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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    silverharp wrote: »
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    A great series; watched it twice already


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    UK advises all British to leave China


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,575 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    This sounds like a stupid question but I'll ask it anyway.. Can the severity of your typical flu or coronavirus be impacted by how much of the virus you actually get exposed to? Or does it all go the same way once it's inside you? I feel it's the latter.

    Yes, amount of virus initially exposed to makes a difference in how transmissible it is, also on severity of illness AFAIK.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    fritzelly wrote: »
    UK advises all British to leave China


    Wow, would that be unprecedented?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    fritzelly wrote: »
    UK advises all British to leave China

    First Europe, now China.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12


    fritzelly wrote: »
    UK advises all British to leave China

    source?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Fairly drastic. Perhaps the UK government knows something about the spread of infections that others don't.

    The UK would have a fairly generous amount of intelligence assets on the ground there so this is worth paying attention to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    pc7 wrote: »
    Wow, would that be unprecedented?

    Well since the last world war


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    This sounds like a stupid question but I'll ask it anyway.. Can the severity of your typical flu or coronavirus be impacted by how much of the virus you actually get exposed to? Or does it all go the same way once it's inside you? I feel it's the latter.
    Would guesstimate once you have it, then you have it.

    You never hear of someone who is HIVpos, having 'just a bit of it'.
    They either have it or not, same would go for H1N1 and InfA/B etc.

    The only variant would be how quickly your own immune system can make antibodies to fight off this viral infection (and prevent secondary bacterial infections) and thus progress to recovery stage, for that everyone is different.

    Many folks reckon the best practical thing you can do to boost your immune system is to get a good nights sleep (full 8hrs). VitC+Zinc may also be useful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    bb12 wrote: »
    source?

    Dominic Raab (Foreign Secretary and toff) advising British to leave China via commercial flights if they can.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Fairly drastic. Perhaps the UK government knows something about the spread of infections that others don't.

    The UK would have a fairly generous amount of intelligence assets on the ground there so this is worth paying attention to.

    maybe the scientists studying the 2 infected cases in the UK found something that in the samples that concerned them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Fairly drastic. Perhaps the UK government knows something about the spread of infections that others don't.

    The UK would have a fairly generous amount of intelligence assets on the ground there so this is worth paying attention to.

    The uk has 30,000 british 'citizens' there, perhaps some remnants from the old H'Kong days, and many dual-nationality or with secondary passports.

    It's fine telling them to leave, but they would likely need chartered flights (very few chartered) and a shed load more of those Horsemen buses to the Hotel d'Wirral.
    If asking them to get chartered then it spreads the risk, e.g. Entering another country beside China, then getting multiple transfer flights towards Heathrow or somewhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭auspicious


    UK Health Secretary announced £20 million fund to research vaccines for coronavirus and similar diseases.
    He warned [ UK ] will be seeing the coronavirus for months to come.
    Approx. 500 Brits from 1200 returned from Wuhan are unaccounted for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭OMM 0000


    The uk has 30,000 british 'citizens' there, perhaps some remnants from the old H'Kong days, and many dual-nationality or with secondary passports.

    It's fine telling them to leave, but they would likely need chartered flights (very few chartered) and a shed load more of those Horsemen buses to the Hotel d'Wirral.
    If asking them to get chartered then it spreads the risk, e.g. Entering another country beside China, then getting multiple transfer flights towards Heathrow or somewhere.

    They're not advising they leave Hong Kong or Macau. The warning is for mainland China only.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    The uk has 30,000 british 'citizens' there, perhaps some remnants from the old H'Kong days, and many dual-nationality or with secondary passports.

    It's fine telling them to leave, but they would likely need chartered flights (very few chartered) and a shed load more of those Horsemen buses to the Hotel d'Wirral.
    If asking them to get chartered then it spreads the risk, e.g. Entering another country beside China, then getting multiple transfer flights towards Heathrow or somewhere.

    There are a lot of British in China in a lot of different lines of work. I would have put 30'000 as quite a low figure. China doesn't allow dual-nationals.

    Raab saying that nationals remaining in Hubei / Wuhan will be chartered out if they wish. Evreyone else has to leave on their own coin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭cadaliac


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Fairly drastic. Perhaps the UK government knows something about the spread of infections that others don't.

    The UK would have a fairly generous amount of intelligence assets on the ground there so this is worth paying attention to.

    I don't think that's drastic at all. Its a government reacting to a global significant and alarming, whats looking like a pandemic now.

    Action needs to be taken. Not wait and see.
    As previously stated on this thread, nobody really believes the Chinese numbers and therefore isn't going to risk their citizens.....
    I don't believe that the governments know any more that they are letting on. The actions in this case speak volumes.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    I might be wrong but I don`t think the authorities in this country have given any advice at all regarding travel to China or anywhere in the Far East for that matter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I might be wrong but I don`t think the authorities in this country have given any advice at all regarding travel to China or anywhere in the Far East for that matter.

    The DFAT maintains travel advice for every country.

    The advice for China atm is avoid non-essential travel. Probably will change up the advice to do not travel if things deteriorate any further you'd think.

    https://www.dfa.ie/travel/travel-advice/a-z-list-of-countries/china/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Yurt! wrote: »
    China doesn't allow dual-nationals.
    So it seems, very strange approach even if you entered on a uk passport:
    https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/china
    If you have both British and Chinese nationality you may be treated as a Chinese citizen by local authorities, even if you enter China on your British passport. If this is the case, the British Embassy may not be able to offer you consular assistance

    Perhaps the advice is also in light of many airlines suspending flights to China. I.e. Now's a good time to exit, if you were thinking of doing so anyway within the year.
    Still it may create some panic and lead to further spread.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭circadian


    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51357030

    I'm finding it hard to give a **** about this or even why it's considered newsworthy considering the sheer scale of what is unfolding.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    I didn't think it'd be necessary to add an /s to that post...

    Was that towards NY post or your post?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    I’d be expecting an upgrade of the warning from the WHO at this rate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    circadian wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51357030

    I'm finding it hard to give a **** about this or even why it's considered newsworthy considering the sheer scale of what is unfolding.

    Those shutdowns are going to have a massive impact on everyone - the amount of stuff made in China is massive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    auspicious wrote: »
    UK Health Secretary announced £20 million fund to research vaccines for coronavirus and similar diseases.
    He warned [ UK ] will be seeing the coronavirus for months to come.
    Approx. 500 Brits from 1200 returned from Wuhan are unaccounted for.


    Hmm. Bring on the summer quick!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Those shutdowns are going to have a massive impact on everyone - the amount of stuff made in China is massive

    The Chinese economy is under huge pressure on several fronts. This could be a watershed year for the country.

    I've been traveling to and from the country for about a decade now, and the amount of dumb-luck new wealth that has been created is off the charts. People that were living in urban squalor in Shenzhen / Shanghai / Beijing 15 years ago became millionaires via property handouts from the government when things were privatized.

    You see kids of 19/20 driving around in Lambos and their parents buying them places in American universities even though they're as thick as two planks.

    I think the music will stop this year, just as it did in Japan in the early 90s.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭little bess


    Is there any information about who is being tested for the virus, is it people that have attended hospitals or does it include people at home?
    If it’s 20000 that have attended hospitals that’s a huge number of people that feel bad enough to have to go to hospital no? Maybe they’re testing at local clinics too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    In early January, authorities in the Chinese city of Wuhan were trying to keep news of a new coronavirus under wraps. When one doctor tried to warn fellow medics about the outbreak, police paid him a visit and told him to stop. A month later he has been hailed as a hero, after he posted his story from a hospital bed.

    "Hello everyone, this is Li Wenliang, an ophthalmologist at Wuhan Central Hospital," the post begins.

    Dr Li was working at the centre of the outbreak in December when he noticed seven cases of a virus that he thought looked like Sars - the virus that led to a global epidemic in 2003. The cases were thought to come from the Huanan Seafood market in Wuhan and the patients were in quarantine in his hospital.

    On 30 December he sent a message to fellow doctors in a chat group warning them about the outbreak and advising they wear protective clothing to avoid infection.

    What Dr Li didn't know then was that the disease that had been discovered was an entirely new coronavirus.

    After falling sick, Dr Li said on Weibo that he wondered why authorities were still saying no medical staff had been infected. Four days later he was summoned to the Public Security Bureau where he was told him to sign a letter. In the letter he was accused of "making false comments" that had "severely disturbed the social order".

    "We solemnly warn you: If you keep being stubborn, with such impertinence, and continue this illegal activity, you will be brought to justice - is that understood?" Underneath in Dr Li's handwriting is written: "Yes, I do."

    He was one of eight people who police said were being investigated for "spreading rumours".

    At the end of January, Dr Li published a copy of the letter on Weibo and explained what had happened. In the meantime, local authorities had apologised to him but that apology came too late.

    ...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51364382

    Translation of this letter
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭OMM 0000


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    I’d be expecting an upgrade of the warning from the WHO at this rate.

    Have you seen any of their conferences? They're a mouthpiece for China now, so don't hold your breath.


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