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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #3032
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    675 new cases outside Hubei. Nearly 4,000 in total today across China


  • #3033
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,366 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    creditcarder wrote: »
    What are there nationalities I wonder?

    Unknown

    America starting to cancel all flights to Hong Kong now


  • #3034
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Unknown

    America starting to cancel all flights to Hong Kong now

    Yes, there is no demand for these flights.


  • #3035
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,466 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    There is a flight between New York and Hong Kong with a 6 hour stop over in Wuhan for $191 if anyone is interested.

    Sounds like a bargain.


  • #3036
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,366 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    There is a flight between New York and Hong Kong with a 6 hour stop over in Wuhan for $191 dollars if anyone is interested.

    Sounds like a bargain.

    Tour of Racoon Virus Lab City included in the price


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  • #3037
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    ardinn wrote: »
    Maybe watch the video?

    I'm too suspicious of a person :P


  • #3038
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Total number of remaining suspected cases almost unchanged today, despite over 3900 new suspected cases being added. Meaning practically every test for suspected case in Wuhan came out positive

    https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/ez08ps/suspected_cases_is_virtually_unchanged_46_even/


  • #3039
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,922 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    creditcarder wrote: »
    I'm too suspicious of a person :P

    i heard the virus had mutated


  • #3040
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    Seems like Hong Kong are testing their own borders.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/eyqt1h/hong_kongers_have_to_form_their_own_team_checking/

    Man, the more I see about Hong Kong, the more I don't want it to be 'culturally revolutionised'


  • #3041
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,922 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Total number of remaining suspected cases almost unchanged today, despite over 3900 new suspected cases being added. Meaning practically every test for suspected case in Wuhan came out positive

    https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/ez08ps/suspected_cases_is_virtually_unchanged_46_even/

    the tweet that links to has been deleted,


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  • #3042
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Any updates on that unconfirmed Dublin case at St James hospital, don't like both these online links to the Mirror or Dublin Live as the pages take forever to load and you can't scroll it.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #3043
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    creditcarder wrote: »
    I'm too suspicious of a person :P

    He's just a doctor explaining the nCoV in simple enough terms. He uses evidence based information and doesn't delve into any of the nonsense going around.

    If you watch all his videos on this subject, its actually very interesting. He explains a bit about SARS and MERS too so you have a basis to compare this coronavirus with. Seriously interesting stuff. His main concern, as far as I can see, is that if an epidemic takes hold in the UK there just won't be enough equipment (oxygen) to treat everyone.


  • #3044
    bb12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭bb12


    Deleted User wrote: »
    He's just a doctor explaining the nCoV in simple enough terms. He uses evidence based information and doesn't delve into any of the nonsense going around.

    If you watch all his videos on this subject, its actually very interesting. He explains a bit about SARS and MERS too so you have a basis to compare this coronavirus with. Seriously interesting stuff. His main concern, as far as I can see, is that if an epidemic takes hold in the UK there just won't be enough equipment (oxygen) to treat everyone.

    yes the interesting thing i learned from him is that it's better to have a fever if fighting a virus as the high temperature kills it off sooner...so sounds like it's a mistake to take paracetamol to bring down your temperature if suffering from the flu...(except for children)


  • #3045
    Simi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,034 ✭✭✭Simi


    BBC News - Wuhan resident: ‘We’d rather die at home than go to quarantine’
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51379088

    Just an individual's perspective, but it shows how difficult it is for those affected to get any sort of help.


  • #3046
    little bess
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭little bess


    “It’s worth noting that the number of deaths in China rose by 65 from 425 on Tuesday to 490 today. That’s an increase of 15.3% compared with a percentage increase of 18% the day before. So perhaps there are signs that the rate of fatalities is slowing. The number was closer to 30% on some days last week.

    Updated at 12.50am GMT”

    From the guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/05/coronavirus-live-updates-in-china-wuhan-outbreak-death-toll-latest-news-update-evacuation-coronaviruses


  • #3047
    ardinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭ardinn


    With the quarantine measures now taking effect about a week after coming in (incubation period) cases are bound to slow down. Hopefully now there are not thousands of people dead in their homes.
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  • #3048
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,366 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    ardinn wrote: »
    With the quarantine measures now taking effect about a week after coming in (incubation period) cases are bound to slow down. Hopefully now there are not thousands of people dead in their homes.

    Alas there probably is thousands dead confined to their homes or barricaded in


  • #3049
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-05/who-coronavirus-update-china-travel/11930752
    The World Health Organisation has advised against trade and travel restrictions against China amid the coronavirus outbreak

    Talk about absolutely useless, lets all go to China for a holiday right about now


  • #3050
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/04/researchers-say-the-coronavirus-may-be-more-contagious-than-current-data-shows.html
    Researchers say the coronavirus may be more contagious than current data shows
    Researchers from Lancaster University in England estimated the virus’s R naught may be closer to 3.1, saying “current clinical and epidemiological data are insufficient to understand the full extent of the transmission potential of the epidemic” and the outbreak comes “at a time when there is a substantial increase in travel volume” due to the Lunar New Year holiday.


  • #3051
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://twitter.com/BrianKolfage/status/1224912301481955334
    China has detained our corespondent Michael Yon who is a world renowned war correspondent. He traveled to Hong Kong to report on the #coronavirus and was detained. The coverup is well underway and they don’t want the media there. Wake up people. No more Hong Kong issues.


    https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/02/05/20/philippines-confirms-3rd-new-coronavirus-case?fbclid=IwAR0FjHWuvgit2_nFQqBUPtycJLVIxFQQ6BoWBjUYYlM3HlwfyEe1TuK3lEo
    A third patient has tested positive for the 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in the Philippines, the Department of Health (DOH) said Wednesday.

    In a press conference, Health Undersecretary Eric Domingo said the patient is a 60-year old Chinese woman from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the virus, who arrived in Cebu via Hong Kong in January. The patient then traveled to Bohol.

    She went in for a consult at a Bohol hospital on Jan. 22 after experiencing fever.

    On Sunday, the DOH bared that the second new coronavirus case had been confirmed- a 44-year-old Chinese man who died of the acute respiratory disease in Manila on Saturday.

    It was the first reported death from the virus outside China.

    The man was the companion of the 38-year-old Chinese woman who was identified earlier as the Philippines' first confirmed new coronavirus case. She no longer has symptoms of the virus, which manifest as cough and fever, health officials earlier said.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7966081/Wuhan-medic-says-coronavirus-deaths-infections-reported.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline
    Wuhan medic says 'there are many more coronavirus deaths and infections than reported' because those who die while waiting to be tested are not considered victims of the virus

    I`ll just say that if China are lying about the numbers and it hits the world far worse than is expected then its game over for international trade for China.


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  • #3052
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Deleted User wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/BrianKolfage/status/1224912301481955334



    https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/02/05/20/philippines-confirms-3rd-new-coronavirus-case?fbclid=IwAR0FjHWuvgit2_nFQqBUPtycJLVIxFQQ6BoWBjUYYlM3HlwfyEe1TuK3lEo


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7966081/Wuhan-medic-says-coronavirus-deaths-infections-reported.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline


    I`ll just say that if China are lying about the numbers and it hits the world far worse than is expected then its game over for international trade for China.


    Apart from being governed by a Marxist-Leninist party (leave aside that they love Audi and Gucci for the moment) whose natural instinct is to paper over problems, there's also the deeply ingrained Chinese cultural mindset of obfuscation and partial-truths when it comes to admitting failings.

    The CCP holds the mandate of heaven (天命 - Tian ming). To them, they are not answerable or accountable to the people, journalists, foreigners and above all not foreign journalists. Might is right, they govern because they govern, and they will maintain that mandate until they are seen to not be powerful. Which is why incidents like this are so damaging - to admit that they are not mighty undermines their mandate of heaven. Lies will be stacked on top of lies as the truth is so unconscionable to the apparatus.


  • #3053
    joseywhales
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,424 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    The problem now is that they are too big to fail, if this lasts for 6+months, expect massive recession, all the integrated manufacturing pipelines through china will fail, raw commodities will tank since their biggest customer is frozen, I don't even know the secondary impacts, will they start desperately pulling their numerous and massive international investments?

    Absolute calamity if it doesn't come under control


  • #3054
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    joseywhales wrote: »
    The problem now is that they are too big to fail, if this lasts for 6+months, expect massive recession, all the integrated manufacturing pipelines through china will fail, raw commodities will tank since their biggest customer is frozen, I don't even know the secondary impacts, will they start desperately pulling their numerous and massive international investments?

    Absolute calamity if it doesn't come under control


    This quarter is a write off already - it's probably the first quarter of recession since reform and opening up began. Even the year after Tiananmen Square massacre (where foreign businesses got out of the country en-masse) the economy didn't slip into recession.

    A lot of unsustainable zombie companies propped up by patronage networks will possibly hit the wall. The trade war had the government burning through China's much vaunted dollar and other foreign currency reserves; this will probably burn through them further. A day of reckoning for the ridiculously overvalued property sector is probably not too far off also.


  • #3055
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/BrianKolfage/status/1224912301481955334

    https://twitter.com/Michael_Yon/status/1224904449409179651

    Politics or Coronavirus?


  • #3056
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/BrianKolfage/status/1224912301481955334



    https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/02/05/20/philippines-confirms-3rd-new-coronavirus-case?fbclid=IwAR0FjHWuvgit2_nFQqBUPtycJLVIxFQQ6BoWBjUYYlM3HlwfyEe1TuK3lEo


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7966081/Wuhan-medic-says-coronavirus-deaths-infections-reported.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline


    I`ll just say that if China are lying about the numbers and it hits the world far worse than is expected then its game over for international trade for China.

    I sincerely doubt that. Too much money to be made!


  • #3057
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    little bess wrote: »
    “It’s worth noting that the number of deaths in China rose by 65 from 425 on Tuesday to 490 today. That’s an increase of 15.3% compared with a percentage increase of 18% the day before. So perhaps there are signs that the rate of fatalities is slowing. The number was closer to 30% on some days last week.

    Updated at 12.50am GMT”

    From the guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/05/coronavirus-live-updates-in-china-wuhan-outbreak-death-toll-latest-news-update-evacuation-coronaviruses

    I'm surprised the Guardian posted that. A fall from 18% to 15% from day to day says very little and I'm not sure comparisons can be made to a week ago when death numbers were still in double figures. Also dead bodies are not being tested due to a shortage of test kits. What would worry me is that Zhejiang is now implementing similar shut down measures that Hubei did two weeks ago. I would watch for shut down measures in China to track the spread rather than death or infected numbers which say more about the availability of test kits than it does about the spread of corona virus. I would take encouragement from the relatively slow increase of confirmed cases in Singapore, Hong Kong and Thailand, so far. All have less than 30 cases about two weeks out from their travel bans on Hubei. The spread in those countries will tell us a lot because they are being tracked from day one.


  • #3058
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Is anyone picking up a few extra bits in their shopping, just in case? Its hard know what to think. Negative, no one really knows whats going on and numbers in China. Positive, outside of China spread seems slow and very few deaths.


  • #3059
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pc7 wrote: »
    Is anyone picking up a few extra bits in their shopping, just in case? Its hard know what to think. Negative, no one really knows whats going on and numbers in China. Positive, outside of China spread seems slow and very few deaths.

    No harm to be have a full fridge and keep it stocked up over the next few weeks just to be prudent. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Anyone should be able to manage a couple of weeks quarantine with a full fridge and cupboard, even if they rationed a bit right? I.e no need to panic and stock a room floor to ceiling with beans and shotgun shells

    PS I've stocked up on food and disinfectant wipes, hand sanitizer


  • #3060
    car_radio19834
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 247 ✭✭car_radio19834


    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1224932170982215680


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  • #3061
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,384 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No harm to be have a full fridge and keep it stocked up over the next few weeks just to be prudent. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Anyone should be able to manage a couple of weeks quarantine with a full fridge and cupboard, even if they rationed a bit right? I.e no need to panic and stock a room floor to ceiling with beans and shotgun shells

    PS I've stocked up on food and disinfectant wipes, hand sanitizer

    Good stuff.
    What about water in case the power grid goes down, or am I taking things too far!:D


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