new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

Rhys Essien · 03-02-2020 01:11PM

An outbreak on board a cruise ship now being quarantined in the port of Yokohama. There’s 3000 on board. Another tweet saying multiple outbreaks.

Good chance the whole ship is infected.

https://twitter.com/michiyocna/status/1224299573838893056?s=21

circadian · 03-02-2020 01:20PM

Rhys Essien wrote: »

An outbreak on board a cruise ship now being quarantined in the port of Yokohama. There’s 3000 on board. Another tweet saying multiple outbreaks.

Good chance the whole ship is infected.

https://twitter.com/michiyocna/status/1224299573838893056?s=21

That doesn't make sense? That would mean he was on board and is no longer on board from 25th January. So why is the ship being quarantined now? Are they concerned staff may be carrying it?

Yurt2 · 03-02-2020 01:34PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51353279

Chinese foreign ministry getting pissy with the US accusing it of spreading panic by restricting entry to non-citzens that have recently been to China.

You can always count on the nefarious Americans to bully poor little China. I'm sure the US would love a stock market dump like the Chinese exchanges experienced today just so Zhongnanhai can safe face. Very silly indeed. When things go wrong, you can always point the finger at Washington and cross your fingers the Chinese people swallow it.

Rhys Essien · 03-02-2020 01:34PM

circadian wrote: »

That doesn't make sense? That would mean he was on board and is no longer on board from 25th January. So why is the ship being quarantined now? Are they concerned staff may be carrying it?

He possibly got on in Hong Kong. If he was the carrier he basically had a week to infect the rest of the ship.

tuxy · 03-02-2020 01:44PM

The Irish Sun are now claiming there is a confirmed case in Ireland

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5054040/chinese-cops-barricade-woman-from-wuhan-inside-her-home-to-stop-coronavirus-spreading-as-she-screams-in-horror/

PM-DD-COMP-MAP-02-FEB.jpg?w=620

Rhys Essien · 03-02-2020 01:44PM

One of the 11 British flown home yesterday from Wuhan has taken ill.

Stark · 03-02-2020 01:49PM

tuxy wrote: »

The Irish Sun are now claiming there is a confirmed case in Ireland

It's the Sun. Probably one of

a) including the island of Ireland on the map as part of the UK.
b) Referring to that guy who arrived in Dublin airport showing symptoms but since tested negative as "confirmed case".

Usually ****ty standard of reporting either way.

silverharp · 03-02-2020 02:04PM

Has there been a death outside of China or Chinese nationals?

4068ac1elhodqr · 03-02-2020 02:05PM

The sun also report that: most Irish hospitals' emergency departments don't have isolation facilities to deal with an outbreak
which is likely correct, unless you include pushing someone into a storeroom or spare room, and lock the door.

Across the water, PHE recommended sealing any suspected case showing up a a GP surgery, and vacating the area (leaving possessions) until the bio-suit people arrive for extraction and fumigation.

CrankyHaus · 03-02-2020 02:06PM

Good analysis of the potential impact of this on the global economy:

"Opinion Global Economy
Coronavirus will hit global growth
China’s place in the world economy has grown dramatically since the US triggered earlier recessions"

https://www.ft.com/content/8be84270-4430-11ea-a43a-c4b328d9061c

4068ac1elhodqr · 03-02-2020 02:07PM

silverharp wrote: »

Has there been a death outside of China or Chinese nationals?

China had a head start in the outbreak (early Dec), so best wait a few weeks to get a better picture of each international case as it progresses.

rossie1977 · 03-02-2020 02:16PM

silverharp wrote: »

Has there been a death outside of China or Chinese nationals?

Chinese national from Wuhan died in the Philippines on Saturday. First death outside China

s7ryf3925pivug · 03-02-2020 02:26PM

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

The sun also report that: most Irish hospitals' emergency departments don't have isolation facilities to deal with an outbreak
which is likely correct, unless you include pushing someone into a storeroom or spare room, and lock the door.

Across the water, PHE recommended sealing any suspected case showing up a a GP surgery, and vacating the area (leaving possessions) until the bio-suit people arrive for extraction and fumigation.

My wife and I were put into isolation in a maternity hospital because she had the flu. It was just a private room and the nurses were disposable hazard coverings.

Duke of Url · 03-02-2020 02:27PM

So what’s the protocol now in lreland if you notice a Chinese Person coughing?

Call the GARDA?

4068ac1elhodqr · 03-02-2020 02:30PM

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

My wife and I were put into isolation in a maternity hospital because she had the flu. It was just a private room and the nurses were disposable hazard coverings.

A maternity hospital may better facilities that some regional A&E.

This is also a very different type of flu (not your regular Inf A/B facing winter overcrowding), no vaccine nor natural immunity exists for it, hence the aul global pandemic emergency.

Even when a vax is made, it will need human trials before final release to the public, there is also a risk of further mutation, making the new vax invalid.

car_radio19834 · 03-02-2020 02:40PM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Good analysis of the potential impact of this on the global economy:

"Opinion Global Economy
Coronavirus will hit global growth
China’s place in the world economy has grown dramatically since the US triggered earlier recessions"

https://www.ft.com/content/8be84270-4430-11ea-a43a-c4b328d9061c

paywall

odyssey06 · 03-02-2020 02:41PM

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

Even when a vax is made, it will need human trials before final release to the public, there is also a risk of further mutation, making the new vax invalid.

Swine flu vax was a rush job and there are cases in courts now re narcolepsy link. Wasnt suitable for kids due to those concerns iirc

enricoh · 03-02-2020 02:41PM

A mate's co- worker was on the flight from Moscow when the Chinese lad took ill. Yet man was taken off the plane at the airport. The rest of the flight were told to stay home as much as possible and if any issues on Sunday ring straight away.
Not exactly inspiring from the authorities!

ceadaoin. · 03-02-2020 02:42PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Can you clarify who has said this? It literally doesn't stack up with anything thats currently happening. Why did the WHO just declare a Global Health Emergency? Why is so much of China in lockdown? Doesn't really stack up to being low risk.

The WHO said themselves that it's an emergency because of the risks posed if it becomes widespread in countries with sub par medical care. For developed nations it doesn't pose as much of a risk.

car_radio19834 · 03-02-2020 02:52PM

From reddit

A civilian (Fang Bin) who filmed body bags in one of the WuHan hospitals had his door knocked down by the authority forcing him to "measure his temperature" and ended up in police station for not following "one voice" policy.

https://youtu.be/sCEFzL66oKg
I am not sure how people got all excited with hosptial being built within 9 days when there are **** ton of cover ups happening right now, people are literally dying in their own home in WuHan.

EDIT: There is a huge humanitarian crisis happening right now in WuHan and you would not find it on the news because 1) WuHan is in lock down a lot of foreign press are either not there or stayed in-door for both safety and government order. 2) Censorship on reporting is very serious. A lot of local news outlet are asked to "tone down" the reporting and focus on reporting the "positive side" of the outbreak.

Basically your only source of information for the situation happening in WuHan is WeiBo or YouTube (yes YouTube. They have to upload to YouTube with VPN for personal "safety"), even the "tweets" on WeiBo got deleted very quickly and if you read Chinese you would know more about the sitation.

EDIT2: I want to point out that I am not here to cause panic. The infection COULD be treated with HIGH survival rate. It is estimated to be less deadly than SARS by many scientists.

HOWEVER, the real problem here is that the virus is VERY contagious. The real risk here is a huge crowd of patients would exhaust all medical resources and people would die due to lack of treatment.

This is what happening right now in WuHan. If you pay attention to death rate in WuHan, you will find that it is much higher than other province in China or rest of the world. It is because a lot of patients were rejected from admitting into hospital due to overcrowding even when they are showing symptoms for they are “not severe enough” or “not confirmed as infected” due to lack of test kits. Patients with cancers are being sent back to home to leave room for the infected. Also a lot of infections actually took place in the hospitals because of the long lines and the lack of protective gear, people with common flu or cold were infected in hospital.

silverharp · 03-02-2020 03:08PM

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

China had a head start in the outbreak (early Dec), so best wait a few weeks to get a better picture of each international case as it progresses.

I'd assume viruses don't have ethnic preferences but it would be interesting if this one did

givyjoe · 03-02-2020 03:21PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The WHO said themselves that it's an emergency because of the risks posed if it becomes widespread in countries with sub par medical care. For developed nations it doesn't pose as much of a risk.

So China isn't a developed nation then.. hmmm. Think you are seriously misquoting the WHO there. They did not state it was only an Emergency, because of the risk to developing countries. It is of a particular high risk to those countries because of their poor healthcare systems.

Your last sentence sounds an awful like personal opinion and not actually what the WHO said, or the actual reality of the situation.

wakka12 · 03-02-2020 03:24PM

Much of China is developing economically and the social/political system is not one that we generally associate with a developed naiton (basically, non western) but in terms of infrastrucutre it is just as and in some cases much more infrastructurally developed than for example Ireland. Most Chinese cities make a lot of Dublin look like a shanty town, but people in Ireland probably have much higher life satisfactioin. Theres multiple layers to it and I dont think all of a country as big as China can just be labelled as simply as 'developed' or 'developing', there are at least one hundred million Chinese people who are wildly wealthier than the average Irish person, do you think they just accept 'developing world' infrastructure? There are many different sides to the economic and social situation of Chinese society, its an extremely large and diverse country

ceadaoin. · 03-02-2020 03:46PM

givyjoe wrote: »

So China isn't a developed nation then.. hmmm. Think you are seriously misquoting the WHO there. They did not state it was only an Emergency, because of the risk to developing countries. It is of a particular high risk to those countries because of their poor healthcare systems.

Your last sentence sounds an awful like personal opinion and not actually what the WHO said, or the actual reality of the situation.

They pretty much said the reason for it was to support less developed countries. That's it.

Instead, he said, the declaration of a public health emergency of international concern, or PHEIC, is meant to help support less developed countries and to try to prevent the virus from spreading in those places that are less equipped to detect the disease and handle infections.

“We don’t know what sort of damage this virus could do if it spread in a country with a weaker health system,” Tedros said

Reckless Abandonment · 03-02-2020 03:49PM

enricoh wrote: »

A mate's co- worker was on the flight from Moscow when the Chinese lad took ill. Yet man was taken off the plane at the airport. The rest of the flight were told to stay home as much as possible and if any issues on Sunday ring straight away.
Not exactly inspiring from the authorities!

What should they do with the other 200 odd people?

givyjoe · 03-02-2020 03:52PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

They pretty much said the reason for it was to support less developed countries. That's it.

So it does: https://corporatemaldives.com/coronavirus-is-declared-a-global-health-emergency-as-threat-rises-outside-china/

Can you tell me where it says this is a low risk to developed countries?

Rhys Essien · 03-02-2020 03:54PM

Kerala in India has now declared a State disaster.

https://twitter.com/ani/status/1224347230926073857?s=21

daheff · 03-02-2020 03:54PM

Reckless Abandonment wrote: »

What should they do with the other 200 odd people?

Isolate them somewhere. Like UK are doing with people it flew back from China.

Ignoring the issue isn't helping.

SeaBreezes · 03-02-2020 03:59PM

daheff wrote: »

Isolate them somewhere. Like UK are doing with people it flew back from China.

Ignoring the issue isn't helping.

Except for the bus drivers who had no protective gear and were sent home

SeaBreezes · 03-02-2020 04:04PM

silverharp wrote: »

I'd assume viruses don't have ethnic preferences but it would be interesting if this one did

But they do. Spanish flu while high mortality rate among Europeans was particularly deadly for Inuit, Native American and Polynesian populations.

On twitter it seems this virus affects Asian males more, but early days yet. Nobody really knows.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

Comments