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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭ardinn


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    We know some of that info is wrong now. She was showing symptoms and was taking medication for it

    Obviously, she gave it to another chinese person!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭bb12


    ardinn wrote: »
    According to Dr John - the pneumonia symptons turned up quite late - day 10 etc.

    Speaking of the man - Video 10



    Edit:

    He is now predicting a pandemic - doesnt look happy. He was my only source of optimism - he is no longer optimistic!

    Holy crap...it's possible the virus can survive on a surface up to 28 days or maybe even longer?! how on earth can you fight against something like that....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    ardinn wrote: »
    America no - totonto has a HUGE asian population so probably not - germany I have listed as unknown but probable that it is in fact all asian patients. no clue about austria!


    Don't feel guilty about asking a question like this. It's important and should be easily answered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭ardinn


    Don't feel guilty about asking a question like this. It's important and should be easily answered.

    I dont!

    Now a little research on the austrian case

    Officials are now trying to establish her whereabouts in the hours after she left the hospital and who she may have come into contact with.

    The woman, an Austrian national, had traveled to New Zealand via Taiwan and developed respiratory problems on the flight home.

    My theory blown out of water (unless she is of asian descent!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    The german infections happened in a small village called Stockdorf outside Munich,I just checked and Munich only has 8400 Chinese people and no other major asian ethnic immigrant group,so I seriously doubt all of them were Asian. But even if it can infect non asian people it doesnt mean asians arent more susceptible. There is generally pretty big differences in the susceptibility of races and ethnicities to certain diseases but very rarely does a disease solely affect one race of people


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    wakka12 wrote: »
    The german infections happened in a small village called Stockdorf, I seriously doubt all of them were Asian. But even if it can infect non asian people it doesnt mean asians arent more susceptible. There is generally pretty big differences in the susceptibility of races and ethnicities to certain diseases but very rarely does a disease solely affect one race of people

    At least two were, I was reading here. The original carrier (who was on the flight back to China before feeling ill), and a Chinese worker in Germany. The others appear to be German locals. Including one who made it to his holiday in Tenerife before being isolated there (this is Spain's only case).

    https://www.thelocal.de/20200205/coronavirus-in-bavaria-how-did-the-virus-spread

    In the scheme of things, if the thing originates in Bats or Snakes, then becomes virulent in asians, the concept that caucasians are somehow significantly less susceptible would seem very naive indeed.
    Of course if it were the case than legitimate questions about demographics can and should be asked freely without fear of being labelled as racist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,801 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I wonder how many of us are part Asian. The DNA tests can show some of us in Ireland as up to 4% Asian ancestry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,181 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Seen rumours that theres 7 cases in North Korea, if it gets out of control there they are absolutely screwed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    saabsaab wrote: »
    I wonder how many of us are part Asian. The DNA tests can show some of us in Ireland as up to 4% Asian ancestry.

    Are you sure its part Asian and not part of A Sean

    Sorry..terrible joke :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭Dante7


    Completely hypothetical, but if a virus was engineered to be mainly Chinese race specific, decimating the elderly, the Chinese leadership would be the main suspects. Get rid of the bed blockers and reduce the expenditure of maintaining non-workers, and helping to address the population control measures since the one child laws have been repealed. All done without pissing off the west, who only caught a cold.

    Plot twist - President Xi and others who approved the plan are inadvertently exposed to the virus.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    If the number of infections continued to double every week, then everyone on earth would be infected by six months time. It's doubling every 4 or 5 days right now.

    Mad huh? I like to think this won't actually happen; just illustrating how quickly it is spreading.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    Dante7 wrote: »
    Completely hypothetical, but if a virus was engineered to be mainly Chinese race specific, decimating the elderly, the Chinese leadership would be the main suspects. Get rid of the bed blockers and reduce the expenditure of maintaining non-workers, and helping to address the population control measures since the one child laws have been repealed. All done without pissing off the west, who only caught a cold.

    Plot twist - President Xi and others who approved the plan are inadvertently exposed to the virus.


    To add to the conpiracy theory it mostly kills men :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    While I try not to worry based on anything but what seems to be fact; the idea that this was bioengineered is absolutely terrifying.

    Makes nuclear weapons look like toys. In a month if the suspected "real" numbers are as per the journal referred to by John Campbell's videos above... then three times as many people have likely caught this as were killed in Hiroshima.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 247 ✭✭car_radio19834


    And they'll get it too. Mad how billions just appears for things like fires and this.

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1225081513307447301


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,961 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    And they'll get it too. Mad how billions just appears for things like fires and this.

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1225081513307447301

    Amazing how money is found to potentially save the human race?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,301 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Just read that apparently all 10 german patients are in good condition with mild symptoms only and haven't received or needed any anti viral meds or oxygen support etc. According to the doctors their symptoms are comparable to a cold. Its been almost 2 weeks since the first cases there so we should expect them to be fully recovered soon, or go downhill perhaps.
    Strange. I wonder are they prioritising female patients? (Gender gap in China)
    From what I've read on the early research into the outbreak it seems that the virus tends to cause worse symptoms in people with a higher number of a particular receptor(s) in the lungs, whose name escapes at the moment I'm afraid. In general men have more of these receptors and east Asian folks as a population have more such receptors. This might explain the so far lower incidence of complications and deaths from it in non east Asian populations.

    Of course set against that is a thankfully tiny number of non Asians that have been exposed to or contracted the disease, so the numbers are too small to posit any conclusions. Plus different populations can react to infections in different ways. Very isolated populations for example can be felled by what those who have lived in urban environments for centuries would either not catch or see as a bit of a sniffle, or populations that have been exposed to similar pathogens for longer. EG African populations would have more resistance to something like malaria compared to northern Europeans, whereas there would be more people in a population of northern Europeans that would have some resistance to plague.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,181 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    sdanseo wrote: »
    While I try not to worry based on anything but what seems to be fact; the idea that this was bioengineered is absolutely terrifying.

    Makes nuclear weapons look like toys. In a month if the suspected "real" numbers are as per the journal referred to by John Campbell's videos above... then three times as many people have likely caught this as were killed in Hiroshima.

    If anything thought this proves how useless such weapons would be due to how uncontrolled they are especially in the modern connected world


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭Dante7


    Amazing how money is found to potentially save the human race?

    The WHO aren't covering themselves in glory during this. They have been influenced by money men who told them to play it down. They are a massive NGO and $90m of that money will go to lining their coffers and paying handsome salaries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Dante7 wrote: »
    The WHO aren't covering themselves in glory during this. They have been influenced by money men who told them to play it down. They are a massive NGO and $90m of that money will go to lining their coffers and paying handsome salaries.

    Tax free salaries too, as they're under the UN. Diplomatic status.
    Edit: I take that back doubly. They aren't extortionate salaries, are subject to a deduction that seems to be in lieu of tax, and paid in USD so less generous again. In line with our civil service.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,737 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    bb12 wrote: »
    Holy crap...it's possible the virus can survive on a surface up to 28 days or maybe even longer?! how on earth can you fight against something like that....

    On an individual level, wash your hands frequently, always before eating. Dont touch your face. Wipe down surfaces in your home daily including door handles and light switches. Its easy

    If you do this, it greatly reduces your chances of becoming sick, with any virus.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Those 'suspected' cases almost always turn out to be nothing, every cold and flu is being called corona. I saw a thing on reddit today the UK has had 700 negative tests or something , I think India has had about 1,000 negative tests


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,364 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    A lot of suspected cases popping up now (not just Ireland) but especially in the US
    This is the 2 week date isn't it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    bb12 wrote: »
    Holy crap...it's possible the virus can survive on a surface up to 28 days or maybe even longer?! how on earth can you fight against something like that....

    With huge trucks carrying disinfectant canons. That's obviously why those trucks were out spraying the streets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Two cases in Hong Kong in critical condition
    Three family members who didnt recently visit mainland China have also been infected
    https://www.thestandard.com.hk/section-news/section/11/216044/Family-of-three-with-no-travel-history-infected

    I would imagine Hong Kong is one place that is bound to become full scale epidemic very soon, no containing something in a population that dense


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    I hoping not Galway next the timing couldn't be as worse as a General Election and the Opening Party for the European City of Culture kicking off on Saturday, lots of folks in town. Has there been any reports in Scotland yet?

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    There are currently 27,602 confirmed cases worldwide, including 564 fatalities.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Now over 1,000 recovered in China

    Would be interesting to see the outcome of the first batch of200 or 300 patients have got on since their admission at the start of the epidemic. Might give a clearer picture. Average time spent in hospital with the disease, until death or recovery, is 21 days I think, so should have a large sample now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,797 ✭✭✭sweetie


    Spoke to a doctor from the Mater tonight who said they had a patient in isolation. Just mentioned in passing as I was buying an item from her.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,961 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    sweetie wrote: »
    Spoke to a doctor from the Mater tonight who said they had a patient in isolation. Just mentioned in passing as I was buying an item from her.

    Your doctor was selling you stuff?


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