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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • #482
    thecretinhop
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    five Million Potential Carriers Have Left Wuhan As Coronavirus Appears To Mutate Into "More Transmissable" Form says mayor. Grim news


  • #483
    Bubbaclaus
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    The hysteria in this thread and on social media really is hilarious.


  • #484
    VinLieger
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    scamalert wrote: »
    thats why i said i try to ignore loonie bins and tea leaf readers, theres over half a mill people dying of flu each year dont see that mentioned and plastered on the news each day, for something that can be easily managed.

    Those people who die from flu are in the vast majority part of at risk groups such as the elderly or immuno compromised.
    So little is known about the new wuhan coronavirus that nobody can say for certain what the actual death percentage rate is yet partly due to its incubation period but also because its hard to fully trust the chiness numbers, but the 14 day incubation period makes it very serious as it can spread easily and undetected so if the death percentage is higher than say sars at 10% or even heaven forbid as high as something like mers at 35% then alot of people are going to die.


  • #485
    creditcarder
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    Interesting article



    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/26/how-coronavirus-is-beginning-to-hit-chinas-economy.html


    Man, I hope we're not going to head into an era of economicly weaponized disease warfare. I don't think this was a foreign government (unless they are idiots) or an escaped pathogen from the Wuhan centre, but I imaigne a lot of countries are watching to see how China handles this.


  • #486
    pc7
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    creditcarder wrote: »
    It's government staff they are getting out and I am on the fence about going to the airport to be in close confines with all those people.

    If you get sick there no help if hospital bursting, elsewhere you might have better service if they can contain it


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  • #487
    Wibbs
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    creditcarder wrote: »
    Interesting article



    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/26/how-coronavirus-is-beginning-to-hit-chinas-economy.html
    It is, but this part jumped out for me: Wang said about 100,000 protective suits are needed a day. A day?? That figure sounds a bit large if the official figures of a few thousand infected and under a 100 dead are true.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #488
    Dante7
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    It is, but this part jumped out for me: Wang said about 100,000 protective suits are needed a day. A day?? That figure sounds a bit large if the official figures of a few thousand infected and under a 100 dead are true.

    The R0 is estimated to be 2.5+ with a long incubation period. That's the problem. This could kill tens of millions.


  • #489
    bmc58
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    Beeping Kitchen Appliances wrote: »
    Every few years we have a terrifying, apocalyptic pandemic. Will always turn out to be nothing (until it turns out to be something)

    Some year it will happen and will wipe out millions of us.Natures way of balancing things.


  • #490
    Wibbs
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    Dante7 wrote: »
    The R0 is estimated to be 2.5+
    Christ that's a high figure if it turns out to be true. :eek:

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #491
    screamer
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    Funny how all these deadly mass wiper outers come from the most populated regions. When people eat things they shouldn’t or shouldn’t need to, this happens. I definitely value knowing where my food originates from and that we have good quality and hygiene standards.
    As for this virus, once it gets here, it’ll take out a few hundred or thousand, it’s too virulent so even though it doesn’t kill as many percentage wise, it’ll infect more and therefore kill more.


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  • #492
    Dante7
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    Christ that's a high figure if it turns out to be true. :eek:

    Initially it was mapped at 3.8, but was downgraded to 2.5. Latest estimate is 2.6.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1220919589623803905?s=19


  • #493
    voldejoie
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    Is there any official information on the onset of symptoms? Watching Channel 4 news at the moment and someone was saying that the sore throat, runny nose and sneezing that is so characteristic of a normal cold or flu aren't strong features of this virus, which might help stop it spreading a little bit, but also that the incubation period could be as high as 10 days :/

    Also found out today that my company is shutting down the Hong Kong office indefinitely. I haven't heard whether there have been any confirmed cases there yet, but definitely a sign that the risk is being taken very seriously.


  • #494
    Quantum Erasure
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    It is, but this part jumped out for me: Wang said about 100,000 protective suits are needed a day.

    I presume these are disposable suits that you'd change when moving from one patient to another, or between wards at least. I don't know how many of those a single nurse would go through?


  • #495
    Graces7
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Leave out the papers then. The Lancet, citing numbers in the tens of thousands per year is authoritative though. So by comparison, this virus still has effectively zero impact so far. Globally. And is in the statistically insignificant category as far as virus outbreak death go.

    So, correct that the impact in Europe is effectively nil. And correct that it is likely so stay that way. The Who and EU countries would already be taking much stronger action if the analysis by the experts suggested need for concern beyond the ordinary.
    Its just a bit of a media story whipped up out of nothing, that reaches a sort of self sustaining momentum. Until people get tired of it, Trump is impeached, or whatever, becomes the new show in town.

    Oh what a lack of humanity your post displays. So many dead and dying, so many sick … NIMBYism at its very shocking and insouciant best .


  • #496
    1641
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    There must be a risk that this virus might cross-breed, or "recombine", with exiting viruses, such as seasonal flu. This would potentially make it even more dangerous.


  • #497
    thecretinhop
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    some very good news, in bejing aids meds seem to be having a postive affect on it, too soon to know but i will take any good news..


  • #498
    Dante7
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    thecretinhop wrote: »
    some very good news, in bejing aids meds seem to be having a postive affect on it, too soon to know but i will take any good news..

    Yep. Reports that HIV treatments are effective. Chi-ching!


  • #499
    Wibbs
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    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    I presume these are disposable suits that you'd change when moving from one patient to another, or between wards at least. I don't know how many of those a single nurse would go through?
    Well they'd change after a shift maybe, not between patients. That would be far too time consuming and cumbersome.
    1641 wrote: »
    There must be a risk that this virus might cross-breed, or "recombine", with exiting viruses, such as seasonal flu. This would potentially make it even more dangerous.
    It can't really crossbreed. Flu and this type of virus are different IIRC. Again IIRC the problem with this particular type is a more rapid mutation rate. That can go either way. It can get more deadly, though that kills off the hosts too quickly, or it can become more mild, spreading further. Though there seems to be all sorts of supposition about it becoming more deadly, the info is pretty thin on the ground so far.
    Graces7 wrote: »
    Oh what a lack of humanity your post displays. So many dead and dying, so many sick … NIMBYism at its very shocking and insouciant best .
    Outside of your usual tiresome homespun crawthumping rhetoric the very idea and implementation of quarantine came about because of what you're calling "NIMBYism" and without it mankind would have been more screwed by contagions than it already has been.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #500
    Snow Garden
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    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    The hysteria in this thread and on social media really is hilarious.

    What puzzles me the most is that people don't learn from it. They'll do the exact same for the next SARS/MERS/Swine/Bird crisis.


  • #501
    Cheerful Spring2
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    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    I was wondering when the mainstream media would start covering the mountains of 'unverified' footage. The unverified footage more accurately represents the type of thing that would cause the CCP to react the way they have i.e. indiscriminately and out of complete desperation with no precedent for how it will turn out.

    People can view the Chinese traffics signs and shops signs on video and can see the region in China. Most of the videos are from Wuhan. Medical staff walking around in their biohazard suits, picking up people, are suffering is not normal! 

    Fact people visited Wuhan and came back to their home states are now showing signs of the virus, for me is clear evidence the pathogen highly contagious. You could be around someone with a cold, but still doesn't mean you get it from them.

    You can't trust China government, as the media organized to stop real disclosure.

     I think 2000 infected plus very low number, if the virus infecting visitors who are coming back home from this province in China. What the chance they all where touched by the people with the virus in same location? It probably everywhere now in Wuhan.

    I would not panic and slump with fear. We need to receive the official numbers and breakdown of ages and health status condition of people who critical condition and have died, to get a true understanding of this virus. I would down downplay a virus that can kill people in days and can be passed on fast.

    Its not "twelve Monkeys" type scenario to lose sleep over though, but who would like a virus? Reasonable for people to be concerned about it getting out and coming to Europe.


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  • #502
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    thecretinhop wrote: »
    some very good news, in bejing aids meds seem to be having a postive affect on it, too soon to know but i will take any good news..
    It may help those with the condition (along with AB for secondary infections), but as far as 'preventative' measures, the timeline might still be months away.

    A newly organized vaccine research group at the US(NIH) will likely be testing the first of a number of potential experimental vaccines against the new SARS-like coronavirus.

    3 months from gene sequence to initial human testing would be the fastest the agency has ever gotten such a vaccine off the ground.


  • #503
    VinLieger
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    Snow Garden wrote: »
    What puzzles me the most is that people don't learn from it. They'll do the exact same for the next SARS/MERS/Swine/Bird crisis.


    Mers has 35% mortality rate fear of it is pretty well justified however it is only transmissible via direct contact so is easy to contain.


    This is airborne in close proximity to anyone infected as far as we know, has an undetectable incubation period of up to 14 days and we don't yet know what the real mortality rate is yet, people are right to be a little bit concerned due to all the unknowns and how easily it can spread.


  • #504
    beejee
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    1641 wrote: »
    There must be a risk that this virus might cross-breed, or "recombine", with exiting viruses, such as seasonal flu. This would potentially make it even more dangerous.

    They are a people that treat animals like filth, putting them in conditions that a sadist would struggle to invent.

    Yes, novel variable zoonotic disease is 100% going to happen. Inevitable.

    China and India are disease incubators, and the dirt they live in is pushing nature beyond its limits. It will bite back with ferocity one of these days. Guaranteed.


  • #505
    Spanish Eyes
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    On a general level the majority will survive a virus like this. Like flu.

    So why the hysteria?

    Is there more to this or what?


  • #506
    NIMAN
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    On a general level the majority will survive a virus like this. Like flu.

    So why the hysteria?

    Is there more to this or what?

    Its the nature of 24hr news and social media I'm afraid.

    Everything is hyped up beyond belief.


  • #507
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Like flu.
    For the (maybe 20th time now), this is not like regular (season) flu, it so far has displayed upto x20 more potency (though still not as bad as SARS/MERS).

    It's Novel (thanks to bats/snake cross-contamination to humans), it isn't fully defined/understood as yet, and may also mutate into a 2nd wave. There is also no vaccine, or immunity, and there won't be a jab available for 3mths minimum. However if you're in tip-top shape, should be fine after a week or so.


  • #508
    AndrewJRenko
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    megatron989 wrote: »
    Saw people wearing masks in bray today (asian) for the first time.
    Hard to blame them.


  • #509
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    Its the nature of 24hr news and social media I'm afraid. Everything is hyped up beyond belief.
    President Xi isn't locking down all his major cities, 'due to something he overheard on Fox news'.


  • #510
    cloudatlas
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    An Irish man in Wuhan.


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  • #511
    NIMAN
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    Is it caught like normal flu?


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