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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #1892
    auspicious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭auspicious


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Some people on twitter querying why the passengers on the Aeroflot flight have not been temporarily quarantined.

    Fair point.

    Sure it'll be grand...


  • #1893
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    That seems intelligent.


  • #1894
    _Whimsical_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,992 ✭✭✭_Whimsical_


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Some people on twitter querying why the passengers on the Aeroflot flight have not been temporarily quarantined.

    Fair point.

    Well they were told not to interact with the public tonight.

    So presumably they're all walking to some isolated location for the night, no taxis, buses, relations picking them up, no hugs for family and friends, no stopping in the take away to get food on the way home, no chatting to staff in the hotel if theyre on holiday. Nothing at all normal will be happening I'm sure.

    It's just laughable. So much for having a protocol in place.


  • #1895
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,251 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    If that flight landed in Australia, the UK or the US the passengers would have been quarantined.

    Here they just go home with a piece of paper an hour after arriving!


  • #1896
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,842 ✭ [Deleted User]


    If you’re on Facebook- go to page called Laura’s Russian Lifeline.

    She is who took the photos and as of 45 minutes ago was still on the plane. I think it landed just after 9pm.


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  • #1897
    PhantomHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭PhantomHat


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    If that flight landed in Australia, the UK or the US the passengers would have been quarantined.

    Here they just go home with a piece of paper an hour after arriving!
    Yep it's all very Irish. Fingers crossed everyone is ok


  • #1898
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,251 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    If you’re on Facebook- go to page called Laura’s Russian Lifeline.

    She is who took the photos and as of 45 minutes ago was still on the plane. I think it landed just after 9pm.

    Well if they're still on the flight maybe they are considering quarantine?

    I can't imagine simply letting them go on their way is the WHO playbook for flights with suspected cases!?


  • #1899
    Dubh Geannain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    If that flight landed in Australia, the UK or the US the passengers would have been quarantined.

    Here they just go home with a piece of paper an hour after arriving!

    Maybe the paper be used as some kind of mask :0


  • #1900
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,251 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


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  • #1901
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    It's really odd how for the last few days now the number of deaths in China have been almost the exact same as the number discharged from hospital? Literally almost the same number, today 45 deaths, 49 discharges

    This time last night : 259 Deaths and 243 Recovered
    Tonight: Total deaths , 304, total discharges/recoveries, 303


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  • #1902
    auspicious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭auspicious


    Monkeynut wrote: »
    Corona virus does not like Guinness or whiskey in the blood.

    God for give me.

    Sure it'll be grand is just a phrase to describe the usual stereotypical irish attitude - hopeful but lax.
    I don't think the handing out of fliers to passengers potentially exposed to the virus is any way to prevent it's spread. Expecting them to adhere to ' recommendations' to confine themselves is lax. Other countries repatriating citizens from affected China regions are properly implementing quarantine procedures.


  • #1903
    Carol25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Carol25


    wakka12 wrote: »
    It's really odd how for the last few days now the number of deaths in China have been almost the exact same as the number discharged from hospital? Literally almost the same number, today 45 deaths, 49 discharges

    Total deaths , 304, total discharges/recoveries, 303

    It’s called made up figures for your benefit. Does anyone here seriously believe China would effectively shut down their whole country, and Russia would shut their border with China for a seasonal flu type illness....


  • #1904
    babybuilder
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    All they need now is for John Delaney will drop down to the plane and buy everyone a drink. Even Harris for that matter. Great crack!


  • #1905
    babybuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    Still not up on rte.ie


  • #1906
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Number of cases in China has now reached almost 15,000
    With over 2,000 now in serious /critical situation

    Wuhan seems to still be remaining as the absolute epicenter of this all. Only 25% of cases today were outside Wuhan. You would think with how infectious it appears to be, China's other much larger cities would have quickly overtaken Wuhan in numbers of cases.


  • #1907
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,251 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Carol25 wrote: »
    It’s called made up figures for your benefit. Does anyone here seriously believe China would effectively shut down their whole country, and Russia would shut their border with China for a seasonal flu type illness....

    I'm calling escaped bio weapon :pac:

    No really...


  • #1908
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,444 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Still very few deaths in mainland China outside Hubei (10) so that's some positive I guess.


  • #1909
    _Whimsical_
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Number of cases in China has now reached almost 15,000
    With over 2,000 now in serious /critical situation

    Number of reported cases :/


  • #1910
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,251 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    babybuilder wrote: »
    Still not up on rte.ie

    Yes. I'd be interested to know what the story is with the passengers.

    Surely it can't be true they will or have simply left the plane with a leaflet!

    It's observed that 1 person will typically infect just over 2 other people with the virus....and round and round we go.


  • #1911
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,444 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    _Whimsical_ wrote: »
    Number of reported cases :/

    If they are under-reporting number infected that's good news.

    Right now mortality rate outside Hubei in mainland China is 0.2%, its far lower if infected cases are not listed.


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  • #1912
    SeaBreezes
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I'm calling escaped bio weapon :pac:

    No really...

    Reading about the doc running the lab in Wuhan, with all the papers published on bat immunology and SARS/Corona virus, he had SARS as a young man and is coming from a good place. Wants to help humans resist these superbugs.

    My guess is this virus is an accidental escapee.


  • #1913
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    _Whimsical_ wrote: »
    Well they were told not to interact with the public tonight.

    So presumably they're all walking to some isolated location for the night, no taxis, buses, relations picking them up, no hugs for family and friends, no stopping in the take away to get food on the way home, no chatting to staff in the hotel if theyre on holiday. Nothing at all normal will be happening I'm sure.

    It's just laughable. So much for having a protocol in place.


    Its unlikely that if this guy has the virus that all on board have caught it. If they have caught it then it will be a while before they start producing enough viral load to spread it. I would think if the guy tests positive then the HSE may be contacting the passengers.

    Edit: they seem to be keeping them. Maybe the test is quick and when it comes back they can decide what to do with the other passengers.


  • #1914
    wakka12
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    rossie1977 wrote: »
    If they are under-reporting number infected that's good news.

    Right now mortality rate outside Hubei in mainland China is 0.2%, its far lower if infected cases are not listed.

    It's quite puzzling really, because if there are significant numbers of unreported cases outside Wuhan, in other Chinese cities, then the mortality rate of the virus is actually even lower than seasonal flu, maybe even significantly so. But how could a virus as harmless as that ever seriously sicken such a large number of people and cause this number of deaths in one area in just a few weeks? It is a very perplexing situation. I'm sure seasonal flu has never resulted in so many seriously ill people that the Wuhan health infrastructure is pushed to the point of collapse


  • #1915
    NewMan1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭NewMan1982


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Reading about the doc running the lab in Wuhan, with all the papers published on bat immunology and SARS/Corona virus, he had SARS as a young man and is coming from a good place. Wants to help humans resist these superbugs.

    My guess is this virus is an accidental escapee.


    Why can’t it be a natural new virus? Like SARS was, like swine flu and bird flu etc


  • #1916
    sondagefaux
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    PhantomHat wrote: »
    Theres a certain amount of people who do not wish to fully comprehend what is unfolding. Maybe this may be an attempt to calm their own fears.
    I'm very optimistic that this will be dealt with successfully but let us not bury our heads in the sand

    If you had the right ventilation, burying your head in the sand could be a very effective way to avoid infection.


  • #1917
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,251 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Its unlikely that if this guy has the virus that all on board have caught it.

    Going by the average Ro of 2.2 for the virus it's highly probably at least 2 other people will have symptoms develop.

    Those passengers should be quarantined until a diagnosis is confirmed.


  • #1918
    givyjoe
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    rossie1977 wrote: »
    If they are under-reporting number infected that's good news.

    Right now mortality rate outside Hubei in mainland China is 0.2%, its far lower if infected cases are not listed.

    Is that not just a case of them not having it quite as long. Slow death no?


  • #1919
    Atlantic Dawn
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    GDY151


    It's criminal the millions and billions that will be spent on this virus yet it will kill a fraction of what hunger kills each day in the world. I feel the higher uppers fear they will catch it so give it an unlimited bankroll.


  • #1920
    NewMan1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭NewMan1982


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    It's criminal the millions and billions that will be spent on this virus yet it will kill a fraction of what hunger kills each day in the world. I feel the higher uppers fear they will catch it so give it an unlimited bankroll.

    Excellent virtue signalling


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  • #1921
    creditcarder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    wakka12 wrote: »
    It's quite puzzling really, because if there are significant numbers of unreported cases outside Wuhan, in other Chinese cities, then the mortality rate of the virus is actually even lower than seasonal flu, maybe even significantly so. But how could a virus as harmless as that ever sicken such a large number of people and cause that number of deaths in one area in a fortnight? It is a very perplexing situation. I'm sure seasonal flu has never resulted in so many seriously ill people that the Wuhan health infrastructure is pushed to the point of collapse




    It is bizarre tbh. I guess it has a few options.



    1) The flue is not really asymptomatic and just pushes people straigh to the hospital. As in, if you are not a carrier, then you are in trouble.



    2) It's very contagious, even more than we think.



    3) Wuhan is fudging the numbers for if international organisations come sniffing around after it calms down because they were ignoring it for a month (or more) As in, some of these people were actually admitted a while ago.



    4) Everything out of china is bull**** :P


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