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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    BTW : Is the corona virus 'social', or 'fun'?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


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    Yep Grace I think it is reference to the 1917/18 Spanish flu.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

    Thank you and words fail! Talk about inaccurate info!

    She wrote asking why the UK did not go on lockdown and obviously meant THIS century?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,581 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    BTW : Is the corona virus 'social', or 'fun'?
    ? It would not appear to be a laughing matter 2,019 currently:
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    Maybe now's a good time to get back to those cold showers, garlic and fancy herb teas with 'immune booster' on the front box/package.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    May as well just blot china out


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


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    Yep Grace I think it is reference to the 1917/18 Spanish flu.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

    That was the big one but it's still a staggering death rate every year. The Lancet medical journal of 13th December 2017 puts annual worldwide death rates at 291,000 to 649,000.
    The depths in the UK that year were close to the average at 18,000, although 2013/14 saw 34,000 deaths attributed in influenza.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    So with there certainly no impact in Europe at the moment, and unlikely to be any that is more than a fraction of the normal winter virus, what we are really seeing is a news media, and social media, having bored of loss of Brazilian rainforest, Greta Thunberg speaches, and Aussie bush fires, needing a change of show to feed the global hunger to fill news space, have let the Corona virus prominence spiral out of all sensible proportion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,581 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    So with there certainly no impact in Europe at the moment
    Wrong (France), with many other tests underway elsewhere
    and unlikely to be any that is more than a fraction of the normal winter virus,
    Wrong (as has been explained to you numerous times now)
    what we are really seeing is a news media, and social media, having bored of loss of Brazilian rainforest, Greta Thunberg speaches, and Aussie bush fires, needing a change of show to feed the global hunger to fill news space, have let the Corona virus prominence spiral out of all sensible proportion.
    Maybe the imminent shutdown of China is all just a bit of banter? The two new hospitals (containment facilities) inside a week, event closures, and many empty streets are fake news events, something, something, global warming?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭clever user name


    Things are pretty quiet here. Mixture of Chinese new year and the virus means there's not many people out and about. 90% of people wearing masks and people also wearing gloves. As an example, a lot of gated apartment complexes (very common here) are not allowing delivery food drivers to enter. The province I'm in (Shaanxi) has 22 confirmed cases as of today. Small number in relation to the number of people here, but with the supposed incubation period and the ease at which people can (and do) travel to any part of China, numbers will surely rise.

    Truth is, nobody here knows the true scope of how many people are actually infected. If you're to believe the news coming from locals in Wuhan, there's literally thousands of people sick. The number quoted, for Hubei, is just the number that can fit in the hospitals. Tales of sick people being sent home with a bunch of medication. Hell, there's dead bodies lying covered in hospital corridors, apparently (although there is one video of that). Again, none of this verified, though that is difficult thing to do in China in general. Anyways, a lot of scaremongering going on via WeChat. How true or valid it is, nobody knows. I will note that it's somewhat worrying when the 'President' of a country that is renowned for covering things up has publicly come out and said that the situation is 'grave'.

    In the meantime, I'll be hibernating in my apartment eating and watching crap :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7



    The source I quoted said 155 ie the Guardian.. The one you quote says flu contributed to? Not caused.

    As the old saying goes, Lies. lies, damned lies and statistics

    Each paper has their own agenda.

    End of for me.


  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In the meantime, I'll be hibernating in my apartment eating and watching crap :D

    Out of curiosity, where in Shaanxi are you?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Graces7 wrote: »
    The source I quoted said 155 ie the Guardian.. The one you quote says flu contributed to? Not caused.

    As the old saying goes, Lies. lies, damned lies and statistics

    Each paper has their own agenda.

    End of for me.

    Leave out the papers then. The Lancet, citing numbers in the tens of thousands per year is authoritative though. So by comparison, this virus still has effectively zero impact so far. Globally. And is in the statistically insignificant category as far as virus outbreak death go.

    So, correct that the impact in Europe is effectively nil. And correct that it is likely so stay that way. The Who and EU countries would already be taking much stronger action if the analysis by the experts suggested need for concern beyond the ordinary.
    Its just a bit of a media story whipped up out of nothing, that reaches a sort of self sustaining momentum. Until people get tired of it, Trump is impeached, or whatever, becomes the new show in town.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    So 10 million people are currently sitting peacefully in their homes, and the rate of new cases (which by all accounts is criminally underestimated) is doubling every day (reported another 1000 is expected in wuhan today). You can argue that there is hysterics on social media to a point, but when you patch it all together things do not bode well for the population of Wuhan. 'Grave' indeed. I wonder what the CCP will do when the people learn what the higher ups have seemingly realised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    So 10 million people are currently sitting peacefully in their homes, and the rate of new cases (which by all accounts is criminally underestimated) is doubling every day (reported another 1000 is expected in wuhan today). You can argue that there is hysterics on social media to a point, but when you patch it all together things do not bode well for the population of Wuhan. 'Grave' indeed. I wonder what the CCP will do when the people learn what the higher ups have seemingly realised.

    indeed. Chinese culture is a lot about face. by far the most worrying thing for me so far is pm saying its grave. dese guys dont lose face doing that willingly...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭clever user name


    Out of curiosity, where in Shaanxi are you?

    I'm in Xi'an.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    indeed. Chinese culture is a lot about face. by far the most worrying thing for me so far is pm saying its grave. dese guys dont lose face doing that willingly...

    Same here, I was not really taking it seriously until I saw that quote.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Beijing is so quite right now. Went out for some food and almost nobody around. It would be quite during the New Year anyway but this is obviously more than usual. I've ordered some stuff as a precaution, canned foods etc just in case things get out of hand. Stopping all intercity travel is a big move but probably the right one. Company I work for said things are closed indefinitely but will h have to do some work from home I think.

    Lucky I stayed in Beijing, I had planned a trip to Shanghai but cancelled last minute, lucky now or I'd be stuck there for god knows how long. Things are really being blown out of proportion most people I talk to are cautious but not really afraid, Worst situations to be in than in your house with plenty of nice food and stuff to watch.


  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm in Xi'an.

    Me too :D (back home for a holiday) Good to know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭scamalert


    ? It would not appear to be a laughing matter 2,019 currently:
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    Maybe now's a good time to get back to those cold showers, garlic and fancy herb teas with 'immune booster' on the front box/package.
    what does that work out to 14million people in single city for 2000 that are infected ?


    seems false scare to be fair, as its well treatable if noticed on time, and even here in Ireland someone suspected got tests done within hours span.


    as while i get dangers that it can be transferred from person to person, but given its been out and known since last year, those numbers are still drop in the ocean.


    But at the same time i dont mind the caution taken by most countries to screen people and put out warnings. at least it shows that if anything many are well aware and have contingencies in place to deal with it.


    as dont buy into whole conspiracy ****e, since its not being covered up, and even Chinese themselves are implementing quarantines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭clever user name


    Me too :D (back home for a holiday) Good to know.

    Nice :D I was back home at Christmas. Enjoy it, better than being stuck here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    scamalert wrote: »
    what does that work out to 14million people in single city for 2000 that are infected ?


    seems false scare to be fair, as its well treatable if noticed on time, and even here in Ireland someone suspected got tests done within hours span.


    as while i get dangers that it can be transferred from person to person, but given its been out and known since last year, those numbers are still drop in the ocean.


    But at the same time i dont mind the caution taken by most countries to screen people and put out warnings. at least it shows that if anything many are well aware and have contingencies in place to deal with it.


    as dont buy into whole conspiracy ****e, since its not being covered up, and even Chinese themselves are implementing quarantines.

    the problem right now is the 14 day incubation period, and people being sick and not showing symptoms. things will either get far worse or better in the next few weeks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,647 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    My brother in law and his family are in Shanghai for the last 10 days, visiting local family there.

    He says there is a fairly rational and pragmatic attitude in that City just now, but that if the authorities there begin to tighten up on movement and reduce information flow then he will get on a plane and come home.

    I've told him that he is naive to wait for that day to come, because it could be that it is no longer his choice to leave by then and that he should book a flight out asap. Am I overdoing it with that advice?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    So 10 million people are currently sitting peacefully in their homes, and the rate of new cases (which by all accounts is criminally underestimated) is doubling every day (reported another 1000 is expected in wuhan today). You can argue that there is hysterics on social media to a point, but when you patch it all together things do not bode well for the population of Wuhan. 'Grave' indeed. I wonder what the CCP will do when the people learn what the higher ups have seemingly realised.


    Because of the Mandate of Heaven I have a feeling that Xi is done for and another 'party' in the communist party will take over quietly.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Larbre34 wrote: »

    I've told him that he is naive to wait for that day to come, because it could be that it is no longer his choice to leave by then and that he should book a flight out asap. Am I overdoing it with that advice?

    I’d be getting out while he can, the fact US/UK are getting their staff out of certain regions he should go while he can. If it all turns out to be nothing he can visit again later in year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    scamalert wrote: »
    seems false scare to be fair, as its well treatable if noticed on time, and even here in Ireland someone suspected got tests done within hours span.


    False scare! Treatable if noticed in time! Are you for real.

    Despite the 14 days statement, the incubation period is actually unknown. As of a few hours ago, the Chinese Health Minister has stated that the virus can be spread before people even show symptoms. And its been out there since last month when large numbers of pneumonia cases were first reported. Can the Chinese contain it ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭clever user name


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    My brother in law and his family are in Shanghai for the last 10 days, visiting local family there.

    He says there is a fairly rational and pragmatic attitude in that City just now, but that if the authorities there begin to tighten up on movement and reduce information flow then he will get on a plane and come home.

    I've told him that he is naive to wait for that day to come, because it could be that it is no longer his choice to leave by then and that he should book a flight out asap. Am I overdoing it with that advice?

    If my parents/friends were visiting, I'd tell them not to come. In saying that, I've no plans on leaving myself, and (at the moment) don't really feel worried at all. I have 3 friends who are visiting Shanghai, as it's a holiday. While I don't know anyone that is leaving, at the same time I wouldn't disagree with anyone wanting to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭megatron989


    Saw people wearing masks in bray today (asian) for the first time. Probably just habit for them when this kind of thing is happening. Sensible precaution that doesn't cost anything or effect anyone in any way. Because if this blows up, if, then the day we confirm the first cases here it will be two late for most to avoid it, as you'll already have been exposed.
    Sky news had footage of a doctor in a hospital screaming in panic, pretty full on. Corridors totally packed, patients everywhere. Reminded me of vincent's on a weekend.
    Ignoring the alarmist news media machine for a second, if this is a glimpse behind the chinese fire wall then we may be looking at some serious sh1t. To assume everything will definitely be grand is grossly stupid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Sky news had footage of a doctor in a hospital screaming in panic, pretty full on. Corridors totally packed, patients everywhere. Reminded me of vincent's on a weekend.
    Ignoring the alarmist news media machine for a second, if this is a glimpse behind the chinese fire wall then we may be looking at some serious sh1t. To assume everything will definitely be grand is grossly stupid.

    I was wondering when the mainstream media would start covering the mountains of 'unverified' footage. The unverified footage more accurately represents the type of thing that would cause the CCP to react the way they have i.e. indiscriminately and out of complete desperation with no precedent for how it will turn out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    A 62 year old Chinese surgeon has died from the Coronavirus
    https://www.insider.com/doctor-wuhan-china-died-after-treating-coronavirus-patients-2020-1
    Really sad that while most people are actively trying to avoid this new and scary disease medical staff have to face it all day every day. RIP


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭creditcarder


    pc7 wrote: »
    I’d be getting out while he can, the fact US/UK are getting their staff out of certain regions he should go while he can. If it all turns out to be nothing he can visit again later in year


    It's government staff they are getting out and I am on the fence about going to the airport to be in close confines with all those people.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭scamalert


    STB. wrote: »
    False scare! Treatable if noticed in time! Are you for real.

    Despite the 14 days statement, the incubation period is actually unknown. As of a few hours ago, the Chinese Health Minister has stated that the virus can be spread before people even show symptoms. And its been out there since last month when large numbers of pneumonia cases were first reported. Can the Chinese contain it ?


    thats why i said i try to ignore loonie bins and tea leaf readers, theres over half a mill people dying of flu each year dont see that mentioned and plastered on the news each day, for something that can be easily managed.


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