warm and safe for the night. Being inside will.

OK, but didn't it remind you just a small bit of the scene in Schindler's List where he's ripping off jewellery. This gesture is little more than spitting in the ocean.

joeguevara · 06-02-2020 01:53AM

Gerardo Square Cinnamon wrote: »

Congrats on another salient, relevant, well-made point.

Eh..?

OK, but didn't it remind you just a small bit of the scene in Schindler's List where he's ripping off jewellery. This gesture is little more than spitting in the ocean.

So no act of kindness is worthwhile unless it will change the world. Do you believe that ripple effect doesn’t exist. That is like saying there is no point recycling as what I do won’t effect climate change.

The acts of the past were abhorrent. I’m not arguing that they can be forgotten or forgiven. But that doesn’t mean that helping less fortunate is spitting in the ocean.
I just like when someone is having a better day today than they were yesterday. I’ll take that.

4068ac1elhodqr · 06-02-2020 01:54AM

All we know is that he's an improvement on the previous lot, the other German one looked real shifty.

Francie refuses the empty lust for Prada slippers and 10k Rolex watches that many others took.
Ideally he'll allow the priest chaps to marry womenfolk, think he's considering it, who knows.

Church on Tuesday · 06-02-2020 01:56AM

Gerardo Square Cinnamon wrote: »

Congrats on another salient, relevant, well-made point.

Eh..?

OK, but didn't it remind you just a small bit of the scene in Schindler's List where he's ripping off jewellery. This gesture is little more than spitting in the ocean.

Thank you.

Realt Dearg Sec · 06-02-2020 01:57AM

I think you missed the point of that scene in Schindler's List.

Charles Babbage · 06-02-2020 02:01AM

Gerardo Square Cinnamon wrote: »

In religious news, the pope has his name associated with one good deed now:

Clever PR for the head of an institution which can count itself as the actual root cause for most societal problems; must notably staggering and uncontrolled unsustainable population increases, fear and rejection of education due to physical and sexual abuse of the children in its care and active suppression of enlightened and progressive thought in the Western world. But hey, they lent 50 homeless people 16 rooms in one of their many disused palaces.

Exaggerate much?

Rodin · 06-02-2020 02:02AM

The pope should read the parable of the rich man giving loads to the poor box and the poor woman giving all she had (two coins I believe...)

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 06-02-2020 02:05AM

joeguevara wrote: »

I don’t understand your Schindler list reference. Was Pope Francis in it. Interestingly, what are your thoughts on the Germans. Do you give out about any positive act they carry out for the less fortunate.after all their past is an awful lot worse than the church in recent times. Should they just close up shop? Just for clarity I obviously don’t think so.

Your edited version is less coherent so I replied to the other stuff below... I'm not here to decide whether Germany or The Vatican has perpetuated worse atrocities. I only drew the comparison because I look at the wealth which could try and mitigate some of the current devastation.

joeguevara wrote: »

So no act of kindness is worthwhile unless it will change the world. Do you believe that ripple effect doesn’t exist. That is like saying there is no point recycling as what I do won’t effect climate change.

The acts of the past were abhorrent. I’m not arguing that they can be forgotten or forgiven. But that doesn’t mean that helping less fortunate is spitting in the ocean.
I just like when someone is having a better day today than they were yesterday. I’ll take that.

I'm not talking about you or me. I'm talking about the €30bn untaxed monies that are in the possession of the Catholic Church. This article was exceptional - I haven't seen many like it. As somebody said above, maybe PR isn't the intention and this gesture will snowball. But right now it's scarcely a hailstone.

(I didn't want to invoke wrath by using the word snowflake there, as I know many people get completely irrational when they see it).

Also to respond to whoever said it's not currently fashionable to dislike or question the church above, that any people at all in the world are actually walking around the place with that mindset is immensely troubling and needs to be addressed with some sort of public safety initiative. Like some sort of post-cult trauma reprogramming.

One eyed Jack · 06-02-2020 02:06AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

For evil to triumph, good men need to do nothing......

How does that apply to clerical abuse where it was the clergy who were perceived by society to be good men doing the Lords work?

The phrase is far too simplistic and can easily be applied either way depending upon the circumstances. The earliest attribution of the phrase goes back to a preacher who was calling for a prohibition on alcohol -

The maxim appeared in a quotation from a speech by the Reverend Charles F. Aked who was calling for restrictions on the use of alcohol:

It has been said that for evil men to accomplish their purpose it is only necessary that good men should do nothing.

Gerardo Square Cinnamon wrote: »

It looks like, straight off the line, you're making your only play in the face of criticism; an ad hominem attack on someone merely pointed out that the gesture by the church is mealy-mouthed, in the scheme of things.

Ahh come on now, by that standard, surely your own criticism is nothing more than an ad hom attack on Pope Frank, never mind all the rest of the stuff about the wider Church. I mean, if you’re talking about the grand scheme of things, the number of abusers among the Church is no greater than among society in general. Don’t take my word for it though, it’s one of the findings of a Garda Inspectorate report from 2017 -

It is widely recognised that clerical abuse, while particularly troubling, represents only a small fraction of the overall problem. Minister Ahern acknowledged this by developing comprehensive terms of reference for this inspection that include, but are not limited to, the handling of cases related to the clergy. During the course of its work, the Inspectorate conducted a thorough review of published reports relating to clerical sexual abuse, but also considered the full spectrum of child sexual abuses perpetrated by a wide variety of offenders.

Gerardo Square Cinnamon wrote: »

My conscience is clear. What about you and (presumably) your church?

Complains about ad hom attack, launches one of your own in the face of criticism of your opinions.

Anyway, for what it’s worth, Frank is playing a blinder as far as PR goes, and sure, this is more of it, and yeah, it’s a small gesture, but it’s better than doing nothing as Plumbthedepths would point out. Does that mean Frank is off the hook as he’s now perceived to be a good man?

What does your own conscience say I suppose? Bearing in mind that people are innocent until found guilty of any wrongdoing in a Court of Law.

Raconteuse · 06-02-2020 02:06AM

joeguevara wrote: »

I am anti man made religion. Don’t go to mass and think it’s flawed.

But sometimes I think people just want to argue about anything. I see and hear so many talk about the homeless crisis and give out about the church not opening their doors. When they do, it’s a PR exercise.

Firstly what is a PR exercise. What do you think this PR achieve. convert millions or bring non believers back? Let’s say it was a PR exercise that the end result is making people thinking less fortunate. Is that a bad thing.

And the homeless who are warm for the night. Not freezing to death. Getting fed. Do you think they care about you thinking that it’s a PR exercise. Sanctimony won’t keep them warm and safe for the night. Being inside will.

Agreed. Dislike cynicism for the sake of it.

beauf · 06-02-2020 02:06AM

Gerardo Square Cinnamon wrote: »

In religious news, the pope has his name associated with one good deed now:

Clever PR for the head of an institution ....

I didn't know about it till you posted it.

Since you posted it in after hours and with a click bait title you can hardly complain about PR stunts. It's hardly the first charitable act of religion either is it. Kinda of their bread and butter. So clever PR not really.

I think people hoped for more radical change from this Pope than this kinda stuff. But it hasn't happened.

joeguevara · 06-02-2020 02:15AM

Gerardo Square Cinnamon wrote: »

Your edited version is less coherent so I replied to the other stuff below... I'm not here to decide whether Germany or The Vatican has perpetuated worse atrocities. I only drew the comparison because I look at the wealth which could try and mitigate some of the current devastation.

I'm not talking about you or me. I'm talking about the €30bn untaxed monies that are in the possession of the Catholic Church. This article was exceptional - I haven't seen many like it. As somebody said above, maybe PR isn't the intention and this gesture will snowball. But right now it's scarcely a hailstone.

(I didn't want to invoke wrath by using the word snowflake there, as I know many people get completely irrational when they see it).

Also to respond to whoever said it's not currently fashionable to dislike or question the church above, that any people at all in the world are actually walking around the place with that mindset is immensely troubling and needs to be addressed with some sort of public safety initiative. Like some sort of post-cult trauma reprogramming.

I’m 41 so don’t know why snow flake was used in response to me.

Calling my post incoherent is strange when out of the blue you referenced jewellery and Schindler list without context. My point was, should you disregard good things from a group or country just because of what happened previously.

You mention the wealth of the Church. Grand, if you want to debate that. That’s a different debate. We’d probably agree on most things there. But to call helping poor people a PR stunt is the point the point of this thread. I just think, PR of helping people might be a good thing. It’s not going to change people’s attitude to the church. But might start churches opening doors to homeless. Might start people being nicer to those less fortunate. Why not give it a chance instead of just giving out.

Plumbthedepths · 06-02-2020 02:21AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

How does that apply to clerical abuse where it was the clergy who were perceived by society to be good men doing the Lords work?

The phrase is far too simplistic and can easily be applied either way depending upon the circumstances. The earliest attribution of the phrase goes back to a preacher who was calling for a prohibition on alcohol -

The maxim appeared in a quotation from a speech by the Reverend Charles F. Aked who was calling for restrictions on the use of alcohol:

It has been said that for evil men to accomplish their purpose it is only necessary that good men should do nothing.

My reply was in response to a poster who said not all in the church were abusers. True they weren't but they were enablers. Even Frank was defending a South American senior cleric who was guilty of abuse until it was no longer tenable to do so.

My favourite quote was from Ghandi " I like your Christ but not your Christianity".
Now I have no interest in responding further with you so save your energy in writing walls of text. It will be ignored.

One eyed Jack · 06-02-2020 02:26AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

My reply was in response to a poster who said not all in the church were abusers. True they weren't but they were enablers. Even Frank was defending a South American senior cleric who was guilty of abuse until it was no longer tenable to do so.

My favourite quote was from Ghandi " I like your Christ but not your Christianity".
Now I have no interest in responding further with you so save your energy in writing walls of text. It will be ignored.

Not even close, and save the stupid sayings for someone who gives a ****e, they’re meaningless trite nonsense that’s meant to be profound but isn’t saying a whole lot really, or since you love the oul quotes so much, they’re full of sound and fury, signifying nothing :pac:

FWIW btw, Gandhi when he wasn’t campaigning for Indian independence was known to be a fairly odd bastard in his own right, wonder how you square that one -

Women suffer from Gandhi's legacy

joeguevara · 06-02-2020 02:32AM

Is the point of this thread that the Pope was wrong to help homeless because of the actions of the past?

If it is just a church bashing thread, I’m out. And as I said I’m not religious and don’t like man made church. But I like good things. No matter how small.

Pope Gives Palace to the Homeless

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