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General Election and Government Formation Megathread (see post #1)

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  • #1682
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Brussels Sprout wrote: »
    He's not an Independent candidate.

    Fair enough. The thread is about bashing independents, nothing to do with immigration. That’s fine, it’s your thread. Enjoy.


  • #1683
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Apart from the 3 border constituencies

    Dublin Bay South is now in play - Chris Andrews
    Dublin Mid-West - they won a second seat with Mark Ward in November but this would be a gain from 2016
    Mayo - Rose Conway-Walsh


    I think we're going to see some massive inefficiencies for SF in terms of large surpluses with no opportunity to transfer to a running mate for example in Waterford, Dublin South-West, Dublin Central, Dublin South-Central and perhaps even Cork North-Central.


  • #1684
    Godot.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Godot.


    Imagining there's a left wing government, how would the split work in terms of cabinet positions. 11 SF/ 7 Others?

    Boyd-Barrett Minister for Defence, anyone?


  • #1685
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I Am The Law wrote: »
    I'm around along time too, this is the type of post that leaves me exasperated.

    All I need to do is look at my payslip, or the headline of a paper, then read a post like this to remind me of the inequality that exists.

    It's over for FG FF.
    Average earnings have increased 16% across the economy since 2014.

    Being bluntly honest, if you haven't seen a change, then you're in the wrong job or not paying attention to what's possible.

    Some people are doing worse. Some people are doing incredibly well. On average, most people are doing better.


  • #1686
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    jackboy wrote: »
    The thread is about bashing independents, nothing to do with immigration.

    No it's not. I already have a list of party candidates who are running on these platforms. They're easy enough to find as parties have websites and policies. It's more difficult to track down Independents which is why I am asking for information on them.


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  • #1687
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    howiya wrote: »
    Brian Garrigan - Dublin Bay North

    Looking at his twitter page he fits the bill thanks.


  • #1688
    Arthur Daley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,714 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    ricero wrote: »
    FF/FG are dying off just like their core voters, it's great to see.

    As a 18 - 34 year old it's great to see my generation abandoning the civil war politics and giving Sinn Fein and others a go.

    I hope 18-34 year olds like paying tax. To pay down debt. Because that is where SF will lead us and we only owe €200bn to start with.


  • #1689
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,974 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    This demographic is the demographic that feels enfranchised by what was achieved in the SSM and women's rights referendums.
    I wouldn't be betting on them not turning out tbh.

    Well those things you mentioned weren't hard sells to that demographic but elections I wouldn't be as confident as you Francie.


  • #1690
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Gbear wrote: »
    I don't want to suggest he's outright anti-immigrant but Michael Collins of Cork South West has voiced some vaguely immigration-skeptical stuff and voiced some support for Noel Grealish TD.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/our-own-people-should-come-first-before-we-help-immigrants-td-claims-38509127.html

    His facebook page isn't a stream of vitriol about "deh forinurs" or anything of the sort, but if you were thinking of voting for him, it might be worth doing a bit more digging yourself or if he comes canvassing to your area, maybe ask him directly how he feels about immigration-related issues.

    What, our own people should come first before helping immigrants. Outrageous.


  • #1691
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,566 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well those things you mentioned weren't hard sells to that demographic but elections I wouldn't be as confident as you Francie.

    The polls(plural) seem to show that they have 'bought' into something - change.

    Are they likely to follow through if they sense they can change things? My view is that they are more likely to based on the Referendums.


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  • #1692
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,974 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The polls(plural) seem to show that they have 'bought' into something - change.

    Are they likely to follow through if they sense they can change things? My view is that they are more likely to based on the Referendums.

    Opinion polls aren't votes in a ballot box though. Maybe they will vote next Saturday but my experience is they don't vote in numbers in elections. Referendums yes but elections not as much.


  • #1693
    decky1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭decky1


    great news, hopefully the young people of Ireland will give them the votes they need , they deserve a chance we can't just be going around in circles with the other parties, let them prove themselves and see how we get on.


  • #1694
    howiya
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭howiya


    Brussels Sprout wrote: »
    Looking at his twitter page he fits the bill thanks.

    We got a leaflet in the door but I didn't keep it


  • #1695
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    BelovedAunt wrote: »
    Will any actually improve life at all for the tax payer?
    That is for you to decide!:) Check out their manifestos/promises.


  • #1696
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Spend five minutes here to see which parties are closes to your values


    http://www.whichcandidate.ie/
    That's pretty ropey TBH and it had me down for people I wouldn't even consider. Fault of the questions really! I'd still say hit the manifestos.


  • #1697
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Brussels Sprout wrote: »
    Apart from the 3 border constituencies

    Dublin Bay South is now in play - Chris Andrews
    Dublin Mid-West - they won a second seat with Mark Ward in November but this would be a gain from 2016
    Mayo - Rose Conway-Walsh


    I think we're going to see some massive inefficiencies for SF in terms of large surpluses with no opportunity to transfer to a running mate for example in Waterford, Dublin South-West, Dublin Central, Dublin South-Central and perhaps even Cork North-Central.
    They might also be head to head in Meath West if those numbers pan out.


  • #1698
    angel eyes 2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 966 ✭✭✭angel eyes 2012


    Paul Donnelly in Dublin West has a good chance. There will be a fight over 2 seats after FF and FG will take the first two.


  • #1699
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,709 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That's pretty ropey TBH and it had me down for people I wouldn't even consider. Fault of the questions really! I'd still say hit the manifestos.
    Worked well for me, and highlighted one independent worthy of consideration that I might otherwise have missed, but YMMV.


    It's always good to hit the manifestos, but it can be tough going to identify the key differences.


  • #1700
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Yeah I'm not convinced by the argument that Saturday votes bring out more young voters.

    There are plenty of arguments why it might, but there are plenty of arguments why midweek voting suits younger people better too.

    On balance it probably won't make a difference. The issue of young voter apathy has never been about access to the ballot box


  • #1701
    El Tarangu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    decky1 wrote: »
    great news, hopefully the young people of Ireland will give them the votes they need , they deserve a chance we can't just be going around in circles with the other parties, let them prove themselves and see how we get on.

    They've been in government in the North; I don't think they have been an unqualified success up there.


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  • #1702
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I'm not the Minister for Health with responsibility for overseeing the HSE.
    Why doesn't he do it?
    It's his job.
    It's actually not the job of the MOH, They just produce overall policy, plans and the money. It's the job of the HSE to manage the budget. There's not much any minister can do , when the real culprits, hospital managers, come cap in hand every year without fail for a handout. I'm indifferent to whoever the new MOH is as it's really Slaintecare from now on but I really do hope that Paul Reid finally gets the beast of the "new" HSE under control.


  • #1703
    Godot.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Godot.


    ricero wrote: »
    FF/FG are dying off just like their core voters, it's great to see.

    As a 18 - 34 year old it's great to see my generation abandoning the civil war politics and giving Sinn Fein and others a go.

    I too would like to see a left wing government but the thought of Sinn Fein leading it makes me uncomfortable. If it ever happens I would hope the likes of the Soc Dems and Labour would pull the plug on the government immediately if SF ever tried to abolish the Special Criminal Court.


  • #1704
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Has anyone got the Ivan Yates tally?

    Also if Sinn Fein are barrelling forth is it at the expense of the other lefty parties as much as it is at a cost to FG?

    In other words will SF become the defacto part of the left for the next few parliamentary terms (Labour rip)?

    Hard to see a party with 42 candidates being able to lead a government.


  • #1705
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's actually not the job of the MOH, They just produce overall policy, plans and the money. It's the job of the HSE to manage the budget. There's not much any minister can do , when the real culprits, hospital managers, come cap in hand every year without fail for a handout. I'm indifferent to whoever the new MOH is as it's really Slaintecare from now on but I really do hope that Paul Reid finally gets the beast of the "new" HSE under control.

    When the Minister for Health is not ultimately in charge of the organisation responsible for the provision of health services it just shows how completely dysfunctional our government it.


  • #1706
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jackboy wrote: »
    Leo Varadkar. He was bashing immigration from Georgia.
    Nope, just people with false papers from Albania and Georgia, which they destroyed. Both are considered safe countries. They moved immigration checks to the step of the plane and it went away.


  • #1707
    Gbear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What, our own people should come first before helping immigrants. Outrageous.

    Which is why I didn't say he was a racist and to be avoided, but rather, you should do some extra homework on him, and see if you can speak to him personally to see exactly what his opionions are on the issue.

    A pervasive tactic among anti-immigration people is to frame what they're proposing as just "reasonable debate", and present ostensibly sensible positions, when what they're arguing are straw men, and their true aims are to make populist xenophobic attacks on people.

    I'm not saying that that's what Collins is about, but I would suggest if you were going to vote for him, if immigration is an issue you're concerned about, to try to pin down exactly where he falls on it.


  • #1708
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    This government has not left the country in a mess

    As long as you never have a medical emergency, have a disability, run a small business that needs public liability insurance, are hoping to become a first time buyer currently renting, can afford to pay rent near your place of employment, need to pay for childcare, have an elderly parent needing care, are homeless, need a guard on a Saturday night...


  • #1709
    Millionaire only not
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭Millionaire only not


    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    Shane Ross is an independent, and an absolute clown.

    Yes and he was so politically correct before he joined the big boys club !
    Had all the answers!
    Minute he went in he must have failed at ever possible thing he tackled a disgrace!

    It’s easy in opposition to object but to implement policies that work is a different scenario!


  • #1710
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    When the Minister for Health is not ultimately in charge of the organisation responsible for the provision of health services it just shows how completely dysfunctional our government it.
    Well that means every government we've ever had has been dysfunctional, but we've had very few decent MOHs. It's a very lazy argument that the MOH can make people manage their remits properly. It also completely ignores the issues at the root of our problems.


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  • #1711
    Godot.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Godot.


    Oh come on, we've become one of the most successful countries in the world, as much as people like to mock FF/FG.

    Apparently every government we have is rubbish, yet we've transformed from a poor backwater to a rich country ranked 3rd on the Human Development Index.


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