Is it possible to avoid illegal drug use?

Sardonicat · 27-01-2020 11:56AM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its a gateway drug. No junkie ever woke up one morning and said "lets start heroin". Its always the smoke that leads to the pill that leads to needle. You can monitor their progress like rats. There are no old timer junkies

Yet there are plenty old timer cannabis smokers who never touched any other drug

pure.conya · 27-01-2020 11:57AM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

yes but they were unregulated before they copped on. I am always fascinated why junkies go to great lengths to pursue danger chemicals.

ever been house riding?

https://binged.it/2O3cNSe

TheAnalyst_ · 27-01-2020 12:03PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its a gateway drug. No junkie ever woke up one morning and said "lets start heroin". Its always the smoke that leads to the pill that leads to needle. You can monitor their progress like rats. There are no old timer junkies

Doing heroin doesn't make you a junkie. Same as cocaine, some people can keep it on a low level whilst others it completey takes over their mind and life.

begbysback · 27-01-2020 12:03PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

different arguement

Actually it’s not, it’s a perception of what is right and what is wrong in society, what’s legal and what’s illegal, what’s acceptable and what’s unacceptable, and how these constructs can change over time.

When I was young we used to slag people by calling them names such as fag, or gay. This perception didn’t originate from within myself, it was passed on to me from others. Same as your beliefs of drug addicts and drugs, they obviously come from newspaper articles and heresy.

pure.conya · 27-01-2020 12:03PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its a gateway drug. No junkie ever woke up one morning and said "lets start heroin". Its always the smoke that leads to the pill that leads to needle. You can monitor their progress like rats. There are no old timer junkies

i think you'll find that alcohol is the number 1 gateway drug, three times the amount of people reported it as being the first drug they ever used

prohibition is the number 1 killer of heroin junkies btw

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-01-2020 12:04PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its a gateway drug. No junkie ever woke up one morning and said "lets start heroin". Its always the smoke that leads to the pill that leads to needle. You can monitor their progress like rats. There are no old timer junkies

IN that case, we're back to the "ban everything" mentality, no?

27-01-2020 12:08PM

pure.conya wrote: »

cannabis is a winner drug for those suffering from chronic pain, the most severe side effects of cannabis are the munchies or needing to lie down for a nap

Cannabis has performed poorly in chronic pain trials. Just about met the treshold for clinical benefit. That's why its not included in the new medicial marijuana access scheme.

farmchoice · 27-01-2020 12:11PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its a gateway drug. No junkie ever woke up one morning and said "lets start heroin". Its always the smoke that leads to the pill that leads to needle. You can monitor their progress like rats. There are no old timer junkies

small point but in Ireland there were lots of people like this in the 80's possibly the only place in the worlds where it happened.
the heroin epidemic of the early 80's in Dublin saw lots of kids take heroin as their first drug. there really was no culture of drug taking before that, in working class areas of the inner city even smoking cannabis was rare enough and then herion came along and it just exploded.
not like that anymore.

Hoop66 · 27-01-2020 12:14PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its a gateway drug. No junkie ever woke up one morning and said "lets start heroin". Its always the smoke that leads to the pill that leads to needle. You can monitor their progress like rats. There are no old timer junkies

Massive generalisation. I suspect you just throw out tired tropes like this to wind people up.

Ash.J.Williams · 27-01-2020 12:18PM

the interesting thing about our current cocaine epidemic is that it seems to be affecting men and women that have been until now outside the usual drug user group, and age demographic, people who didn't take drugs in their youth seem to have a 2nd life now in their 30's and forties...i find it hilarious to be honest as these people (in my village the sports clubs gaa, soccer etc) were on a serious high horse when i was a youth..

man i did laugh when half the senior team and management were caught in the jax in the local gaa pub

also many bands i know said sporting dinner dances are now awash with cocaine and the people involved are a new demographic!

pure.conya · 27-01-2020 12:20PM

jh79 wrote: »

Cannabis has performed poorly in chronic pain trials. Just about met the treshold for clinical benefit. That's why its not included in the new medicial marijuana access scheme.

its more to do with the opiate lobby than anything else

27-01-2020 12:22PM

pure.conya wrote: »

its more to do with the opiate lobby than anything else

How so?

lawred2 · 27-01-2020 12:23PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I was thinking about this recently.
When I was in secondary school in the 2000's there was clearly a few who were out of it at times but in general there wasn't man into drugs.
When I went to college there was more of it on the go within certain groups but I could easily avoid it and still go to clubs, house parties, etc.
I have friends my age in there twenties and thirties who have never taken drugs and some would really enjoy a night out.
However some people refuse to believe a grown adult could live without taking drugs in there life.

Is it possible to avoid illegal drug use?

fairly easy yeah

pure.conya · 27-01-2020 12:38PM

jh79 wrote: »

How so?

profit

27-01-2020 12:39PM

pure.conya wrote: »

its more to do with the opiate lobby than anything else

This is taken from the HPRA review;

"The data generally suggested an improvement in pain associated with cannabis products. When these clinical trials are combined, the overall estimate of benefit is moderate and there is no effect on patient’s self reported quality of life"

and

"In addition, cannabis products were associated with a greater risk of side effects, including serious side effects, when compared to other pain medicines."

27-01-2020 12:40PM

Graces7 wrote: »

As I said very clearly it is illegal. Period. End of..

Don't know why you are all still debating this. Graces7 said "End of".

27-01-2020 12:40PM

pure.conya wrote: »

profit

See my post above, evidence suggests they are of no benefit in the first place.

TheAnalyst_ · 27-01-2020 01:24PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

the interesting thing about our current cocaine epidemic is that it seems to be affecting men and women that have been until now outside the usual drug user group, and age demographic, people who didn't take drugs in their youth seem to have a 2nd life now in their 30's and forties...i find it hilarious to be honest as these people (in my village the sports clubs gaa, soccer etc) were on a serious high horse when i was a youth..

man i did laugh when half the senior team and management were caught in the jax in the local gaa pub

also many bands i know said sporting dinner dances are now awash with cocaine and the people involved are a new demographic!

Good observation. It's like tatoos or the internet.
Slightly niche interests 20 years ago but now you have this vast middleground of people that are doing it with disastorous results usually.
Drug use has been subsumed into the wider drinking culture when they are best kept seperate imo.

pure.conya · 27-01-2020 01:36PM

jh79 wrote: »

This is taken from the HPRA review;

"The data generally suggested an improvement in pain associated with cannabis products. When these clinical trials are combined, the overall estimate of benefit is moderate and there is no effect on patient’s self reported quality of life"

and

"In addition, cannabis products were associated with a greater risk of side effects, including serious side effects, when compared to other pain medicines."

well the second statement is absolutely crazy when you think of how many die (pretty serious side effect) from prescription opiate use each year, compared to nobody ever dying from cannabis use

https://www.israel-cannabis.com/2018/06/12/medical-cannabis-and-pain/

pure.conya · 27-01-2020 01:38PM

jh79 wrote: »

See my post above, evidence suggests they are of no benefit in the first place.

https://www.israel-cannabis.com/2018/06/12/medical-cannabis-and-pain/

Arrival · 27-01-2020 01:39PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its a gateway drug. No junkie ever woke up one morning and said "lets start heroin". Its always the smoke that leads to the pill that leads to needle. You can monitor their progress like rats. There are no old timer junkies

Actually opiate addiction is a large contributor to people getting into heroin, people get legitimate subscriptions and become hooked and when their subscriptions run out and they can't source it elsewhere heroin becomes a viable alternative

JohnnyFlash · 27-01-2020 01:48PM

pure.conya wrote: »

well the second statement is absolutely crazy when you think of how many die (pretty serious side effect) from prescription opiate use each year, compared to nobody ever dying from cannabis use

https://www.israel-cannabis.com/2018/06/12/medical-cannabis-and-pain/

Cannabis is a dirty, dangerous, and depressing drug that is causing an absolute epidemic of psychosis and other mental health issues amongst young men in particular.

Prof Jim Lacey was the medical director of St Patrick’s hospital for many years and said the enormous numbers of young men presenting with life-changing mental health issues as a result of smoking strong cannabis was like nothing he has witnessed in his 35 years as the foremost psychiatrist in the country.

TRADES SUPPLY AVAILABLE · 27-01-2020 01:50PM

Some stats' suggest 90% (ave) of humanoids on earth believe in some form of religion, so that tells me, most are followers and easily led, it's just part of our mental make up and the way we are programmed from the entrance gate into life at the the beginning. It's not hard to coerce someone to feel they have a need to conform and be part of. Most "followers" do it naturally. Followers feel the need to impress hence "Pack Mentality" in all forms. I have been surrounded by drugs on a very high level for the best part of 30 years, due to my work, I have never, or ever felt the need to partake in the consumption of drugs. I do not conform to impress, I pride myself on being quite independent. I have absolutely no issue or judge people who do partake, I just hope that they are okay!! I personally wouldn't trust what's in "some" of them. SO YES IT IS POSSIBLE TO AVOID "HARMFUL" DRUGS. If you are in control of your own mind and do not have addictive personality traits.

27-01-2020 01:53PM

pure.conya wrote: »

well the second statement is absolutely crazy when you think of how many die (pretty serious side effect) from prescription opiate use each year, compared to nobody ever dying from cannabis use

https://www.israel-cannabis.com/2018/06/12/medical-cannabis-and-pain/

That link even says it is only anecdotal evidence which is the lowest standard of scientific evidence.

pure.conya · 27-01-2020 02:00PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Cannabis is a dirty, dangerous, and depressing drug that is causing an absolute epidemic of psychosis and other mental health issues amongst young men in particular.

Prof Jim Lacey was the medical director of St Patrick’s hospital for many years and said the enormous numbers of young men presenting with life-changing mental health issues as a result of smoking strong cannabis was like nothing he has witnessed in his 35 years as the foremost psychiatrist in the country.

I'm convinced that if this enormous issue was studied properly and professionally then there is likely to be a lot of other factors at play here and that the smoking of cannabis alone is not the factor we need to be most worried about

prof Jim Lucey also states that there's been a 25% increase in suicides last year. There is also a new type of person at risk – the driven male entrepreneur. Lucey said that we are seeing the “terribly morbid outcome of a misplaced sense of responsibility”, and men “condemning themselves to death” because of financial failure. maybe we should prohibit entrepreneurship?

how about examining the demography of the young men presenting with life changing mental health issues "as a result of smoking cannabis", taking into consideration their upbringing, level of education and skill sets obtained during and after they finish school, their CV and general opportunities they've taken up or are in the process of starting etc.

pure.conya · 27-01-2020 02:03PM

jh79 wrote: »

That link even says it is only anecdotal evidence which is the lowest standard of scientific evidence.

did you watch the video?

positive anecdotal evidence is why there are real tests taking place in Berkeley and other universities/institutions

CrankyHaus · 27-01-2020 02:09PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Cannabis is a dirty, dangerous, and depressing drug that is causing an absolute epidemic of psychosis and other mental health issues amongst young men in particular.

Prof Jim Lacey was the medical director of St Patrick’s hospital for many years and said the enormous numbers of young men presenting with life-changing mental health issues as a result of smoking strong cannabis was like nothing he has witnessed in his 35 years as the foremost psychiatrist in the country.

Cannabis is associated with serious psychiatric issues, although causation is more complex than "smoke weed, go mental". However legalisation would best reduce the harm caused by it.

In prohibition people drank rotgut and other strong liquor of dubious quality because that was the most efficient way to produce, smuggle and sell a controlled substance. Nowadays people drink light beers and wine.

Cannabis would probably go the same way as a legalised industry, with an industry focus on lighter, less harmful strains.

Continuing prohibition of cannabis won't stop vast amounts of people from consuming it, it will just stop them from consuming it more safely.

27-01-2020 02:10PM

pure.conya wrote: »

did you watch the video?

positive anecdotal evidence is why there are real tests taking place in Berkeley and other universities/institutions

And until we see results from them studies all we can says is to date the evidence for its use in chronic pain is weak.

pure.conya · 27-01-2020 02:28PM

jh79 wrote: »

And until we see results from them studies all we can says is to date the evidence for its use in chronic pain is weak.

no, we'll continue to ignore centuries of evidence that the cannabis plant was used for treatment of pain while awaiting a new trial these days that isnt influenced by big pharma or some other lobby group

27-01-2020 02:40PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Cannabis is a dirty, dangerous, and depressing drug that is causing an absolute epidemic of psychosis and other mental health issues amongst young men in particular.

Prof Jim Lacey was the medical director of St Patrick’s hospital for many years and said the enormous numbers of young men presenting with life-changing mental health issues as a result of smoking strong cannabis was like nothing he has witnessed in his 35 years as the foremost psychiatrist in the country.

You're absolutely right. It desperately needs to be legalised and regulated. The standard stuff on the street right now is far too strong.

Is it possible to avoid illegal drug use?

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