new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

02-02-2020 12:29PM

New trial regulations from China’s National Health Commission (NHC) have banned funerals and other similar activities involving the corpses of deceased victims of the novel coronavirus.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-bans-funerals-for-coronavirus-victims-as-death-toll-rises-2020-2?utm_source=quora&utm_medium=referral&r=US&IR=T

Maybe earlier rumors were true?

Clarence Boddiker · 02-02-2020 12:29PM

Bio Weapon or not, its entirely plausible that it was accidentally released from the lab in Wuhan. It may have been a weapon or possibly Vaccine research on a potential virus. Or just general tinkering with existing virus types gone wrong.
But the lab angle cannot be dismissed at this stage.

fixXxer · 02-02-2020 12:31PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

What’s the procedure for testing do you know? Do they take a blood test every day until a safe amount of days have passed?

Would usually be molecular PCR testing on nasal or throat swabs.

zell12 · 02-02-2020 12:31PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

I heard a report about it on the 11am news today but as usual it was bs - not a word about the other passengers on the flight. ..

They were held on the plane for hours
Each of them was given a leaflet informing them of the potential Coronavirus case and advising them to "avoid contact with other people" tonight and ring 999 if they later display symptoms. It had an incorrect date too.
It read:
You have been on a flight from Moscow today with a possible case of novel Coronavirus. Please avoid contact with other people as much as possible tonight.
If you become ill, especially with a cough, sore throat, breathlessness or high temperature please stay home or in you hotel room and phone a doctor or 999 for advice, mentioning that you are on this flight. A public health doctor will contact you tomorrow.

babybuilder · 02-02-2020 12:36PM

zell12 wrote: »

They were held on the plane for hours
Each of them was given a leaflet informing them of the potential Coronavirus case and advising them to "avoid contact with other people" tonight and ring 999 if they later display symptoms.
It read:
You have been on a flight from Moscow today with a possible case of novel Coronavirus. Please avoid contact with other people as much as possible tonight.
If you become ill, especially with a cough, sore throat, breathlessness or high temperature please stay home or in you hotel room and phone a doctor or 999 for advice, mentioning that you are on this flight. A public health doctor will contact you tomorrow.

No public safety announcement to reassure us what has happened or what steps are being taken. Deplorable. Wrong - criminal incompetence

VinLieger · 02-02-2020 12:36PM

zell12 wrote: »

They were held on the plane for hours
Each of them was given a leaflet informing them of the potential Coronavirus case and advising them to "avoid contact with other people" tonight and ring 999 if they later display symptoms.
It read:
You have been on a flight from Moscow today with a possible case of novel Coronavirus. Please avoid contact with other people as much as possible tonight.
If you become ill, especially with a cough, sore throat, breathlessness or high temperature please stay home or in you hotel room and phone a doctor or 999 for advice, mentioning that you are on this flight. A public health doctor will contact you tomorrow.

Which is ridiculous, they should have all been quarantined until the persons test results come back and then if it was positive for coronavirus held in a centre with regular tests performed.

bilston · 02-02-2020 12:39PM

scamalert wrote: »

if people would only use rational thinking not consipracy ****e on the internet, given total numbers this virus doesnt even match flu, as 300 death toll as bad as it may sound, in likes of china is a grain of sand. given that it has incubaction period and modern medicine, its spread is slow - which means very well treatable.

we had zika few years back which carried and still does massive genetic disorder for female pregnant women and kids, far worse consequences for life. ebola was something that could been agro virus given location and how uneducated people were at the time.

but in a country with well over billion people 300 deaths and few outside, we have almost same numbers of people that die from regular flu each year here, so this hype that it will have snowball effect when most countries already have contingencies in place to monitor its spread and contain it, shows more of hysteria that media pushes as theres nothing else to report.

Maybe it is being hyped...but it's too early to say.

However the number of confirmed infections and deaths have almost doubled since Thursday. That's three days ago. I'm no expert on viruses but the numbers suggest that by Wednesday we could be talking about 30,000 infections and 600 deaths and by the this time next week 60,000 infections and 1,200 deaths and so it could go on. There is hopefully a good chance that won't happen, or at least that it won't happen that quickly but we don't really know yet.

The big positive is the tiny number of cases outside China, if that remains the case in a week's time (effectively 2 weeks after various travel bans came into place) then maybe we can be reassured that China have this under control and there won't be a global spread of it.

imfml · 02-02-2020 12:43PM

RTE only do news updates Monday to Friday 9-5. Surreal that there is no main stream media coverage of this, although it is only a suspected case.

If China has dozens of cities in lock down to contain this thing, heads should role for the decisions made last night. Suspected case or not, each passenger is high risk and will surely have interacted with at least 5 members of the public by now, more by the end of the day.

To hold a plane full of passengers for 48 hours and await results would have been an easy and justified decision. Also, if the suspected ill passenger was aware they had symptoms, can somebody please post the time of the public stoning.

odyssey06 · 02-02-2020 12:43PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Which is ridiculous, they should have all been quarantined until the persons test results come back and then if it was positive for coronavirus held in a centre with regular tests performed.

Nah printing a leaflet is a lot less hassle for the officials 'responsible'.

babybuilder · 02-02-2020 12:52PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Nah printing a leaflet is a lot less hassle for the officials 'responsible'.

And they couldn't get even the date on the notice right

saabsaab · 02-02-2020 12:53PM

I saw a notice in the hospital recently that asked people returning from Wuhan or region in the past month or so to ring them if they get sick!

This is not enough, surely they should be proactive and track those who have come from there. the Moscow flight confirms how unprepared we are to deal with it.

Cody montana · 02-02-2020 12:58PM

saabsaab wrote: »

I saw a notice in the hospital recently that asked people returning from Wuhan or region in the past month or so to ring them if they get sick!

This is not enough, surely they should be proactive and track those who have come from there. the Moscow flight confirms how unprepared we are to deal with it.

And how do you propose a hospital does that?

Fr_Dougal · 02-02-2020 12:58PM

zell12 wrote: »

They were held on the plane for hours
Each of them was given a leaflet informing them of the potential Coronavirus case and advising them to "avoid contact with other people" tonight and ring 999 if they later display symptoms. It had an incorrect date too.
It read:
You have been on a flight from Moscow today with a possible case of novel Coronavirus. Please avoid contact with other people as much as possible tonight.
If you become ill, especially with a cough, sore throat, breathlessness or high temperature please stay home or in you hotel room and phone a doctor or 999 for advice, mentioning that you are on this flight. A public health doctor will contact you tomorrow.

This demonstrates how prepared Ireland is.

Akrasia · 02-02-2020 12:59PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The current situation

2,110 serious
328 recovered
19,544 suspected

Deaths 304

Is there anywhere that displays the figures as a graph over time?

If the number of reported or confirmed cases is not growing exponentially then there’s probably nothing to worry about.

Scrabbles38 · 02-02-2020 12:59PM

tom1ie wrote: »

This thread has turned into nonsense. Could all the theorists piss off to a new thread and keep this one for informative factual discussions only. Thanks.
Anyway.
What happened to the rest of the passengers off that Moscow flight last night? Will there be follow up tests done on them?
What happened to the guy who tested positive, is he still in isolation in the matter?
I can’t find any television news coverage on this from sky, bbc, RTÉ or cnn.
The guy that died in the Philippines (first outside of China) was 44. Not particularly old. Did he have underlying health issues?
Just a couple of questions that aren’t related to conspiracy.
Let’s get this thread back on track please.

The problem with realising the people off the plane is with this virus you can be contagious before you show symptoms...
After you get better..
Even if your asymptotic you can spreed the virus...
So the should have quarantined the whole plane

zell12 · 02-02-2020 01:02PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Is there anywhere that displays the figures as a graph over time?
If the number of reported or confirmed cases is not growing exponentially then there’s probably nothing to worry about.

From The Lancet

creditcarder · 02-02-2020 01:03PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

It's really funny how anyone on this site who believes climate change is a threat to our collective future is dismissed as an alarmist chicken licken. Then when this disease comes along, a lot of the same posters are flooding the place with evidence free speculation that it's a biological weapon and the end is nigh.

The sky is falling...

I'm a climate change denier and it is actually kind of funny. I am more worried about this even though the climate change could be worse.

Cody montana · 02-02-2020 01:06PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

This demonstrates how prepared Ireland is.

Prepared for what?
There are zero cases.

saabsaab · 02-02-2020 01:12PM

Cody montana wrote: »

And how do you propose a hospital does that?

Multi agency, can't be just the hospital of course. They would need to get a list of potential flights from transport agencies and follow up on those potentially affected.

The best approach would be to quarantine or ban flights to begin with.

If someone says they don't have staffing will they ahve staffing if/when the virus takes off here?

jam_mac_jam · 02-02-2020 01:13PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Prepared for what?
There are zero cases.

So lets not prepare then?

saabsaab · 02-02-2020 01:13PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Prepared for what?
There are zero cases.

Zero known cases as of now. I hope I am wrong but it is unlikely to stay so.

_Whimsical_ · 02-02-2020 01:15PM

Yikes!
Dr on the radio who is in charge of Irelands infectious disease specialist unit in the Mater on the radio right now. He said the plan is that patients with the illness be treated in their local hospital,not a national centre equipped to deal with a highly infectious illness of consequence. He said that the infectious disease specialists were not consulted on this and do not agree with this as best practise. UK are using a dedicated national centre which is best practise.
He also said the patient taken off the plane last night did not come to the national centre in the Mater hospital,which he also didn't agree with. He doesn't know where they went.

He also basically said that communication on what will happen with someone who is infected is completely inadequate at the moment.

He thought that people from the plane should not have been quarantined.

saabsaab · 02-02-2020 01:18PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Yikes!
Dr on the radio who is in charge of Irelands infectious disease specialist unit in the Mater on the radio right now. He said the plan is that patients with the illness be treated in their local hospital,not a national centre equipped to deal with a highly infectious illness of consequence. He said that the infectious disease specialists were not consulted on this and do not agree with this as best practise. UK are using a dedicated national centre which is best practise.
He also said the patient taken off the plane last night did not come to the national centre in the Mater hospital,which he also didn't agree with. He doesn't know where they went.

He also basically said that communication on what will happen with someone who is infected is completely inadequate at the moment.

He thought that people from the plane should not have been quarantined.

That response is incredible! Recipe for disaster here.

Cody montana · 02-02-2020 01:18PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Multi agency, can't be just the hospital of course. They would need to get a list of potential flights from transport agencies and follow up on those potentially affected.

The best approach would be to quarantine or ban flights to begin with.

If someone says they don't have staffing will they ahve staffing if/when the virus takes off here?

The logistics of that would be almost impossible.
The window would be less that 24 hours.
Ban what flights?

odyssey06 · 02-02-2020 01:20PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Prepared for what?
There are zero cases.

Something something stable door...

Cody montana · 02-02-2020 01:21PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

So lets not prepare then?

What do you want them to prepare for though?

givyjoe · 02-02-2020 01:23PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Yikes!
Dr on the radio who is in charge of Irelands infectious disease specialist unit in the Mater on the radio right now. He said the plan is that patients with the illness be treated in their local hospital,not a national centre equipped to deal with a highly infectious illness of consequence. He said that the infectious disease specialists were not consulted on this and do not agree with this as best practise. UK are using a dedicated national centre which is best practise.
He also said the patient taken off the plane last night did not come to the national centre in the Mater hospital,which he also didn't agree with. He doesn't know where they went.

He also basically said that communication on what will happen with someone who is infected is completely inadequate at the moment.

He thought that people from the plane should not have been quarantined.

Astonishing incompetence. I don't get the logic for not quarantining folks til they tested him. What if this guy DOES in fact have it and they have sent a plane load of potentially affected people off on their way.

02-02-2020 01:32PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Astonishing incompetence. I don't get the logic for not quarantining folks til they tested him. What if this guy DOES in fact have it and they have sent a plane load of potentially affected people off on their way.

How do they think people from the airport get to their next destination? Some taxi it, some bus it and some are picked up by relatives. That’s a lot of people that the passengers will come in contact with getting from a to b.

I would have hoped that the contingency plans would have discussed the scenario that has happened last night and that the passengers would have been transported to their locations by private, controlled transfer.

Don’t think that happened though.

02-02-2020 01:33PM

People don't just become infectious after spending time with a sick person. You need to get sick yourself first.

creditcarder · 02-02-2020 01:34PM

I wonder what's going on in the rest of the world? We've been hammered with Greta, that Australian fire, Brexit and now this virus?

Is there anything that is being hidden I wonder? Maybe a bit conspiracy.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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