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General Election and Government Formation Megathread (see post #1)

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  • #1172
    Pauliedragon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Pronto63 wrote: »
    I don't seem to have permission to vote!

    Not enough school places.
    Not enough hospital beds.
    Not enough housing stock.

    Yet we want to increase the population by immigration!

    Is immigration not the massive elephant in the room?

    I wouldnt be anti-immigration as such but I would impose a 5 year suspension of all immigration.
    5 years breathing space to sort things out before letting more people in.
    There was people lying on trolleys back when I was I was in primary school and I'm in my 40s. Immigration has nothing to do with it. Red tape has destroyed this country and people who refuse to acknowledge that needs their head examined.


  • #1173
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    ^This
    I will eat my hat if Tubridy does not bring the conversation around to that - sure, the LLS is built on misery so that's a guaranteed line.


    Should not happen in an election period IMO.
    (But then look at VMTV giving free reign to two parties to have a go at an absent one)
    Of course it would be part of the conversation. In particular, as a 7yr old child witnessing her father on all fours in front of her bleeding from the head after having been shot by the IRA - it was formative in bringing Foster into politics.

    How could you possibly have a general interview with Foster where that topic was off the table.


  • #1174
    wmahcm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭wmahcm


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Of course it would be part of the conversation. In particular, as a 7yr old child witnessing her father on all fours in front of her bleeding from the head after having been shot by the IRA - it was formative in bringing Foster into politics.

    How could you possibly have a general interview with Foster where that topic was off the table.

    You can hear slimy Tubbs already " so tell us, how do you not bear any ill will and engage with people who done that to your father and how do you ensure it never happens another 7 year old again" . . que close up


  • #1175
    wmahcm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭wmahcm


    Pauliedragon wrote: »
    There was people lying on trolleys back when I was I was in primary school and I'm in my 40s. Immigration has nothing to do with it. Red tape has destroyed this country

    So why do you think this election is going to change anything ? Keeping the ordinary worker down ensures they are in no position to object to it either.


  • #1176
    Panda Killa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭Panda Killa


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    Sinn Féin have a decent amount here where I live. Think most would vote for them if they'd a realistic chance of getting into government but no party wants to get into bed with them. Pity as the country needs a really different party you try new things in Ireland.

    Apt username is apt


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  • #1177
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Taxation for me and some acknowledgment of the people who get up every day and work.


  • #1178
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Of course it would be part of the conversation. In particular, as a 7yr old child witnessing her father on all fours in front of her bleeding from the head after having been shot by the IRA - it was formative in bringing Foster into politics.

    How could you possibly have a general interview with Foster where that topic was off the table.

    Why is it a problem if the reality of recent history of Sinn Fein policies are discussed as part of an interview with someone who was affected by those policies? Should people who lost their jobs in the crash or people who are currently homeless not be interviewed because it would embarrass FF or FG? Of course not. Why should SF be treated differently? Just because they are not a normal party.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #1179
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,946 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    wmahcm wrote: »
    more rubbish, the media and everyone else only present the two candidates as an option

    Ahh so your moving the goal posts, is it the medias fault if voters didnt like option a or b but also refused to read below the first two options on the ballot? Because that was your argument that they needed a third option which they literally had.


  • #1180
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Why is it a problem if the reality of recent history of Sinn Fein policies are discussed as part of an interview with someone who was affected by those policies? Should people who lost their jobs in the crash or people who are currently homeless not be interviewed because it would embarrass FF or FG? Of course not. Why should SF be treated differently? Just because they are not a normal party.

    I suppose they could have Arlene Foster bring the audience back to her trauma as a 7 year old child witnessing her father bleeding all over the floor with a gun wound to the head and then invite Michelle O'Neill on to provide 'balance'.

    Probably not where SF would like to go 'though.


  • #1181
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,946 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    wmahcm wrote: »
    So why do you think this election is going to change anything ? Keeping the ordinary worker down ensures they are in no position to object to it either.


    If people insist on keeping the retirement age at where it is and the state pension at its current level we will need a hell of a lot more immigration than we already have to keep the worker to retiree ratio at anything close to what is required.


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  • #1182
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    wmahcm wrote: »
    Some people don't slavishly follow a left / right mentality and instead look at each policy on it's own merits regardless of it being so called left or right. I've studied all of the candidates and their manifesto's and I don't want to elect any of them or be responsible for aiding same. It's precisely because I take my vote extremely seriously that I won't be voting for any of the candidates on the current ballot. A proper democratic system would also allow for a "none of the above" option on the ballot, because as it stands on this ballot, I've no choice other than not vote or spoil my vote, and i don't want to submit a spoiled vote. I'm sure quite a few other people who don't vote in some elections feel the same, and not everyone who does not vote is someone who has no interest in voting.
    https://ireland.isidewith.com/political-quiz


  • #1183
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,774 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    meeeeh wrote: »
    It's no secret SF do better with younger, more urban, lower income voters (and I presume border areas). Neither applies to where I live.

    I know quite a few well educated people with good jobs who vote SF. Every party attracts 'lower income voters' - not just Sinn Fein.


  • #1184
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    wmahcm wrote: »
    You can hear slimy Tubbs already " so tell us, how do you not bear any ill will and engage with people who done that to your father and how do you ensure it never happens another 7 year old again" . . que close up
    Dobbo will be doing them. Leo up first.
    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1220784127672307712


  • #1185
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Latest polls have Sinn Fein neck and neck with FG. Is this accurate?


  • #1186
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Phoebas wrote: »
    I suppose they could have Arlene Foster bring the audience back to her trauma as a 7 year old child witnessing her father bleeding all over the floor with a gun wound to the head and then invite Michelle O'Neill on to provide 'balance'.

    Probably not where SF would like to go 'though.

    That wouldn't be balance though, balance would be getting a family member of a murder victim as a result of loyalists/RUC collusion to describe their own experience of events and why Mr Kelly (Fosters father) could have been viewed as a more than legitimate target to the provos.


  • #1187
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    olestoepoke wrote: »
    Latest polls have Sinn Fein neck and neck with FG. Is this accurate?
    No, the same neck and neck that FF are ahead 2%-3% . SF will get lower on election day.


  • #1188
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No, the same neck and neck that FF are ahead 2%-3% . SF will get lower on election day.
    https://extra.ie/2020/01/26/news/politics/fianna-fail-lead-election-poll


  • #1189
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,657 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Well I'm from Derry and live in Donegal, and I'd say big in both.

    Derry obviously, despite taking the defeat in the last General Election.

    Donegal, think they are getting bigger as more younger voters come through.


  • #1190
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No, the same neck and neck that FF are ahead 2%-3% . SF will get lower on election day.

    Not "neck and neck" but definitely not looking good for Leo's gang.


  • #1191
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    olestoepoke wrote: »
    https://extra.ie/2020/01/26/news/politics/fianna-fail-lead-election-poll

    This one is what gets me every time.
    The controversy over the decision to commemorate the Royal Irish Constabulary — and the revelation in this newspaper that the Glasnevin Trust intends to place the names of Black and Tans on a commemorative wall in the national cemetery — damaged Fine Gael significantly in the run up to the General Election announcement.

    The levels of arrogance shown there was astronomical tbh, and hopefully the electorate will let them know exactly what they thought of their now "deferred" plan when they're casting their votes.


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  • #1192
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,382 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    its a complete non issue outside leafy suburbs of inner south dublin. Climate change is important in D4 to people like Hazel Chu . To somebody living outside the M50 it just seems like voting for kicking yourself in the face.

    It's sad people if people really feel this way. Many of the people living outside the M50 probably would be able to live inside the M50 or closer to another urban centre if there had been some proper land use and transport planning put in place. That would mean a shorter commute, less costs of owning/running 1+ cars per household, less childcare costs, more time spent with children, more job options. And yes, less emissions and better air quality.

    And yes, climate change and the impacts of biodiversity loss are already hitting Ireland through more floods, more storms, lower crop yields which leads to higher food prices.

    Along with the housing crisis, this is one of the biggest generational divides between voters.


  • #1193
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    olestoepoke wrote: »
    Not "neck and neck" but definitely not looking good for Leo's gang.
    It's FF v FG as usual, with FF seeming to have the edge. SF will end up in opposition, as usual, as neither will involve them in government.


  • #1194
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,718 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    wmahcm wrote: »
    You were asked are you suggesting what's written on each of them is properly reported ?
    They were properly reported as required by law - counted as spoilt votes. The only person who gets to see/read the exact writing is the vote counter, maybe the tallyperson (for about 1 second) and maybe the returning officer in borderline cases - which is why writing anything is really a total waste of time.


    Are you suggesting different?

    wmahcm wrote: »
    Guess again. Where did I say they were my employer ? And why would they be a poor choice of employer if what you claimed was true ? lol
    You said you were working directly for them. So they were either your employer or you were volunteering as a party member or activist for them. Either way, if you chose people who were "just feathering their own nest", it sounds like you made some poor choices.

    wmahcm wrote: »
    I despise the likes of the Healy Rae's but to pretend the other gobsh1tes in Dublin or elsewhere are any different when you scratch the surface is horseshyte.


    They really are different, in their own world - with all the drink driving justification and claiming that God is going to sort out climate change - attacking Irish Water while taking lucrative contracts off them for plant hire. They're a bit special.


  • #1195
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's FF v FG as usual, with FF seeming to have the edge. SF will end up in opposition, as usual, as neither will involve them in government.

    It wouldn't surprise me to see FF use them in a confidence and supply arrangement.


  • #1196
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,902 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    I live outside the M50 and climate change is an issue for us

    We think daily about our impact on the environment. The amount of rubbish we generate, the amount we drive the cars, where our food comes from.


  • #1197
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    beggars_bush wrote: »
    I live outside the M50 and climate change is an issue for us

    We think daily about our impact on the environment. The amount of rubbish we generate, the amount we drive the cars, where our food comes from.
    But if a canvasser appeared at the door it's likely to be well down the list for discussion.


  • #1198
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,382 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    is_that_so wrote: »
    But if a canvasser appeared at the door it's likely to be well down the list for discussion.

    I am genuinely puzzled by this.

    Care about the health system? Poor air quality costs Ireland E2bn/year and causes 1,600 premature deaths. That's over 10% of our annual healthcare expenditure. How much pressure would it take off our healthcare system to not have to deal with this? Plus the better quality of life from less lung cancer, asthma, etc.

    That's just one example.


  • #1199
    Mancomb Seepgood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 417 ✭✭Mancomb Seepgood


    beggars_bush wrote: »
    I live outside the M50 and climate change is an issue for us

    We think daily about our impact on the environment. The amount of rubbish we generate, the amount we drive the cars, where our food comes from.

    Agreed.It's condescending claptrap to suggest that people outside the M50 don't care about climate change.Farmers are very much affected by the change in weather patterns with increased extreme events and unpredictability.

    Now does that mean that the Greens will have a good election in rural Ireland...probably not this time.They have quite a bit of policy development to do around a new vision for agriculture and rural development...but that's not to say the issues don't matter to people.


  • #1200
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why can I not vote on this?


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  • #1201
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    The Next Irish General Election Twitter a/c has been tweeting useful demographic breakdowns from Red C - among the stats, the rise in support for SF has been higher among women than men, FF support is highest in the rest of Leinster (33%), and the Greens are now polling 7% with farmers:

    https://twitter.com/NextIrishGE


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