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General Election and Government Formation Megathread (see post #1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I note that Arlene Foster is appearing on The Late Late this Friday. Sinn Fein people irate about it.

    I would have thought this would do favours for Sinn Fein as she is so unpopular here.

    I really don't understand what Sinn Fein's problem is.

    Surely they will expect the Irish people to realise what a horrible person Arlene Foster is and how they were right about her all along. I mean they weren't making it up, were they?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Agreed.It's condescending claptrap to suggest that people outside the M50 don't care about climate change.Farmers are very much affected by the change in weather patterns with increased extreme events and unpredictability.

    Now does that mean that the Greens will have a good election in rural Ireland...probably not this time.They have quite a bit of policy development to do around a new vision for agriculture and rural development...but that's not to say the issues don't matter to people.

    agreed
    and we even have a farm - +90 acres. but we don't farm it anymore. its not viable. we sell the silage and hay and lease some of it to other farmers who are short of grass during the winter

    a few years of the greens in power might actually get people thinking about farming, where our food comes from - local is better, and the things that farmers can contribute to the country eg imagine if every farm building room was covered in solar panels? it could hugely cut our dependence on fossil fuels for energy production

    imagine villages and towns where people actually get to live and work locally and not face into long commutes. towns and villages not designed around the car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    McMurphy wrote: »
    That wouldn't be balance though, balance would be getting a family member of a murder victim as a result of loyalists/RUC collusion to describe their own experience of events and why Mr Kelly (Fosters father) could have been viewed as a more than legitimate target to the provos.


    It is not possible to describe how far from normality a mentality is, that considered an RUC reservist or a school bus to be legitimate targets.

    To even conceive that they might be viewed as "more than legitimate" as you are doing, is mind-boggling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I really don't understand what Sinn Fein's problem is.

    Surely they will expect the Irish people to realise what a horrible person Arlene Foster is and how they were right about her all along. I mean they weren't making it up, were they?


    What is there to make up ?
    Foster and her party have never even attempted to hide their disdain for the Republic or the Northern Ireland nationalist community.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Don't be too hard on RTE, sure they are only fulfilling their public broadcasting commitments ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,573 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    charlie14 wrote: »
    What is there to make up ?
    Foster and her party have never even attempted to hide their disdain for the Republic or the Northern Ireland nationalist community.

    She's as likely to have a go at FG as she is SF.

    It's just a wrong decision to make in the eye of an election imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    She's as likely to have a go at FG as she is SF.

    It's just a wrong decision to make in the eye of an election imo.

    Isn't Coveneys brother fairly senior in RTE?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,030 ✭✭✭golfball37


    Isn't Coveneys brother fairly senior in RTE?

    Someone said on another thread he’s in overall charge of the election coverage


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Dobbo will be doing them. Leo up first.
    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1220784127672307712

    No doubt ending with an easy one for Micheal at the end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,861 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I really don't understand what Sinn Fein's problem is.

    Surely they will expect the Irish people to realise what a horrible person Arlene Foster is and how they were right about her all along. I mean they weren't making it up, were they?

    Because SF like an easy ride and no one to ever question or comment on them in any negative light- it’s why they feast on social media as it’s an echo chamber of oneness that they can control. Their cheerleaders are semi-fanatical types with far too much time on their hands with matching chips on both shoulders about just about everything in ireland.
    There’s only every one story (usually bad) and one side of the story with SF and woe be tied anyone that dares criticise


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    road_high wrote: »
    Because SF like an easy ride and no one to ever question or comment on them in any negative light- it’s why they feast on social media as it’s an echo chamber of oneness that they can control. Their cheerleaders are semi-fanatical types with far too much time on their hands with matching chips on both shoulders about just about everything in ireland.
    There’s only every one story (usually bad) and one side of the story with SF and woe be tied anyone that dares criticise


    These largely unexplained poll ratings is giving the Sinn Fein supporters added enthusiasm at the moment.

    No campaign is ever won online, especially in Ireland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    These largely unexplained poll ratings is giving the Sinn Fein supporters added enthusiasm at the moment.

    No campaign is ever won online, especially in Ireland.


    What do you mean by "largely unexplained poll ratings"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,433 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Latest polls have Sinn Fein neck and neck with FG. Is this accurate?

    Based on odds for every constituency Paddy Power has FF winning mid 50 seats and SF low 20s


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,654 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    It wouldn't surprise me to see FF use them in a confidence and supply arrangement.

    Even though MM said very firmly in the first debate he definitely wouldn't be going into power with them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Of course it would be part of the conversation. In particular, as a 7yr old child witnessing her father on all fours in front of her bleeding from the head after having been shot by the IRA - it was formative in bringing Foster into politics.

    How could you possibly have a general interview with Foster where that topic was off the table.


    And that is why this interview should not take place in the middle of a general election.
    It is accepted that rivals parties to SF use the IRA/troubles narrative to increase their own support and deny SF legitimacy as a legal political party in our part of Ireland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    These largely unexplained poll ratings is giving the Sinn Fein supporters added enthusiasm at the moment.

    No campaign is ever won online, especially in Ireland.


    Recent UK election is proof of that (well, twitter anyway)
    Going by Twitter, Labour were cantering to an overall majority.


    I do believe the Brexit ref was but that's for another thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Even though MM said very firmly in the first debate he definitely wouldn't be going into power with them?

    Confidence and supply arrangement isn’t going into power with them.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    What do you mean by "largely unexplained poll ratings"?


    If one looks at the increase in SF support it comes mainly from women and younger voters 18 to 34. The increase in SF support among these 2 groups is matched by a corresponding decrease in support for independents. Come Election Day I would predict an increase in support for independents among these 2 groups and a corresponding decrease in support for SF.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,861 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    What do you mean by "largely unexplained poll ratings"?

    There is absolutely no realistic policy platform behind any of it. These people have zero track record of achievement apart from stamping their feet in the Dáil when someone questions them. A portion of The Irish electorate badly need a bit of SF style government- I can guarantee pension ages will be the least of their worries if they ever let the likes of Pearce Doherty anywhere near the state finances


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,861 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    And that is why this interview should not take place in the middle of a general election.
    It is accepted that rivals parties to SF use the IRA/troubles narrative to increase their own support and deny SF legitimacy as a legal political party in our part of Ireland.

    And why shouldn’t we hear the truth about SF? Are we to only hear the “good” bits? Too many people living in a SF social media bubble but in the real world it’s right every part of this party is examined and scrutinised with a fine tooth comb.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    road_high wrote: »
    And why shouldn’t we hear the truth about SF? Are we to only hear the “good” bits? Too many people living in a SF social media bubble but in the real world it’s right every part of this party is examined and scrutinised with a fine tooth comb.


    No problem hearing Arlene's story but RTE have a duty not to do anything that may influence the election outcome.
    For instance, I would not be happy if they broadcast an interview with the families and survivors of Bloody Sunday during an election campaign as that could possibly increase SF's vote.
    Or interviewing the many people whose loved ones killed themselves due to the effect the FF and the Greens had on our people 2007-2011 and subsequent years.



    Do you see?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    No problem hearing Arlene's story but RTE have a duty not to do anything that may influence the election outcome.
    For instance, I would not be happy if they broadcast an interview with the families and survivors of Bloody Sunday during an election campaign as that could possibly increase SF's vote.
    Or interviewing the many people whose loved ones killed themselves due to the effect the FF and the Greens had on our people 2007-2011 and subsequent years.



    Do you see?

    Debate is good. Debate about what kind of a country we want and what lies at the heart of the political parties who seek to shape our future is entirely appropriate. Never more so than during an election campaign. Let’s hear the people of this island discuss the consequences of the policies of politic parties. SF are well able to defend any position that would appear to be indefensible to other parties and politicians. FF and FG are well able to defend those hurt by their policies also.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Confidence and supply arrangement isn’t going into power with them.

    What is in it for SF though? Policy wise they are actual opposition. The main difference between FF and FG is that one of them is slightly more urban, richer and younger. Why would SF allow FG to position themselves as true opposition while they would be propping up the party which isn't prepared to let them anywhere near the cabinet table.

    Confidence and supply is complete nonsense anyway. It worked when Brexit was an issue (it still is but in this phase Irish government doesn't have the same say) but it won't work once the common outside threat is gone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Debate is good. Debate about what kind of a country we want and what lies at the heart of the political parties who seek to shape our future is entirely appropriate. Never more so than during an election campaign. Let’s hear the people of this island discuss the consequences of the policies of politic parties. SF are well able to defend any position that would appear to be indefensible to other parties and politicians. FF and FG are well able to defend those hurt by their policies also.


    That isn't the point at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    No problem hearing Arlene's story but RTE have a duty not to do anything that may influence the election outcome.
    For instance, I would not be happy if they broadcast an interview with the families and survivors of Bloody Sunday during an election campaign as that could possibly increase SF's vote.
    Or interviewing the many people whose loved ones killed themselves due to the effect the FF and the Greens had on our people 2007-2011 and subsequent years.



    Do you see?
    This is nonsense.

    By that measure they would be suppressing reports of overspend at the Children's hospital or homeless figures until after the election.

    Are the people of Ireland not to be trusted with the truth?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    road_high wrote: »
    SF are completely paranoid. How do you even know Foster will be talking about them? They need to get a grip and realise not every conversation is about them- regardless of how they’d like to control dialogue and criticism. A scary prospect for freedom of expression if and when they get into power

    As far as I am aware SF have not made any statement or complaint regarding Arlene's scheduled appearance so your claim of paranoia and suppression of free speech from the party is utter drivel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Even if they were minded to, making an official complaint would have a high risk of backfiring.

    Their online supporters on this platform and others are very active in pushing the 'RTE are biased against Sinn Fein' narrative.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,573 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It would be funny if she said something that landed Leo or Martin in it -
    like she was promised that the RIC would be commemorated, or that Michael would shore up the SDLP to counteract SF.

    There'd be some uproar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    It would be funny if she said something that landed Leo or Martin in it -
    like she was promised that the RIC would be commemorated, or that Michael would shore up the SDLP to counteract SF.

    There'd be some uproar.

    She may well do that.
    She's on on the occasion of Brexit night, so she might well be critical of the government's treatment of NI in the Brexit negotiations.

    Let her say what she likes and let the cards fall where they may.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,144 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    They've collapsed here in Meath. They plummeted from 8 councillors to 3, and fell from 18% to 10% 1st preferences. The fact that Peadar Toibin is by far Aontu's best hope of getting a seat doesn't help either.


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