Could Sinn Fein actually run a country ?

Gringo180 · 04-02-2020 02:46PM

2011 wrote: »

I would love to get a state pension at 65 but the money simply isn’t there.

The money is there. Its just been squandered.

04-02-2020 02:46PM

Necro wrote: »

Nineteen candidates in my own constituency for four seats is akin to lunacy imo.

Half of them won't even hit the requirement for their deposit back.

To get back on topic though, SF not running a second there is a misstep imo, I don't necessarily agree with it but there is potential for a second SF seat in this area given the outright uselessness of most of the other candidates

I’m in the same constituency as you. I’m not sure why they didn’t run two as the Sligo-Leitrim constituency also includes South Donegal which along with Leitrim is a border county.

Field east · 04-02-2020 02:47PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

No, of course not, but that won't prevent them from demanding to be in a coalition with other parties.

Just wait till McDonald gets going tonight and you'll hear all the usual garbage as to why Sinn Fein has a justifiable right to be in government....

My eyes & ears will be bleeding.

I just hope that Martin & Varadkar jump on her tonight and put her down once and for all.

SF have so much unsavoury baggage that needs to be brought to the fore, specially for the younger generation who obviously need to be reminded.

The saying ‘ A lepoard does not change its spots’ comes to mind

is_that_so · 04-02-2020 02:48PM

Necro wrote: »

Nineteen candidates in my own constituency for four seats is akin to lunacy imo.

Half of them won't even hit the requirement for their deposit back.

To get back on topic though, SF not running a second there is a misstep imo, I don't necessarily agree with it but there is potential for a second SF seat in this area given the outright uselessness of most of the other candidates

Local election results dictated their approach, logically enough. We're also not there yet in terms of seats. As someone pointed out in the election stats thread the last poll had 17% undecided.

Necro · 04-02-2020 02:49PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote:

Iâ€™m in the same constituency as you. Iâ€™m not sure why they didnâ€™t run two as the Sligo-Leitrim constituency also includes South Donegal which along with Leitrim is a border county.

It's easy to forget that sorry

But yeah, the SF vote in Leitrim and the border counties is enough surely to go hard at that last seat, I think depending on the make up of the next Dail they may regret it

Harkin (fcuk knows why), Mc Sharry and Kenny are likely locks for seats but that fourth could go anywhere

TuringBot47 · 04-02-2020 02:50PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Ok. Let's build nothing.

I never implied that.
I just have no faith in politicians estimates.
Especially if they've no background in city planning or large infrastructure projects.

Although maybe they do know the price of building projects if they get a percentage for providing site security.

Field east · 04-02-2020 02:50PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Bringing up all the, literal skeletons in the Sinn Fein closet hasn’t worked before and won’t work now.

Their association with violence is actually attractive to some young voters who don’t remember the troubles.

But they can be reminded yet again and maybe their curiosity might be aroused

James Brown · 04-02-2020 02:51PM

Markcheese wrote: »

Okay I'll go for the pantomime answer .. oh yes they could ...

Record breaking record breaking crises, (FG)? A crashier crash, (FF)?

pjohnson · 04-02-2020 02:51PM

Field east wrote: »

The saying ‘ A lepoard does not change its spots’ comes to mind

Field east wrote: »

But they can be reminded yet again and maybe their curiosity might be aroused

The "younger generation" care about 2019 issues.

Necro · 04-02-2020 02:57PM

pjohnson wrote:

The "younger generation" care about 2019 issues.

Here's the crux though

The 'younger generation' are also much less likely to vote.

They will pontificate for hours on boards and Twitter but then just not bother showing up to make their vote do the talking.

I wish this wasnt the case, because I'm sick of the ever present grey people deciding our future governments but what can you do?

James Brown · 04-02-2020 02:57PM

pjohnson wrote: »

The "younger generation" care about 2019 issues.

As do most people, and into 2020 of course.

Field east · 04-02-2020 03:00PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

That old chestnut has been thrown around for the last 20 years as an excuse for not taxing the rich.
Perhaps it's time to test the waters.

Do we have to test the waters? Surely there are countries that have gone left and (@) what happened re capital flight from the country
(B)whathappened re inward investment continuing
(C)how did the annual GDP pan out

Field east · 04-02-2020 03:05PM

smurgen wrote: »

Lol look at the FGers only admitting we have a housing and health issue now they're about to be turfed out. I'm sure they've just woken up now. Give them another go and things will surely get better.they've only been in power a decade.

So it had a large war chest at the beginning of the decade???????

is_that_so · 04-02-2020 03:05PM

Necro wrote: »

Here's the crux though

The 'younger generation' are also much less likely to vote.

They will pontificate for hours on boards and Twitter but then just not bother showing up to make their vote do the talking.

I wish this wasnt the case, because I'm sick of the ever present grey people deciding our future governments but what can you do?

One day you'll be a grey person too and you can rail against the young and their lack of civic responsibility!

Yurt2 · 04-02-2020 03:06PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

If Varadkar & Martin don't bury McDonald in tonight's debate it'll be their own fault, it also depends on whether she's pressurised (or let off the hook) by Claire Byrne!

Sinn Fein's fiscal policy & economic model really need to be scrutinized, never mind the other 'shady' stuff which hopefully will be brought up tonight.

Every party's fiscal and economic policy needs to be probed. Had a rifle throug them just a while ago, and they all throw up question marks.

I love how FG is trying to corner the market in 'fiscally responsible' with their series of cost disasters. Doesn't hold water.

SafeSurfer · 04-02-2020 03:07PM

Necro wrote: »

It's easy to forget that sorry

But yeah, the SF vote in Leitrim and the border counties is enough surely to go hard at that last seat, I think depending on the make up of the next Dail they may regret it

Harkin (fcuk knows why), Mc Sharry and Kenny are likely locks for seats but that fourth could go anywhere

Kenny appeared to be in difficulty in the run up to the election. Serious split in SF in Leitrim apparently. His championing of the refugee centre in a building owned by someone with close family links, allegedly, has not gone down well. Chris Mc Manus was pulled as a running mate to shore up Kennys vote because there were fears he would not make it apparently.

godtabh · 04-02-2020 03:07PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Sinn Fein's fiscal policy & economic model really need to be scrutinized, never mind the other 'shady' stuff which hopefully will be brought up tonight.

Why would any one trust a party that flip flops on stances depending on what party of the island they are from?

I wouldn't trust them as far as I through them. and while I dont have much gra for FG I would agree with Coveney when he says SF will pay for everything in credit and **** the country up worse than any one ever did before.

I wouldn't trust a party who no political morals or morals full stop.

Hamsterchops · 04-02-2020 03:08PM

If Varadkar & Martin don't bury McDonald in tonight's debate it'll be their own fault, it also depends on whether she's pressurised (or let off the hook) by the interviewer!

Sinn Fein's fiscal policy & economic model really need to be scrutinized, never mind the other 'shady' stuff which hopefully will be brought up tonight.

Necro · 04-02-2020 03:08PM

is_that_so wrote:

One day you'll be a grey person too and you can rail against the young and their lack of civic responsibility!

I rail now too!

Voted in every single election/referendum that I've been in the country for since I turned voting age.

Had countless arguments with my siblings about first getting them on the electoral register and then actually going to cast their vote.

The only thing they bothered with was SSM, to join the ghastly #hometovote movement that saw huge turnouts.

My mates are the same, 2 or 3 interested in politics and the rest don't care and have never voted in their lives.

Its frustrating.

is_that_so · 04-02-2020 03:10PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Every party's fiscal and economic policy needs to be probed. Had a rifle throug them just a while ago, and they all throw up question marks.

I love how FG is trying to corner the market in 'fiscally responsible' with their series of cost disasters. Doesn't hold water.

None of them do and it's 2007 all over again for FF & FG and FF 1977 for SF. However, the main two have a track record of finding the books don't allow them to do certain things. Although their voters would accept that would SF voters?

tayto lover · 04-02-2020 03:13PM

Never voted SF before but sometimes you have to ask if they deserve a chance and if they could be much worse. You get fed up of hearing the same false promises from the same parties who have been running this state from its inception. Many of my friends are starting to think like this i.e. “ let them have a go and can it end up any worse than FF left it and how FG are running it now”.

The “man with the two pints” and the “man who gets up early to go to work “ are thinking of change. They’ve had their faces slapped too often.

jimmycrackcorm · 04-02-2020 03:16PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It's amazing how many people are suddenly concerned about false promises from politicians when it's SF making them. You'd swear FF or FG never promised something they couldn't deliver.

I won't be worried by SF not delivering their promises. Especially when the outcome of brexit next year hits our economy. I'd expect that SF on a coalition will get their comeback in the next election for not delivering, exactly like the greens and labour have before.

They aren't going to fix neither housing nor health once reality sets in.

No, I'm worried that their anti business economic policies will mean my job is at risk and discourage companies from locating here.

JohnnyFlash · 04-02-2020 03:16PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Never voted SF before but sometimes you have to ask if they deserve a chance and if they could be much worse. You get fed up of hearing the same false promises from the same parties who have been running this state from its inception. Many of my friends are starting to think like this i.e. “ let them have a go and can it end up any worse than FF left it and how FG are running it now”.

The “man with the two pints” and the “man who gets up early to go to work “ are thinking of change. They’ve had their faces slapped too often.

The State is less than 100 years old and we have gone from being the poorest country in Western Europe to one which is ranked as 3rd in the UN HDI. That happened under FF and FG governments. The man with two pints more than likely doesn’t have a clue how good he actually has it.

CageWager · 04-02-2020 03:18PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Never understood this attitude. It's a real example of total logic-fail.

You'd swear we were living in some sort of hell hole, rather than a prosperous western democracy.

We have massive issues with housing, health and infrastructure - some of which are directly related to how successfully we have managed to extract ourselves from recession a decade ago.

Ireland is far from perfect, but it's also far from being the basket-case that SF's policies would result in.

Be extremely careful what you wish for because things can always be worse.

This.

Lets not forget what happened in Germany not so long ago when the electorate became disillusioned with the government following years of austerity before a shiny new socialist party came along with their promises of “radical change”.

Radical indeed.

ednwireland · 04-02-2020 03:20PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

If Varadkar & Martin don't bury McDonald in tonight's debate it'll be their own fault, it also depends on whether she's pressurised (or let off the hook) by the interviewer!

Sinn Fein's fiscal policy & economic model really need to be scrutinized, never mind the other 'shady' stuff which hopefully will be brought up tonight.

all MLM has to do is throw up the childrens hospital and FG are flat on their faces

jimmycrackcorm · 04-02-2020 03:21PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Never voted SF before but sometimes you have to ask if they deserve a chance and if they could be much worse. You get fed up of hearing the same false promises from the same parties who have been running this state from its inception. Many of my friends are starting to think like this i.e. “ let them have a go and can it end up any worse than FF left it and how FG are running it now”.

The “man with the two pints” and the “man who gets up early to go to work “ are thinking of change. They’ve had their faces slapped too often.

This thinking is the same type of logic that got trump into power and the disaffected Northern areas of England voting for Brexit.

Frying pan / fire thinking.

tayto lover · 04-02-2020 03:24PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The State is less than 100 years old and we have gone from being the poorest country in Western Europe to one which is ranked as 3rd in the UN HDI. That happened under FF and FG governments. The man with two pints more than likely doesn’t have a clue how good he actually has it.

How much better could it be though if politicians weren’t paying way above the odds for a new children’s hospital in the wrong place, if homelessness was being seriously tackled, criminals were receiving appropriate sentences and if our grandchildren weren’t left to pay the debts of others?

Fann Linn · 04-02-2020 03:27PM

CageWager wrote: »

This.

Lets not forget what happened in Germany not so long ago when the electorate became disillusioned with the government following years of austerity before a shiny new socialist party came along with their promises of “radical change”.

Radical indeed.

Godwinned.

mikep · 04-02-2020 03:29PM

I've been thinking over the last few days that it won't be long before the shinners and their ilk ARE running the show.
Their first budget would likely be shot down by the EC which will then bring about a clamour for Irexit...

Trump, Bojo and Brexit show us anything is possible...

SafeSurfer · 04-02-2020 03:31PM

ednwireland wrote: »

all MLM has to do is throw up the childrens hospital and FG are flat on their faces

Sinn Fein have an excellent record on health in Northern Ireland. Not now, with record waiting lists but during the troubles.

Their then policies resulted in the surgeons with most experience of limb trauma, knee cappings, drilled elbows etc, being based in Belfast. The work of surgeons such as Prof Rab Mollan was pioneering and resulted in huge advancements in the field. They should be given a chance to work their magic here too.

Could Sinn Fein actually run a country ?

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