Squeezed middle

Slanty · 01-02-2020 02:19AM #1

Flicking through my payslip of the last month I seen I paid over 1k in tax.

Now I worked a load of over time before you lacerate me on my net earnings but it got me thinking what exactly do I benefit for my contribution?

Road tax for the roads,
Property tax for my house,
I pay for my health insurance,

So I’m left wondering what exactly do I pay 1k tax a week for?

aaakev · 01-02-2020 02:21AM

A week or a month? I paid over 40k tax last year and get **** all too.... its life

Nijmegen · 01-02-2020 02:23AM

https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/

There you go...

Slanty · 01-02-2020 02:24AM

A month. If you paid 40k in tax in a year then I don’t think your part of the squeezed middle ðŸ˜‚

Big Gerry · 01-02-2020 02:26AM

Slanty wrote: »

Flicking through my payslip of the last month I seen I paid over 1k in tax.

Now I worked a load of over time before you lacerate me on my net earnings but it got me thinking what exactly do I benefit for my contribution?

Road tax for the roads,
Property tax for my house,
I pay for my health insurance,

So I’m left wondering what exactly do I pay 1k tax a week for?

You might be better going on the dole and getting a free house.

ILoveYourVibes · 01-02-2020 02:28AM

Slanty wrote: »

Flicking through my payslip of the last month I seen I paid over 1k in tax.

Now I worked a load of over time before you lacerate me on my net earnings but it got me thinking what exactly do I benefit for my contribution?

Road tax for the roads,
Property tax for my house,
I pay for my health insurance,

So I’m left wondering what exactly do I pay 1k tax a week for?

Council workers nurses drs teachers politicians etc.

16% of the budget goes on servicing the national debt. YEAH remember the crash ...that thing ..that is more than what is spent on welfare education housing.

Yeah servicing our debt caused by bankers and the property tycoons costs us more than what we spent on housing or welfare.

NOICE.

A worker earning A minimum wage of €18,000 per year
Someone earning this amount will see €578.80 go in taxes

Servicing Ireland’s debt will take €75.60 of their taxes

Education will take €83.20

The Garda Siochána will take €12.75

Someone earning €36,000 a year
Someone earning this amount will see €7,850.80 go in taxes

Servicing Ireland’s debt will take €1,025.47 of their taxes

Education will take €1,128.47

The Garda Siochana will take €172.95

Someone earning €55,000 a year
Someone earning this amount will see €17,730.80 go in taxes

Servicing Ireland’s debt will take €2,316.00

Education will take €2,548.63

The Garda Siochana will take €390.61

How about we stop negotiating with the EU about our debt and just stop paying it leo!

endacl · 01-02-2020 02:29AM

Slanty wrote: »

Road tax for the roads

If I can offer a measure of consolation, you don’t pay this one. Nobody does.

Slanty · 01-02-2020 02:30AM

Big Gerry wrote: »

You might be better going on the dole and getting a free house.

No I wouldn’t, Ive my head just above the water but it got me thinking I’m paying more tax than my mortgage + car insurance + house insurance in one month.

I’m just asking what am i paying 1k a month for?

ILoveYourVibes · 01-02-2020 02:32AM

Nijmegen wrote: »

https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/

There you go...

YEAH LIKE I BELIEVE THEIR FIGURES.

endacl · 01-02-2020 02:33AM

The right to have a whinge. Same as the rest of us, once you vote.

Dave_The_Sheep · 01-02-2020 02:33AM

Slanty wrote: »

Flicking through my payslip of the last month I seen I paid over 1k in tax.

...

So I’m left wondering what exactly do I pay 1k tax a week for?

Two things.

1. Is it a week, or a month. Because if you're paying 1k tax a week, you are not part of the 'squeezed middle'.

2. What you pay for, includes but not exclusive to:
- Roads (this includes tourism and sports too) and previously, water taxes.
- The various hospitals and other state funded health institutions you and others visit. Including subsidisation of drugs that you get form the pharmacy.
- Education for your kids, or if you don't have any, other people's kids who will be financing the country when you're drawing the state pension is X years. Universities too.
- National debt.
- Government ****. Local council budgets. The IDA. Social housing. Etc.
- Ireland's farmers, fishermen and otherwise food producing industries.
- The Gardai, the courts and prisons.
- Social protections for everyone, including yourself if you find yourself out of work, and also the elderly. Other than "dole scroungers" this also includes the disabled, child benefit and those otherwise unable to work, etc.

endacl · 01-02-2020 02:33AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

YEAH LIKE I BELIEVE THEIR FIGURES.

Is your caps lock stuck?

ILoveYourVibes · 01-02-2020 02:36AM

Slanty wrote: »

No I wouldn’t, Ive my head just above the water but it got me thinking I’m paying more tax than my mortgage + car insurance + house insurance in one month.

I’m just asking what am i paying 1k a month for?

In order of the amounts you pay ...i mean the biggest chunk
Social protection.
EU GOVT DEBT. (YEAH ITS THE SECOND BIGGEST CHUNK OF YOUR TAXES THAT GOES TO THAT AFTER WELFARE LEO DOESN'T CHIRP ABOUT THAT WHEN HE GOES ON A DOLE FRAUD RANT DOES HE?)
Education.
Housing.
Guards.

ILoveYourVibes · 01-02-2020 02:36AM

endacl wrote: »

Is your caps lock stuck?

No.

Idbatterim · 01-02-2020 02:38AM

Slanty wrote: »

Flicking through my payslip of the last month I seen I paid over 1k in tax.

Now I worked a load of over time before you lacerate me on my net earnings but it got me thinking what exactly do I benefit for my contribution?

Road tax for the roads,
Property tax for my house,
I pay for my health insurance,

So I’m left wondering what exactly do I pay 1k tax a week for?

You get nothing. It’s going to the other half. Those who get welfare every week , free house , free travel , free medical card etc ...

ILoveYourVibes · 01-02-2020 02:39AM

Our national debt is unbelievably high. Some economists say our DEPT to GDP ration is 106%.

The govt claims its 63% of GDP.

Idbatterim · 01-02-2020 02:39AM

Big Gerry wrote: »

You might be better going on the dole and getting a free house.

You can arrange this very quickly if you have a vagina and prepared to pop out a kid or two. You’ll have a “4eva” home in no time. As a male ? Lol !

aaakev · 01-02-2020 02:39AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

You get nothing. It’s going to the other half. Those who get welfare every week , free house , free travel , free medical card etc ...

The bastards

ILoveYourVibes · 01-02-2020 02:40AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

You get nothing. It’s going to the other half. Those who get welfare every week , free house , free travel , free medical card etc ...

You are so naive.

We spend more on EU dept in our budget than we spend on housing.

Larbre34 · 01-02-2020 02:40AM

Slanty wrote: »

So I’m left wondering what exactly do I pay 1k tax a week for?

Public housing, swimming pools, parks, Luas lines, lampposts, mountain trails, historical monuments, the CAP, schools, universities, buses and trains, clearing of snow, airport runways, the old age pension, the Guards, the Defence Forces, scientific research, the children's allowance, free travel for the OAPs (thanks Charlie), public arts, animal control, revenue and customs, forests, the OPW, the National Museum, sign posts, broadband expansion, air traffic control, small business supports, and the health care of those who can't afford insurance.

Understand what a society is now, or will I get Billy Joel to sing a song about it?

Slanty · 01-02-2020 02:41AM

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Two things.

1. Is it a week, or a month. Because if you're paying 1k tax a week, you are not part of the 'squeezed middle'.

2. What you pay for, includes but not exclusive to:
- Roads (this includes tourism and sports too) and previously, water taxes.
- The various hospitals and other state funded health institutions you and others visit. Including subsidisation of drugs that you get form the pharmacy.
- Education for your kids, or if you don't have any, other people's kids who will be financing the country when you're drawing the state pension is X years. Universities too.
- National debt.
- Government ****. Local council budgets. The IDA. Social housing. Etc.
- Ireland's farmers, fishermen and otherwise food producing industries.
- The Gardai, the courts and prisons.
- Social protections for everyone, including yourself if you find yourself out of work, and also the elderly. Other than "dole scroungers" this also includes the disabled, child benefit and those otherwise unable to work, etc.

It’s a month Dave sorry.
You said about roads but that’s not part of my tax. I pay separate for that.
You say hospitals?I have health insurance.

Yes education is correct and important and I’m strongly behind the guards but there is no way I should be contributing more to them than my mortgage?

Dave_The_Sheep · 01-02-2020 02:42AM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Understand what a society is now, or will I get Billy Joel to sing a song about it?

You could, but people would probably complain about freeloading songwriters not working an honest day in their lives. Etc. Etc.

ILoveYourVibes · 01-02-2020 02:43AM

Slanty wrote: »

It’s a month Dave sorry.
You said about roads but that’s not part of my tax. I pay separate for that.
You say hospitals?I have health insurance.

Yes education is correct and important and I’m strongly behind the guards but there is no way I should be contributing more to them than my mortgage?

What about the 16% of your tax that went to bailing out banks? How do you feel about that?

Idbatterim · 01-02-2020 02:43AM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Public housing, swimming pools, parks, Luas lines, lampposts, mountain trails, historical monuments, the CAP, schools, universities, buses and trains, clearing of snow, airport runways, the old age pension, the Guards, the Defence Forces, scientific research, the children's allowance, free travel for the OAPs (thanks Charlie), public arts, animal control, revenue and customs, forests, the OPW, the National Museum, sign posts, broadband expansion, air traffic control, small business supports, and the health care of those who can't afford insurance.

Understand what a society is now, or will I get Billy Joel to sing a song about it?

Yes. People paying nothing in get this too ! The answer Op is younger nothing others don’t. In fact , you rule yourself out of a host of freebies. Because once you’re a worker in this country , you’re the wolf of Wall Street. Rich enough to have half your income confiscated over 35,000!

aaakev · 01-02-2020 02:43AM

Slanty wrote: »

It’s a month Dave sorry.
You said about roads but that’s not part of my tax. I pay separate for that.
You say hospitals?I have health insurance.

Yes education is correct and important and I’m strongly behind the guards but there is no way I should be contributing more to them than my mortgage?

It's not just them though, its everything in the country, every public service

ILoveYourVibes · 01-02-2020 02:43AM

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

You could, but people would probably complain about freeloading songwriters not working an honest day in their lives. Etc. Etc.

Yeah they have **** taste in music these days.

Nijmegen · 01-02-2020 02:44AM

Slanty wrote: »

No I wouldn’t, Ive my head just above the water but it got me thinking I’m paying more tax than my mortgage + car insurance + house insurance in one month.

I’m just asking what am i paying 1k a month for?

€264 on social protection, the largest item of which is the old age pension (€104) and the next largest disability supports (€58).

€227 on health.

€139 on education.

€60 on servicing the national debt, and €43 for membership of the EU - though we get a lot of that back in money they spend here.

€37 on justice.

€33 on transport.

€31 on housing.

€16 on water.

€13 on defence.

I could go on.... but basically you get a society.

Idbatterim · 01-02-2020 02:45AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

What about the 16% of your tax that went to bailing out banks? How do you feel about that?

Morally I don’t agree with bailout of Anglo etc. what did you propose? Close all the banks ? Tell Merkel and trichet to turn off the gravy train? Don’t ever put ourselves in that position again , that’s the lesson there !

ILoveYourVibes · 01-02-2020 02:46AM

Nijmegen wrote: »

€264 on social protection, the largest item of which is the old age pension (€104) and the next largest disability supports (€58).

€227 on health.

€139 on education.

€60 on servicing the national debt, and €43 for membership of the EU - though we get a lot of that back in money they spend here.

€37 on justice.

€33 on transport.

€31 on housing.

€16 on water.

€13 on defence.

I could go on.... but basically you get a society.

You are missing a very important fact.

16 % AT LEAST if not more goes on EU banking dept from the bailout. That means bankers are taking your taxes.

Its something the tax payer needs to be made aware of.

Its more than housing its more than education.

Its nothing to do with EU membership. And we get nothing from the fact that our dept is totally out of whack with our GDP.

Dave_The_Sheep · 01-02-2020 02:46AM

Slanty wrote: »

You said about roads but that’s not part of my tax. I pay separate for that.
You say hospitals?I have health insurance.

Roads: It's part of your tax and motor tax doesn't just include roads. So it's not seperate. That doesn't even take into account that it's not just roads that are covered by it.

Your health insurance doesn't pay for hospitals. It pays some of your coverage when you go into hospital, and that's mostly private hospitals. It doesn't pay even remotely all of:
- the building of them
- the maintenance of them
- their staff payments, not just consultants, etc.
- any drug subsidies (also included in what you pay for taxes for)

And that's me as a complete ignorant. Someone more knowledeagble of the health system could give you a dozen more things your health insurance doesn't pay for. Your health insurance generally speaking pays for one thing: your health insurer.

Nijmegen · 01-02-2020 02:48AM

On the national debt, the net cost of the bank bailouts when we sell down our positions, make a profit on NAMA etc, is gonna be about €30bn we poured in. For context, one year during the recession we ran a €26bn deficit paying for day to day services. Our debt of €201bn is mostly money we spent because we didn’t cut government spending enough to balance the books.

And as for the money we lay out to the EU, (a) I think it’s value for money, (b) particularly when you consider we get a ton of it back.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland-s-205bn-debt-so-just-who-is-to-blame-1.3947828

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