new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

PhantomHat · 03-02-2020 11:38AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Tests show passenger who arrived at Dublin airport does not have coronavirus.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/tests-show-passenger-who-arrived-at-dublin-airport-does-not-have-coronavirus-1.4159569

This is why mainstream media were slow to report without facts.

I guess this news will disappoint some people on this thread.

Good to hear.
I should hope people aren't disappointed

VinLieger · 03-02-2020 11:38AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Tests show passenger who arrived at Dublin airport does not have coronavirus.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/tests-show-passenger-who-arrived-at-dublin-airport-does-not-have-coronavirus-1.4159569

This is why mainstream media were slow to report without facts.

I guess this news will disappoint some people on this thread.

So only 1 test was done? Germany and others have been testing twice as in several cases the first test has been negative but the second positive

Duke of Url · 03-02-2020 11:44AM

VinLieger wrote: »

So only 1 test was done? Germany and others have been testing twice as in several cases the first test has been negative but the second positive

And your not questioning why this person was singled out?

givyjoe · 03-02-2020 11:45AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

He said a lot of positive things about the virus not thriving in hot weather, immunity, containment but folks seemed to have grasped on the negative and there seems to be a lot of negativity on here despite being told the threat is low. I work in a bio corp and if they were worried we’d all know but all the communications we’ve received have been positive.

Can you clarify who has said this? It literally doesn't stack up with anything thats currently happening. Why did the WHO just declare a Global Health Emergency? Why is so much of China in lockdown? Doesn't really stack up to being low risk.

humberklog · 03-02-2020 11:48AM

josip wrote: »

Any of the uninhabited islands off the west coast would be perfect.
If we were stuck, even Lambay/Ireland's Eye or Dalkey Island would do the job.

Lambay is privately owned.

gozunda · 03-02-2020 11:50AM

wakka12 wrote: »

I've been thinking about this a lot too. It's not the disease I'm worried about per se, but imagine going to a hospital in need, and just being turned away. Nothing they can do, no matter how much they want to. None of the fall backs or safety nets available that we are so used to having in a developed western society, out on your own

Agreed its not so much the death rate - more so what is required in terms of personnel and resources required to simply look after the sick. Irish hospitals are already at a seasonal bottleneck. Throwing in quarantine and any significant numbers contacting the disease will be hugely problematic. Imho if you are going to get it and have the best chance of recovery - better be at the top of the queue

I think it's also the sense of panic which in part exacerbates many of these problems. In China there are reports of local officials barricading people into their apartments and of people killing pets after they were incorrectly suspected of transmitting the virus. Ironically both types of panicked reaction which happened during the great plague of London.

timmyntc · 03-02-2020 11:50AM

josip wrote: »

Any of the uninhabited islands off the west coast would be perfect.
If we were stuck, even Lambay/Ireland's Eye or Dalkey Island would do the job.

You need an island with an airstrip so you can land flights there. Otherwise you're flying them into Dublin, and moving them through Dublin and putting them on a boat, etc.

The whole point of quarantine is to minimize all exposure to the general population.

For Forks Sake · 03-02-2020 11:51AM

humberklog wrote: »

Lambay is privately owned.

It also has wallabies : https://www.thejournal.ie/wallabies-lambay-island-2-3516673-Jul2017/

Drumpot · 03-02-2020 11:53AM

gozunda wrote: »

Agreed its not so much the death rate - more so the resources in terms of personnel and resources which are required to simply look after the sick. Irish hospitals are already at a seasonal bottleneck. Throwing in quarantine and any significant numbers contacting the disease will be hugely problematic. Imho if you are going to get it and have the best chance of recovery - better be at the top of the queue

I think it's also the sense of panic which in part exacerbates many of these problems. In China there are reports of local officials barricading people into their apartments and of people killing pets after they were incorrectly suspected of transmitting the virus. Ironically both types of panicked reaction which happened during the great plague of London.

You would wonder which is worse, not having much information (or slower movement of information) pre internet or having lots of misinformation that we suffer nowadays so the accurate information is difficult to communicate.

If Trump and Brexit have shown anything it’s how easily misinformation can manipulate the masses.

Quantum Erasure · 03-02-2020 11:55AM

What's spike island like?

josip · 03-02-2020 11:56AM

humberklog wrote: »

Lambay is privately owned.

Nationalise it under emergency powers.

timmyntc wrote: »

You need an island with an airstrip so you can land flights there. Otherwise you're flying them into Dublin, and moving them through Dublin and putting them on a boat, etc.

The whole point of quarantine is to minimize all exposure to the general population.

Chopper them out straight from Dublin.

For Forks Sake wrote: »

It also has wallabies : https://www.thejournal.ie/wallabies-lambay-island-2-3516673-Jul2017/

Wallabies should be thankful they're not back in Oz.

For Forks Sake · 03-02-2020 11:57AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

What's spike island like?

A fine tourist attraction these days: https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Spike-Island-named-Europes-top-tourist-attraction-05799b31-eb84-4a19-a0fc-b03cb75c91d2-ds

imfml · 03-02-2020 11:57AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I suspect we have nowhere suitable to quarantine people, and we would not have the capacity to treat a significant outbreak either.

I would have thought a hotel on the north side of the city should be able to take 100 or so passengers from a flight arriving with a suspected case. Would this not be the way to manage a situation like the Moscow flight in future, until the suspected case is tested. In hindsight those passengers would have been delayed 48 hours but it would have saved alot of worry and potential risk to the public. Imagine the test was positive, this country would be looking at being a new epicenter. Thankfully the passenger is ok but pure luck given he traveled from China. Maybe we are lucky to have had a 'test run' we can learn from

Yurt2 · 03-02-2020 11:58AM

cameramonkey wrote: »

He is also saying that the outbreak in Wuhan will peek on about 20 April and two weeks later in other Chinese cites. With the numbers doubling up to that date every 6.2 days. That is interesting.

That's interesting, a Chinese friend in country was saying people are being told by the powers that be that it will peak towards the end of this month. Again, that (forgive the pun) comes with a health warning, second hand information.

03-02-2020 12:04PM

Ye're talking as if this is ebola.. One person has died outside China. Relax. You don't islands to quarantine people.

cloudatlas · 03-02-2020 12:05PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Can you clarify who has said this? It literally doesn't stack up with anything thats currently happening. Why did the WHO just declare a Global Health Emergency? Why is so much of China in lockdown? Doesn't really stack up to being low risk.

Risk to people in the uk remains low. I assume it’s the same in Ireland. Ye would think by this thread the majority live in wuhan.

wakka12 · 03-02-2020 12:10PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Risk to people in the uk remains low. I assume it’s the same in Ireland. Ye would think by this thread the majority live in wuhan.

Actually the risk in Ireland is now considered medium.

"There are no confirmed cases of novel Coronavirus in Ireland to date. The risk of importation of a case into Ireland from another country is moderate according to ECDC.''

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/passenger-displaying-coronavirus-symptoms-taken-17674333?

CrankyHaus · 03-02-2020 12:11PM

humberklog wrote: »

Lambay is privately owned.

So is Ireland's Eye since Tetrarch Capital bought Howth Demesne last year.

Anyway the idea's mad.

tara73 · 03-02-2020 12:12PM

WOW, why has this thread been moved to Current affairs? if there's one thread useful in AH, it would be this imo. very important to keep people informed, AH is the forum with the most users or readers through all sorts of different people I guess, why move it to current affairs??:eek::eek:

givyjoe · 03-02-2020 12:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ye're talking as if this is ebola.. One person has died outside China. Relax. You don't islands to quarantine people.

This is far more contagious and fast spreading than ebola. I think most people, myself included, aren't worried about the catching the virus per se, but rather the effects and repercussions if it did manage to take hold here as it did in China. It took hold in China due to carelessness and not taking it seriously enough, early enough. It would be absolutely criminal if we and other countries made the same mistakes.

Graces7 · 03-02-2020 12:26PM

tara73 wrote: »

WOW, why has this thread been moved to Current affairs? if there's one thread useful in AH, it would be this imo. very important to keep people informed, AH is the forum with the most users or readers through all sorts of different people I guess, why move it to current affairs??:eek::eek:

???? Why the fuss; It is but a click away! Not rocket science

Fr_Dougal · 03-02-2020 12:31PM

tara73 wrote: »

WOW, why has this thread been moved to Current affairs? if there's one thread useful in AH, it would be this imo. very important to keep people informed, AH is the forum with the most users or readers through all sorts of different people I guess, why move it to current affairs??:eek::eek:

Totally agree.

NewMan1982 · 03-02-2020 12:36PM

tara73 wrote: »

WOW, why has this thread been moved to Current affairs? if there's one thread useful in AH, it would be this imo. very important to keep people informed, AH is the forum with the most users or readers through all sorts of different people I guess, why move it to current affairs??:eek::eek:

Probably because it’s current affairs?

tuxy · 03-02-2020 12:37PM

tara73 wrote: »

WOW, why has this thread been moved to Current affairs? if there's one thread useful in AH, it would be this imo. very important to keep people informed, AH is the forum with the most users or readers through all sorts of different people I guess, why move it to current affairs??:eek::eek:

Posters who have access to sensitive CIA Intel should not have to post in after hours. It's beneath them.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The CIA say it's the most advanced bio weapons facility in China.

Why do you think China put such extreme measures in place so quick?

VinLieger · 03-02-2020 12:40PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

And your not questioning why this person was singled out?

What do you mean? They were obviously showing symptoms to be concerned about if the pilot radioed ahead. I'm just pointing out that there's multiple cases of 2 tests where the first is negative and the second is positive

DellyBelly · 03-02-2020 12:43PM

I listented to an expert on the Marian Finnucane show on Sunday morning and he if I'm not mistaken seemedto be indicating that we should ban all vistors from China to the county until this passes. Fairly radical but obviously this is a pretty serious pandemic

rossie1977 · 03-02-2020 12:53PM

DellyBelly wrote: »

I listented to an expert on the Marian Finnucane show on Sunday morning and he if I'm not mistaken seemedto be indicating that we should ban all vistors from China to the county until this passes. Fairly radical but obviously this is a pretty serious pandemic

How would we manage that though effectively? There are no direct flight's to Ireland so everyone travelling to and from China transits through countless airports such as London, Zurich, Berlin, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Paris etc.

Very little way of knowing someone was in China recently unless they are truthful to Irish airport staff upon arrival. A crackdown like this would result in people lying to get into Ireland.

One man picked up the virus during a 2 hour transit through Wuhan airport.

tara73 · 03-02-2020 12:53PM

NewMan1982 wrote: »

Probably because it’s current affairs?

not getting the point.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-02-2020 01:00PM

VinLieger wrote: »

What do you mean? They were obviously showing symptoms to be concerned about if the pilot radioed ahead. I'm just pointing out that there's multiple cases of 2 tests where the first is negative and the second is positive

Issue here is not the diagnosis, it's the lack of faith people will have as the result of not having a temporary quarantine procedure for remaining passengers until the diagnosis was given.

This does not inspire much confidence tbh.

But then it is the HSE so...

The black out from RTE is hard to understand even if the HSE themselves don't comment. I don't think they mentioned it once.

circadian · 03-02-2020 01:27PM

Regardless of how that incident was handled it's entirely possible that someone with the virus has already landed in Ireland. I'm purely speculating if course but it wouldn't be unreasonable to suspect that someone has arrived here carrying an infection. What that means in the long term I wouldn't be sure.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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